Received Another Email From Hillary, Two Now-Never Before

[bkkyosemite]

I received another email today from Hillary Clinton. She says:

"Thank you for being a part of this campaign. I'm thrilled to have you on my team, especially at such a critical time."

I have never gotten anything from her before this last week. This is the second one. I am firmly a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Someone on FB suggested that I send (or fwd with headers or properties) to
info @ berniesanders.com.

This person said anyone who all of a sudden is getting these emails if they are Bernie supporters and never gotten anything from HRC before should do the same.

I did notice others on here mentioned they were now getting them recently who are Bernie supporters. I think it strange that this is happening. So I'm passing this along.

[itsrobert]

1. Okay

thanks

[CoffeeCat]

2. Are you in a state that is voting soon?

I am in a state that is voting very soon, and we tend to get calls, visits from canvassers from both parties and from both Democratic candidates.

I believe some call lists are generated by who you voted for in the last election. I caucused for Obama in 08, so I'll be called by both the Sanders and Hillary campaigns, most likely.

Email may be a different situation though. That's strange. Phone numbers/addresses are available on voter lists, but I don't recall seeing email addresses.

[bkkyosemite]

4. I'm in Oregon

[artislife]

3. I got one or two in 2008

But I put her in my spam folder.


But I wonder. I never sent money to the DNC, I never have nor will, to be honest.

This is why a full audit from day one will be interesting.

[bkkyosemite]

5. I have never sent money to DNC either. To Obama but not DNC

Now only Bernie monthly through his website. What bothers me is the timing.

[artislife]

8. Only to Obama as well. nt

[pnwmom]

18. Obama gave his his contact info to the DNC. And the closer we get to the

primaries, the more they'll be spending on GOTV.

Mystery solved.

[Paka]

44. I did give to Obama and several down ticket races in 2012.

Fortunately I have a new email address since that election and only Bernie has it. I donate by check, so my data can't be out there. I don't check that old email, so who knows what I receive there.

[pnwmom]

46. As I understand it, if Bernie has it, he gave it to the DNC. They all share basic info,

so that we can also elect Dems to the House, the Senate, and to State offices.

[Paka]

53. Before I left to return to Thailand,

...I called the Bernie campaign and they assured me they would sequester my information and not put it on the data base. That is why I pay by personal check and do not enter my information anywhere on line. HRC only has old information on me at an email address that is defunct. I will support progressive Dems wherever they are running. I do not support DINOs. Hillary is a DINO.

Edit to add: I am not getting new emails from Hillary and most likely it is due to the email change and Bernie is good for his word and not putting my information on the database.

[emsimon33]

7. I agree.

[justabob]

6. Same here

I got the same as you. I have no previous contact with anything related to Hillary, or the DNC, or any other groups. It really rubbed me the wrong way. For what it is worth, I replied to the second one and told them I had no idea how they got my email, but I have zero interest in being on the team or donating anything, and to please take me off their list. I doubt they will read it, but I did it anyway.

[mgmaggiemg]

13. did you vote for obama preveiously?

Cheers, Maggie

[pnwmom]

19. You have never registered as a Dem or voted in a primary as a Dem or

given money to any Dem in your life?

Hard to believe.

Are you sure you are a Dem?

[Binkie The Clown]

9. Funny how after H accuses Bernie of hacking her lists, Bernie's supporters and getting email from H.

Just a coincidence, of course. But an odd coincidence, just the same.

[sabrina 1]

14. That's why there has to be an investigation, and I think that's why Sanders won't drop the

lawsuit and why DWS caved so quickly when the suit was filed. He knows an investigation will not happen as it should, the only way to get the facts is through the discovery phase of a lawsuit.

[pnwmom]

23. You know better, sabrina 1. You know perfectly well that all 3 candidates

share the same database with the same contact info, including emails.

It says this in Bernie's lawsuit!

So why are you pretending otherwise?

[sabrina 1]

29. I don't know what you mean. I know that Sanders warned the DNC about a security breach

months ago. Why didn't the DNC go public then? Why didn't they FIX IT? Sanders fired his staffers who looked at the info. How do we know if Hillary's staffers looked at the info months ago? We need to know this.

I know NOTHING other than the fact that DWS VIOLATED the contract the DNC has with the campaigns when she went public with the info rather than do what the contract required, wait ten days to investigate the issue. Not to mention she WRONGFULLY tried to derail Sanders' campaign by denying it the right to their data. On that alone, Bernie will win this lawsuit.

In fact there were reports that the DNC wants to settle the case. No, Bernie should NOT settle, the case should go forward. Not just because of Sanders, but because clearly someone is hiding or trying to hide something. And we the people are sick to death of these dirty tricks which are destroying our political process.

DWS does not want an investigation. By caving as fast as she did, though she hoped the damage was done, shows they are hiding something. They should not have assumed that Bernie would cave. I am sure he is furious at what she tried to do. He should be.

He is an honest man and would NEVER and NEVER HAS done what DWS tried to imply.

Sick to death of this crooked system and people like her who are destroying our party yet for whatever reason, she remains in that position.

[pnwmom]

31. They did fix the vulnerability that occurred months ago.

But last week they had to update the software and at that time introduced a "patch" that contained a coding error -- which resulted in a NEW vulnerability.

Uretsky left a trail in the database logs showing that he had viewed and saved and exported proprietary HRC data. No similar evidence has been found showing that the Clinton campaign did that months ago. Weaver just is suspicious and so he wants everyone else to be suspicious, too.

But he is the same person who lied and said the interloper was a "low level staffer" and "young people with passion" -- not his National Data Director. And he also said none of Hillary's data was taken, which has been proven wrong by the database logs.

So there's no reason to take anything Weaver says about this seriously.

OTOH, I think Bernie's been forthright about all of this and I trust his judgment, and how he's been handling this so far.

I do wonder why he didn't hear about the problems till 24 hours after his campaign was notified -- why no one told him anything till Debbie called and told him. That's not a good sign.

[sabrina 1]

38. The lawsuit will reveal whatever needs to be revealed. You don't know what happened and neither do I

I want FACTS, not what someone with an agenda has to say. I know that Bernie's campaign has stated they have facts and are ready to reveal them. Most likely during the process of the lawsuit. I believe NOTHING that comes from DWS or her cronies.

[pnwmom]

20. NONSENSE. All 3 candidates share the SAME DATABASE with EMAILS.

And the closer we get to the primaries, the more you'll hear from Hillary and Bernie (perhaps less so from MOM because I understand he may be short of funds.)

[BeanMusical]

27. Problem with the Caps Lock key?

[pnwmom]

28. Nope. I have a problem with seeing the same claim repeated endlessly.

Why do people who know better keep spreading this garbage?

[madokie]

32. For starters

many of us don't and I mean Don't buy your bs

Hillary will never be the President, simple as that. Bernie on the other hand will be, hide and watch

[pnwmom]

34. It's not B.S. It's fact that you can find in Bernie's lawsuit. All 3 candidates

rent the same massive database containing the same contact info for the same voters.

[madokie]

39. I give regularly to Bernie

I sign online petitions and such and have since going online way back when and yet I haven't even had a whiff of anyone else in my inbox.


Have a wonderful day any way


I didn't say that particular reply was bs

[pnwmom]

40. I've been hearing from both Bernie and Hillary but not O"Malley.

I suspect it's because of O'Malley's lack of funds.

[sabrina 1]

41. DWS violated the contract the DNC has with the campaigns. Simple as that. She should be fired, why

wasnt she? Doesn't say much for the DNC.

Bernie otoh, fired those who violated HIS campaign's standards. Making him the better, more responsible person than the DNC.

Until she is fire, nothing coming from the DNC is credible. And they will lose the lawsuit thanks to her, just as she lost us the House and Senate, supporting Repubs over Dems to help along the way.

[bkkyosemite]

59. Why would she be welcoming me to her team.

There is nothing that I have said or put on anything online that would indicate that I wish or am on Hillary's team.

[pnwmom]

61. Just hopeful, I guess. I get tons of hopeful junk mail all the time, don't you?

[BeanMusical]

63. "Why do people who know better keep spreading this garbage?"

You're right, Hillary fans should stop spreading garbage.

[eridani]

54. This is not at all the way campaign data is handled in WA State

The state party allows access to people who campaign as Democrats with the condition that data they collect has to be shared with the whole party--EXCEPT FOR emails. Party and issue ID info, bad addresses and phone numbers, yes.

Data that you get from the state elections department gives names, birth dates, voting frequency and voting addresses, but not emails or phones, even though some registrants voluntarily offer one or both. People who join local party organizations have shared emails if they choose to share it. The party buys phone lists from companies who specialize in that sort of thing. Our party uses pretty good vendors, but not all campaigns do. The 2014 transportation initiative in King County used a much worse phone number provider with the result that home phonebanking for them was totally useless.

Sharing information benefits all Dems, but policy on what can and cannot be shared is pretty tricky.

[pnwmom]

56. According to Bernie's lawsuit, it's the way it works with the Presidential campaign data.

Bernie's lawsuit specifically names emails as being included in the DNC database.

The DNC keeps and maintains a huge database of contact info, including emails, and rents out the database to all three candidates.

Then each of the candidates uses the contact info to follow up with the named voters, and develops their own proprietary information.

[Paka]

45. +1

Odd coincidence indeed!

[Hekate]

10. At the beginning of this year I had 100 per day of Democratic/Liberal/Progressive emails

How did that happen, you ask? Well, every single donation I made, every single letter I wrote, every single petition I signed, my name and email address went into a database which then was shared around the Leftish political world. Pro-choice. Endangered wildlife. Political campaigns. Starving children. You name it, I support it.

Big effing deal. It is not personal. EVERYBODY SELLS AND/OR OTHERWISE SHARES THIS INFORMATION.

It was getting to be too much stuff in my in-box -- no matter how worthy the cause, they all nag and spam after awhile.

So I UNSUBSCRIBED. It's really very easy. Go to the bottom of the page of your email and look for the link. Click it. Some ask for your reason -- in my case I told them I loved them but they were spamming me. In your case, I'm sure you can think of a few choice words for the poor staffers trying to keep up with it all. It took awhile for everything to settle down -- in fact, all the unsubscribe programs told me it might take awhile -- but every time I got another email I clicked unsubscribe anyway, and in a couple of weeks everything was all better.

Then I got a Yahoo email address and used that one for my online political stuff. Right now there's several hundred vital messages just waiting for me to open up the program and delete 99.9% of them. At least they are not cluttering up my regular account where I hope to find a letter from my sister.

IT IS NOT PERSONAL. YOU ARE NOT BEING SINGLED OUT AND PERSECUTED. IT'S JUST HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.

[pnwmom]

21. Thank you for taking the time to explain, Hekate. I really wonder about how

so-called Dems could be so misinformed.

[Hekate]

57. You're welcome. I really wonder...

...why so-called Dems could cling so hard to their paranoia.

How on Earth could anyone walk through this life claiming to be a Lefty/Progressive/Liberal/Democrat/Socialist and leave no electronic trace? They signed no petitions from Move-On? Never wrote a protest letter via a website?

[bkkyosemite]

60. She said to me welcome to her team.

I have received these emails only after this software issue. I am not accusing anyone but it does seem strange. Bernie in the last debate said to HRC that he wants an investigation and he wants to know if any of her campaign took any of his information. The timing is odd. Never heard from her before this last two weeks.

[Hekate]

62. I'm deeply sorry for your paranoia, but this is a FORM LETTER

I hope you are easier in your mind now that it has all has been explained. Merry something and happy new year.

[bkkyosemite]

64. This has happened to many Bernie supporters at the most

unusual timing....not paranoid at all. Happy New Year.....may the denial Gods leave you be.
There needs to be a full investigation and the DNC is hedging.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. So far, I've not been graced with an email from Hillary and had to designate it as "junk".

[daleanime]

12. None from Hillary......yet.

But the DNC has discovered me after having failed to notice my existence until now.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. No email but we did get snail mail.

[fbc]

16. Vote in the DFA poll?

[pnwmom]

17. This isn't strange or any mystery. ALL 3 candidates have access to the SAME database

including contact info -- with emails -- for all known Dems and Dem leaners and members of other progressive groups. (environmental, unions, etc.)

More and more, people will be getting contacted by all of the campaigns -- unless someone leaves the race or runs short of money.

Every time I look at my FB feed, there's Bernie -- in ADS, not posts from friends. But it hasn't made me worry that there's some conspiracy to find me. Someone is just paying to put these ads into FB, just like stores pay for ads.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. Nope.

100% incorrect. Each candidate has access to their OWN voter database. This entire Debbie-manufactured brouhaha was about the Bernie staff being able to see Hillary's voter database. The vendor can't seem to explain why this keeps happening (happened in 2008 as well) and Debbie doesn't seem to be interested in finding out why it keeps happening.

[pnwmom]

24. Try reading the lawsuit. You'll learn something. What Bernie was prevented from seeing was BOTH

the basic database rented to all 3 campaigns that includes all known contact info for every Dem or possible Dem -- PLUS the special, proprietary Sanders campaign data that his campaign had gathered after contacting these people.

The proprietary info gathered by HRC's people was what Uretsky improperly delved into. Information Hillary's people had gathered on their own, such as age, likelihood of voting, etc.

So do you understand yet?

The lawsuit explains it. There was a massive database put together and maintained by the DNC and rented to all three candidates equally.

THEN: each candidate had its own EXTRA, "proprietary" info that they gathered themselves, but was also STORED with the DNC. It was supposed to be kept separate and inaccessible from the shared data, but unfortunately the firewall temporarily slipped last week, and people from Berie's campaign sneaked in and gathered some HRC proprietary data into their own files.

P.S. They know what happened. They were making a change to the software and there was a coding error.

[Betty Karlson]

30. Le Taz Hot went over the line, but you didn't do too well either.

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster asks for a hide and deserves it. After telling the previous poster that she was 100% wrong, and learning that he was actually incorrect, this poster replies with a sexual insult. Please end the misogyny on DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:59 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personal attack - and crude and sexist at that.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: THIS IS HATEFUL, SEXIST. i would ban them from DU for posting such a hateful, vile post.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is not misogyny. Nor sexist. It's just rude. Let's please maintain some civility. That being said, the reaction by pnwmom was incindiary and condescending - she shouldn't make her argument in such a baiting way. Both are at fault here.

Emphasis mine.

[pnwmom]

33. Le Taz had just announced that I was 100% incorrect, when Le Taz

was the one who was misinformed. So I explained it at length. I didn't hurl nasty insults.

[Betty Karlson]

35. No, you hurled nasty condescension. Which is incendiary. eom

[pnwmom]

36. So explaining the truth is condescending? I guess it is if you can't stand the truth.

What is the best way to respond when someone falsely says that you are "100% wrong"?

[Betty Karlson]

42. "You may learn something" is not it.

How about:

Here are the reasons why I believe such-and-such argument. (The I-message keeps things close to yourself, avoid the accusatory YOU)

After seeing this material, maybe you will agree that ... (This appeals to the other's ability to process new information, while maintaining respect for any lingering dissenting opinion)

I agree with you that there is a lot of misinformation around. The mutual hostility between the two campaigns (and the DNC?) is a blight on the party, and does nothing to clear the conversation. But if we are to clear the conversation, let us try to agree on the following matters. (Create common ground, then use the we-meassage to encourage the other to move to that common ground, provide opportunity to express frustration in a way that doesn't involve the issue in dispute.)

[pnwmom]

47. Le Taz had just read a post of mine containing the same information,

set out in a clear way. And Le Taz said I was 100% wrong.

So I suggested Le Taz could learn something from reading Bernie's lawsuit.

So sue me.

[sabrina 1]

43. If that is the case, then why the fuss over anyone looking at it? You are wrong, sorry. Each

candidate has their own data base.

[pnwmom]

48. No, read Bernie's lawsuit. Each candidate rents the same massive DNC database,

with full contact info; and THEN collects their own separate proprietary data associated with the names on the DNC's database.

The fuss wasn't looking at the basic database of contact info accessed by all 3 campaigns; it was that Uretsky was going through the separate proprietary data that belonged to Hillary's campaign.

[sabrina 1]

49. Okay, and he deserved to be fired for that. Good on Bernie. Now why was DWS not fired for

violating the contract the DNC has with the campaigns? And how do WE know who looked at Bernie's data back when the campaign reported the breach months ago, and NOW when Schultz denied Bernie's campaign illegally, access to their own data? THIS is why we need an investigation and since the DNC won't do it, the lawsuit is the way we will learn what is really going on with this.

Also the company, friends of Hillary, responsible for these egregious security breaches should be fired. Why have they not, clearly they are incapable of doing this most important job, yes, they are Friends of Hillary, but isn't that called 'cronyism' and frowned on generally?

[pnwmom]

50. According to a statement that one of Bernie's supporters has posted here numerous times,

the vendor says on its website that the vendor wasn't involved in whatever happened in October.

I don't know anything more than that, but it's curious.

[sabrina 1]

51. Well, that's why the lawsuit needs to go forward, so we're not all just guessing according to

whatever biases we may hold. This is about more than one campaign or the other, it is about a system that has been corrupted by money and those seeking power.

I applaud Bernie for reporting the original breach, and for taking responsibility for HIS staffer, even though he would never have approved of such a thing, but why has the DNC taken NO action against DWS for violation of a contract OR against the clearly incompetent, we assume, vendor? That shows a lack of integrity, such as Bernie has shown in the opinion even of people not necessarily supportive of Sanders.

[pnwmom]

52. I trust Bernie to do the right thing. So we'll see what happens. n/t

[Dem2]

69. You don't understand

How the email database is different then the critical analysis data that was accidentally shared.

[Dem2]

68. This is definitely true based on the email that I receive from Hillary and Bernie

Anybody who is here who is trying to deny this doesn't have any idea what they're talking about.

[silvershadow]

25. So they poached the other campaigns' lists? Sounds about right. Investigate. nt

[pnwmom]

37. No evidence at all. All 3 candidates share the same voter lists,

which they have all rented from the DNC. This database includes full contact info from every Dem and possible Dem and ally, gathered over many years.

To this basic database each campaign gathers its own EXTRA, proprietary data.

But it is no mystery why people are hearing from multiple campaigns. Three campaigns are sharing the same basic database (and so are candidates for lower offices).

[hobbit709]

55. Any time I get anything from the Clinton people, I mark it as SPAM.

[NCTraveler]

58. Amazingly thorough campaign she is running.

No stone unturned. I expect nothing less.

[artislife]

65. I will be happy to throw that stone back.

Just got back on her list somehow today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128090883

Tell me they didn't take info from the breach in the firewall.

[NCTraveler]

66. Sorry, I don't do conspiracies. Thanks.

But the word is that Sanders is selling his email lists.

[artislife]

70. Cute...nt

[Dem2]

67. Well I support both candidates but I have been getting a lot of email from Bernie lately

And I haven't yet supported either candidate (donation) to date. Doesn't bother me since I am, after all, a Democrat.