Hillary's support among Hispanics may vanish as they know her

[daybranch]

You can fool some of the people sometimes but this indicates the Hispanics are not buying Hillary and may be getting a little angry at her lukewarm response to immigration problems etc.. Look for yourselves. https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/NotMyAbuela?src=hash.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Mm hmm.

Okay.

Thanks for the, uh - "info".

[Betty Karlson]

2. Her entire advantage with Hispanics was name recognition.

Sanders is evening that one out as we speak. And he has the policy advantage (minimum wage, immigration reform, police reform, you name it).

[BainsBane]

3. He has voted against immigration reform

On three occasions

Voted for the Minutemen and the Wall (voted against the "border fence" on some occasions and voted for it on others).
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.Vnp28BUrLWI

There is no conceivable way that he has a policy advantage over Clinton on immigration/Latino issues, even accounting for the ridiculous grandma messaging.

Too many people here pronounce voters of color as uninformed, when there is no evidence supporting the claim. Your own comments suggest you may not be as uninformed as you think you are.

As for the OP: the thing about Clinton is everyone already knows about her. The claim that as they know her they will support her less doesn't hold up. She has gained support following every single debate.

[dorkzilla]

9. If you REALLY want to throw that around then please look at WHY he voted that way

Come on guys, he actually *may* end up being the nominee, and you’ll want to know where he stands and WHY instead of tarring him with some anti-immigrant fallacy;

He voted no once because the Southern Poverty Law Center was concerned about how the bill was written, effectively making guest workers “semi-slaves";

He voted no on comprehensive immigration reform again because of how poorly written the bill was and wanted to go back the drawing board and re-write it; and

He voted no on the Minute Man bill because it provided funds to inform the Mexican government where the various groups were located. He actually voted NO on the border fence.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify. This wasn’t mean to inflame but to inform.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm

[Paka]

18. Thank you for that correction.

He's a mensch!

[Karma13612]

20. gotta love him!! eom

[BainsBane]

19. I linked to the voting record

Which you chose not to read in favor of a summary. The list shows his votes on every immigration-related bill. http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.Vnp28BUrLWI It shows that he voted against the fence on some occasions and for it on others. He has voted against multiple immigration reform bills. He has blamed Mexican immigration for youth unemployment. I'm sure all of the Republicans who voted with Sanders on those bills had their reasons too. Everyone does. I also know that his supporters justify any and everything because the singular goal is advancing Bernie's political prospects. The subject of this OP, however, is not how the die-hard Sanders supporters justify his votes but the claim that the "uninformed" Latinos will flock to him once they get over their ignorance of relying on "name recognition" that the other poster insisted prompted them to support Clinton. There is no question that Clinton has a far more liberal/progressive record on immigration. She is in keeping with the Democratic Party on that issue whereas Sanders too often votes with the GOP, which is why some of the right-wing press has praised his position on immigration. Now, I understand those votes are not a concern to his supporters, but Latinos have every right to vote in their own interests, and they are not "uninformed" because they don't vote as people here demand they should.

Sanders is currently down 30 points in the polls. Clinton has gained on him over the past couple of months, most notably after every debate. If he defies the bookmakers and pulls out a stunning upset, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. What I will never do, however, is justify his bad votes, anymore than I justify Clinton's bad votes. I will not forsake my intellectual integrity for a politician, of all things. After this election is over, I have to live with myself, and justifying votes for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the Minutemen, or against gun control is not something I can live with. I cast a vote based on the available choices, but that does not require justifying what I know to be wrong.

[pnwmom]

4. Why were Latinos so much less likely to be informed, in your opinion?

How come name recognition is only a problem for Latinos and African Americans?

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Nailed it! eom

[Betty Karlson]

6. Simple: Vermont is a state where both minorities are underrepresented among the people.

But I resent the notion that (your words) "name recognition is only a problem for Latinos and African-Americans".

It may be a larger problem among those constituencies, but they are certainly not alone in having limited access to Sanders's ideas.

And DWS's debating schedule didn't do much to improve on that disadvantage.

[pnwmom]

8. That doesn't explain why "name recognition" appears to be special problem

for Latino and AA voters, not white people.

Bernie has many white supporters from outside his tiny state. Why has he had so much more trouble getting Latino and AA supporters?

Maybe Latino's haven't been thrilled with his voting for the bill protecting the Minutemen's activities "patrolling" the border.

And Latinos and AA are both, as a group, much more in favor of gun control than white people. Maybe they don't like Bernie's stands on gun control.

[Betty Karlson]

16. I would refer you to those polls you are so fond of:

Sanders has fewer name recognition among Latino and PoC voters than Clinton, and his popularity with those constituencies increases commensurately with his name recognition.

We can speculate why and when and where, but the contemporaneity sticks out with a strong hint of causality.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. You know why ...

Latinos and African Americans are low information voters, easily duped ... That is the thinking, even as the Latino and African American public track closely to the support of those Latinos and African Americans that NO ONE can argue are uninformed, i.e., those participating on political board discussions.

[leftofcool]

11. Really? Latinos only care about voting for those with name recognition?

Wow!

[Betty Karlson]

17. No, I said Sanders was unknown to them, before saying what policies of his Latinos are in favor of

Your attempt to twist my words into something I didn't say, is really unworthy of you.

[NCTraveler]

7. When I mention...

Sanders voting against a pathway to citizenship multiple times while Clinton voted in support to my tenants they tell me they hadn't even thought about Sanders. It's Clinton they know and want. I'll buy what I hear in this heavily Hispanic area and what the polls tell me.

Seems the more we talk about her the more they like her. Just the opposite for Sanders.

[Scuba]

10. Best tweet on this topic ...

Maybe try discussing our issues, not pandering and patronizing, in order to get our votes. #NotMyAbuela
- Glas Canon

[bigwillq]

13. ....

[BlueMTexpat]

12. Really?

From Nov 2015:


And here's the article to go with the poll: http://www.laopinion.com/2015/11/09/latino-voters-in-battleground-states-favor-hillary-clinton-deeply-dislike-donald-trump/

From the article:

Democrat Hillary Clinton is the leader of the pack, with a 61% favorable rating and 27% negative image.

Clinton’s popularity holds steady among Latino men and women, but it is slightly higher among Latinas, 68% of whom have a favorable view of her compared with 54% for men.

“Hillary Clinton is far and away the most favored candidate by a large margin” said Sylvia Manzano, a political scientist and a principal of Latino Decisions. “She is the only candidate who tops 50%.”

[Chan790]

14. That was prior to "Abuela Clinton."

As much as anybody's, my experiences in result of this are anecdotal and personal...but she lost a lot of support in the past 24 hours among my Latino and Spanish speaking friends. Cultural-appropriation and patronizing are hardly going to win you votes with anybody...but when you bring the grandma into it...this was a mistake.

You don't run on the subject of many people's most-cherished memories lightly.