2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe two simple things Bernie & supporters in Iowa and NH can do to beat HRC next month
HRC has been undeservedly acclaimed as being "strong on national security", when, in fact, she is most certainly not. And she has been as clear as mud on just about every issue you can think of. Therefore, make the following into mantras (simplified, of course, for TV spots and on billboards, etc.). Repeat, repeat, repeat -- until these messages can't possibly be forgotten in the minds of primary voters.
1) "Secretary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State and, before that, as Senator from New York State, has inadvertently made the United States less safe, not more safe, from radical Islamic terrorism. Her ferocious push over several years to depose those few elements of law and order left standing in the Middle East -- Saddam, Assad, Qaddafi -- brutal though those dictators are and were -- unwittingly opened up a chaotic, uncontrollable power vacuum in that region of the world -- a power vacuum enthusiastically filled by self-made armies of murderous miscreants such as ISIS. Sec. Clinton's strategic shortsightedness in this critical area has foolishly helped unleash measureless opportunities for these terrorists to run wild and create unprecedented mayhem.
"This nation, our children, our grandchildren, therefore, are less safe today due to Secretary Clinton's bungling tenure in Washington."
2) "For too long has Secretary Clinton and her campaign provided nothing more than vague, straddle-both-sides-of-the-issue positions on policies affecting American citizens, their lives, their futures, their children and grandchildren's lives and futures. She constantly says she needs to "get more information" and "weigh the options" on everything from Wall Street reform, Social Security benefits, and the onerous Trans Pacific Partnership.
"Secretary Clinton: My campaign (i.e. Bernie Sanders' campaign) has been crystal clear on where we stand on these issues. But the American people demand that you, likewise, make your positions on these issues equally crystal clear. This is not a time for equivocation, of vacillation, of ambiguity. I urge you, the voter, to call Secretary Clinton's campaign and ask that she, once and for all, make clear exactly where she stands on the issues of the day. She owes you, the public, the benefit of knowing exactly where she stands as a candidate."
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)you want Sanders to use republican talking points against her?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Posting links from numerous anti-Democratic Party sites.
Why would they stop now?
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)More to the point, which links of any kind have I posted in my OP?
LS_Editor
(893 posts)In 2008, it was Obama being the anti-Republican and anti-George W. Bush. American anger about the economy and the disastrous foreign policy of W. took Hillary (and then McCain) out because she went along with W. on Iraq, the Patriot Act, and many other extremely non-liberal stuff.
In 2016, Sanders will beat Hillary because she has been palling around with banksters and Wall Street crooks for years. Americans are tired of a rigged economy and lax regulations that enable increasing income inequality.
Why any progressive would support Hillary is beyond me. In the 1980s she would be a moderate Republican based on her current policy positions.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The problem with Clinton's supporters is that so much vile and untrue allegations have been made against Hillary, that even legitimate criticism now strikes them as a RW talking point. That is why her campaign is so tone-deaf.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Hillary or double speak is all over the place and a vital part of her campaign.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I still believe that some of her supporters don't agree corporatism is good, but that they haven't yet realised that Clinton offers nothing but corporatism. - Probably because all criticism of Clinton is dismissed as a RW talking point by the few actually devious supporters she has.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Or words to that effect, said by Hillary Clinton.
Not to mention her ad.
Senator Clinton had her red phone moment. She had it in 2002, Mr. Plouffe said. It was on the Iraq war she and John McCain and George Bush all gave the wrong answer.
He added, This is about what you say when you answer the phone, what kind of judgment you demonstrate.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/clintons-national-security-ad/?_r=0
peacebird
(14,195 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Clinton, speaking on communications between US personnel in Libya and the State Department in Washington, said there was a good back and forth about security at the Benghazi compound before the attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
The facts say otherwise. The independent review Clinton convened after the attacks deeply faulted State Department officials in Washington for poor communication and cooperation as diplomats in Libya pressed for more security and Benghazi grew more dangerous.
The accountability board appointed by Clinton said the security in Benghazi was grossly inadequate to deal with the attack.
A bipartisan Senate committee report called keeping the Benghazi mission open under those circumstances a grievous mistake. WHERE DOES THE BUCK STOP WITH HILLARY CLINTON????? anywhere she wants I guess.... %&$#@%$
The fewer than half-dozen armed diplomatic security personnel at the compound were not well served by their leadership in Washington, the board said.
Clinton furthermore asserted that "personnel in Benghazi were granted many of their requests for security equipment upgrades."
The review board, however, said Washington showed a tendency to overemphasize the positive impact of physical security upgrades to a profoundly weak system.
At the same time, Washington officials were generally failing to meet Benghazis repeated requests to augment security personnel.
merrily
(45,251 posts)would make a better President and CIC than Obama.
tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)Breaking: Asking your candidate questions about policy specifics isn't RW, it's American. Now, "Cut it out!".
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)what a sad state of affairs
Renew Deal
(81,882 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)But thank you for reminding, not.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And you know it.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Hmm. Maybe you should rethink your support?
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)an obligation to voters.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Campaigning on race, ethnicity, religion , or gender, is negative. Campaigning on issues is not only fair , but an obligation to voters.
I realize I added , but like any great idea, we can improve by iteration and reiteration.
I love what you said and will repeat it over and over. I have some 4' by 8 ft' signs to put up on busy roads to support Bernie and it may be fitting there. Thank you.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Its not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN, the adviser said.
According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he applied to work with the campaign was the DNCs National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program.
Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker, the adviser said.
The adviser identified Whitaker as the COO of NGP VAN. Whitaker is no longer with the company. His LinkedIn page lists Whitaker as having left the firm for a job at another political data company in August of this year. Uretskys LinkedIn says he began working on the Sanders campaign in September.
Brown and Whitaker did not respond to requests for comment on this story. A spokesperson for the DNC declined to comment.
SNIP
peacebird
(14,195 posts)No surprise.
Uncle Joe
(58,456 posts)Thanks for the thread, brentspeak.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)which is to criticize where appropriate, but never to - well - do as you're suggesting here.
cprise
(8,445 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Regardless of where you are, if you have a phone you can help. Contact Leo and he will get you set up.
Leo Atkinson; Council Bluffs field organizer, 484-767-1559 leoatkinson@berniesanders.com
Vinca
(50,318 posts)If you want to help Bernie, cover the positive things he has done (especially re veterans) and the good things he hopes to do for the country and how it will affect them personally.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Clintonista-type mistake: trying to focus the debate onto the opponent and de-emphasizing your own platform.
That is no way to win and head into the general election on a the crest of tidal movement.
It is true that Clinton's hawkishness creates the mis-impression of safety while provoking instability which undermines safety, but Sanders message should not be "look at Clinton" -- it should be "don't let ISIL win by allowing their terrorism to distract us from our own goals of promoting equality and justice and public wellbeing in our own country."
Likewise, just because Clinton is a triangulating candidate for whom politics means more than policy, that is no reason to vote for Sanders; instead, Sanders should focus on why his policies are good and not why Clinton's are so ill defined and ever shifting.
In short, Sanders is doing exactly what he should be doing, and he is rising in Iowa where the race is close and he is ahead in New Hampshire.
We have less than two months to pull off this upset in Iowa and build on that momentum in New Hampshire.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)But he hasn't doesn't it forcefully enough and often enough.