2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary superfan Froma Harrop issues an "apology" about Bernie and doubles down
in calling.him a racist, insisting that bernie "fled" to Vermont because of it's demographics.
Journalist, my ass. Just a loathsome piece of crap who has perfected the art of using an apology to smear. Passive aggressively.
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That doesnt mean I havent regretted things Ive said or the tone used. I have. So heres a compromise: I will issue one apology a year.
And the winner for 2015 is
Bernie Sanders.
Why Bernie? Some liberal friends complain that Ive been overly dismissive of the senator from Vermonts candidacy. They have cause.
I was especially rough in pointing out the cracks in Bernies self-portrait of a national force for civil rights. Perhaps I overdid it.
But the fact remains that he fled the troubled New York of the 60s for the whitest state in the nation. It baffles that he shares his campaign stage with Cornel West, a black academic who condemns Barack Obama in nasty racial terms.
On advancing civil rights, Bernies been totally on board. Still, one can see why ordinary African-Americans seem to relate better to Hillary Clinton.
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But theres a big question besides can you win? That is, what would happen if you did? For all your solid thinking, youve never been able to work with others in Washington, and were not just talking about Republicans. You often cant get along with liberal Democrats.
Your holier than thou attitude, as former Rep. Barney Frank put it, has kept you from actively participating in the formation of laws. That bill you negotiated with conservatives to improve veterans health care doesnt count. Helping veterans is not a hard sell.
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http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/an-apology-to-bernie-sanders/
tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)You don't count. That bill got me and thousands of other vets into the VA to get some much needed care. Personally, it probably helped save my life. Doesn't count? If it's so easy, then why didn't Sistah Clinton do anything about the VA while she was Senator? After all, with her IWR vote, she directly contributed to the plight of veterans. Doesn't count. The "contributions" you're making to this country land you in the negative column. F off, lady. It counts.
cali
(114,904 posts)Not because I wanted to live in some all white enclave,but because I wanted to live in a rural place and I had close friends who had formed a commune.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)movement in the 60s. Race had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was a way to drop out of the bigger, better and more materialism of the times and it is no different today.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)some people.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)by Froma Harrop
DECEMBER 27, 2006
Obama's appeal comes not from the things he says, but from who is saying them. He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials in the flat tones you'd expect from any son of the prairie.
Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.
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The senator dislikes the "either-or" type of debate and warns against "false choices." He's not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white.
Obama is humble in all the right places. Before a thousand swooning fans in New Hampshire, he says, Evita-like: "This isn't about me. This is about you." One gets the impression from his public appearances and book, "The Audacity of Hope," that he doesn't even get a haircut without first consulting his wife.
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What Obama really thinks should be done about health care and the terrorist threat remain secrets that his book does not unlock. His two years in the Senate certainly haven't revealed any bold policy ideas.
http://freepress.org/article/obama-scores-exotic-who-says-nothing
Now that's hypocrisy.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)In 2015, we have Bernie Sanders, who has messy hair and whose ideas on Single Payer health care, marijuana legalization, and free tuition are elaborated in Senate bills he introduced.
She should be praising Sanders instead of writing a fake apology which smears him.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)recklessly and with only her own advantage in mind.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... of women who see Hillary as their last hope of installing a 1960s-type feminist to power.
I think that is why they were intensely bitter and angry about Obama in 2008 who stole what they thought should have been Hillary's nomination. And they are even more angry now that anyone, especially a genuinely progressive man, challenges Hillary yet again.
They think their feminist history and advocacy has earned them the right to have one of their cohort become President.
How dare anyone on the perceived left run against their chosen standard-bearer -- it is Hillary's turn. Period.
Of course, Hillary Clinton is not Bella Abzug or Shirley Chislom or Betty Friedan or Pat Schroeder, etc. Hillary is the product of marrying strategically and hop-scotching over the real revolutionary efforts of the 1960s 'Women's Liberation' movement, in my opinion.
So, I think Hillary is an ersatz feminist compared even now to Elizabeth Warren or Patty Murray, et al., who really made it to positions of prominence and influence all on their own.
It must be a real frustration to this bunch, too, that young women and men are finding the income equality message of Sen. Sanders so compelling and gender so secondary. The issues and the new milieu of economic distress is passing by Hillary Clinton and her cadre of supporters.
The Golden One
(46 posts)She was my representative growing up in Denver. Her successor, Diana DeGette continues on her work, fighting for women's rights and childrens' rights.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... to be old enough to have known Pat Schroeder when she was active with the public ... and some of the wonderful women who first organized the NWPC.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And many of them seem to have a lot in common with coulter
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)they focus on word choice or Sanders's penis and scream that any demurral is just further proof of their point
it's like Rahm winning earlier this year by going on the NoI's shows--pure button-pushing politics
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Nothing says "integrity" like "I'm going write a lot of regrettable horseshit every year and then follow up with an annual oops-my-bad" while doubling down on the horseshit.
Just some corporate Shill. Nothing worth reading.
cali
(114,904 posts)Froma Harrop (born March 18, 1950 in New York City) is an American writer and author.
She is best known for her bi-weekly syndicated column which appears in about 200 news outlets including the Seattle Times, Newsday, Denver Post, Dallas Morning News, Arizona Republic, Detroit News, and Real Clear Politics and The Providence Journal. She is represented by Creators Syndicate Inc. in Los Angeles.
Media Matters ranks her column 20th nationally in total readership and 14th in large newspaper concentration.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froma_Harrop
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)But hey, whatever gets the outrage meter to move on a slow day I guess.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)but some of them seem to have forgotten that and now they post her materials as if she was not infamous for her racism in 08. Even when they are reminded of the facts, many are willing to cite her.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and if I'd need to go back to 2007-2008 to find something interesting or relevant, or infuriating that she said, she can't be all that important.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I just told you why I don't care for her. I've met people who never heard of Einstein. This is not indicative of Albert's irrelevance.
cali
(114,904 posts)that invalidates any criticism and renders it as faux outrage.
And of course it doesn't bother you at all when hill is labeled a racist in the MSM. Oh wait, for all the Clintonite catterwalling about how unfair the MSM is to Hillary, that doesn't happen.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The media blows all kinds of stupid shit out of proportion.
And sadly some lose their collective minds over it.
But how you spend your time is up to you.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Out this morning. It is amazing how some of the them need to gin up the anger. It's part of what fuels the Sanders campaign. Probably one reason for the 30% ceiling
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)just fine.
Flexible morals come in handy when supporting Mrs Clinton
floriduck
(2,262 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Super fans unite!!!!
https://m.
ValasHune
(38 posts)That was the most condescending, holier than thou, and here is some more venom from me to you.......but I apologize piece of trash article i have ever read.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)Why the AA community would have more of an affinity with HC remains a mystery to me, given her husbands role in various laws that have devastated their community, starting with welfare and criminal justice "reforms".
sarge43
(28,946 posts)which explains why twice 67% of them voted for Barack Obama.
Clue phone, sweetie, being white doesn't automatically make someone a racist.
hack89
(39,171 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)In that twisted backhanded apology.
hack89
(39,171 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 26, 2015, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)
To further his political agenda. Can you understand why that bothers some?
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)certainly not Bernie because nothing makes sense anywhere. he gets along fine with both Democrats and Republicans. Hillary doesn't get alone with alot of Democrats and well we know that. Gets along fine with some Conservatives can't say Republicans. Possibly the same reason why I say there is the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. no R and D. Tea Party made a mess of that and I was never a big Bill Clinton fan to begin with. Namely he's no pro Environment guy. The only reason it looked that was was because of Al Gore. Course Al Gore had his problems with someone called Tipper Gore and censorship which is more or less an advertisement since the dawn of time. Did not become the NC-17 she wanted. except at Walmart.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The Women of the Ku Klux Klan have their headquarters in Arkansas as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_of_the_Ku_Klux_Klan#Second_Wave
Whatever standards we apply to the Clintons moving to their state, should be used with Sanders.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Lucianne Goldberg. Ick.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Harrop doesn't even see the internal logical contradictions within her writing.
She is not interested in exploring what baffles her because she stopped thinking prematurely when she reached her bizarre conclusion and then she began writing her piece.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Or being deliberately deceptive. Either way, it's a big stretch to call that an "apology".
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)How dare he. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!