The Bernie Sanders Campaign Has A Plan To Steal White, Working-Class Voters From Donald Trump

[Cali_Democrat]

The Bernie Sanders Campaign Has A Plan To Steal Voters From Donald Trump
Dec. 29, 2015, at 6:59 p.m.

All the Democratic presidential candidates love bashing Trump, but for the Sanders campaign, it’s not just a play for headlines. It’s a plan to poach white, working-class voters.

MUSCATINE, Iowa — In the days before Christmas, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders criss-crossed some of the reddest parts of Iowa looking for Donald Trump voters, especially men, to join his progressive political crusade.

<...>

But for Sanders, aides say, the fight with Trump is about a central plank of Sanders’ campaign. It’s not often these days that one hears a Democratic politician make a direct play for older white male voters, but for Sanders, it’s becoming an increasing part of his rallying cry.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/the-bernie-sanders-campaign-has-a-plan-to-steal-voters-from#.bmlWWQODR

Trump Supporters Shout “Sieg Heil,” “Light Him on Fire” at Black Protester

Donald Trump supporters taunted and called for violence against a number of protesters at a tense rally in Las Vegas Monday night, reports from the scene say. BuzzFeed's McKay Coppins took a short video in which one man can be heard shouting "light the motherfucker on fire" as a black protester is being removed from the premises:

NBC's Benjy Sarlin says that one individual shouted the Nazi greeting "Sieg Heil" in the area of the same protester. Sarlin wrote that "Trump took the interruptions in stride and complained that they were the only way to get media outlets to turn their cameras towards his crowds to show off their size."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/15/supporter_yells_sieg_heil_toward_black_protester_at_trump_rally.html

[Scootaloo]

1. Still spinning your wheels on this one huh, Cali_Democrat?

[HerbChestnut]

6. I know, right?

There must be a dozen OP's on this topic already. Trump supporters are *people*. Agree with them or not, we share this country with them and will have to work together in order to solve problems.

[RandySF]

10. Yeah

Because burning black people is something on which we can just agree to disagree.

[HerbChestnut]

16. WTF

Look, there are definitely some sleazy people that support Trump, but I don't believe for one second that 40% of the Republican electorate are as bad as you just made them out to be. I know a few Trump supporters, and misguided they may be, they aren't racists and they certainly would never physically harm someone because of the color of their skin.

[RandySF]

19. You keep thinking that

Go wade into the pool of teahadhists and talibangelists and see what luck you have.

[JackInGreen]

27. It worked!

You sound like they did about us in the 80s. Welcome to becoming the monster you sought to slay.

[HerbChestnut]

32. You'd be surprised.

I have quite a few friends with whom I disagree with on political matters. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you sit down and have a reasonable conversation about the issues. A bit of friendly alcohol helps too.

[Empowerer]

25. They may not personally do that, but when it was time to decide who they would line up with

they picked people who do.

I'm not comfortable around people who are comfortable around those people - and I wonder why you would be.

[HerbChestnut]

29. I'm comfortable being around people who have a different opinion on things than I do, within limits.

I wouldn't be comfortable around KKK members, for example, or neo-Nazis. In other words, you probably wouldn't find me at a Trump rally. But those people aren't going to vote for Bernie anyway. There *are* a lot of people who support Trump that are just regular people with a different opinion on things. Maybe they don't pay as much attention to the news and don't even know about what goes on at Trump rallies. I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, and if they come over and vote for Bernie how bad could they really be?

[Empowerer]

49. That's a privilege you have that many of us don't have the benefit of sharing

To you, it's a "different opinion." To me and many others, that "different opinion" is directly about and often directly affects me in deeply negative and painful ways.

Unlike you, I don't believe that voting for Sanders automatically absolves a racist of their their racism. A racist who votes for Sanders is still a racist.

[HerbChestnut]

52. No one is absolved from anything

Let me ask you this: Would you rather have them voting for Trump or voting for Bernie?

[Empowerer]

56. Honestly? I'd rather have them vote for Trump

Rather than allow them to horn their way into our side of the aisle where they might actually develop some influence (and if you think they wouldn't, you haven't been paying attention). And if Sanders and the other Democrats reach out to and motivate the loyal base of non-bigots who have paid their dues rather than chase around after racists and xenophobes, they will earn more than enough votes to make sure that Trump doesn't come even close to winning.

[HerbChestnut]

62. I don't even know how to respond to that.

We're back to square one, the Us and Them mentality. There is a reason this country is so divided on a number of issues, and I think you've just demonstrated it.

[Empowerer]

65. Yes - when it comes to hate and bigotry, thank God it's "us v. them"

Don't blame the country's divisions on decent people who don't want to cast our lots with bigots - you sound just like those who blame Obama for dividing the country because loud-mouthed racist white people can't stand him.

But if you want to join forces with them, be my guest. Just do your bonding with the bigots over at their house and keep them far away from me.

[HerbChestnut]

69. Last question.

What would Jesus do? Just saying

[MrWendel]

81. And Jesus would ask...

WWBD?

[RandySF]

141. That was sarcasm

[Sheepshank]

17. I guess Bernie's predominantly white constituency may have some appeal

.....to some Trumpeteers, but Bernie's actual platform has some socialist substance.

The Trump crowd has found a voice with their current candidate because he is validating their mysoginistic bigotry, they have no interest in actual policy....they are not likely to cross over.

I wonder why Bernie isn't wooing Carsons constituency instead? They seem much less violent.

[HerbChestnut]

35. Because Carson's consituency doesn't make up 40% of the Republican electorate.

In all likelihood Trump will be the Republican nominee. If Bernie is able to take even 5% of his support, think of what that will mean for the GE.

[Sheepshank]

39. Truly a hard sell that anything more that a few dozen will even listen to Bernie

Much less convert to the side of a Democratic Socialist. 5% of Trumpeteers is unattainable.

Carson will be dropping out and those Carson supporters will be looking for a new home. Much more ripe for the picking.

And one more thing, I think you said something no other Bernie supporter has been willing to admit. This wooing Trump supporters has nothing to do with helping them attain a more enlightened frame of mind, it's all about getting more votes. Nothing noble going on at all, it all cheap politics.

[HerbChestnut]

47. Well that certainly is a cynical way of looking at things.

First of all, if you really believe that no Trump supporters will vote for Bernie then why all the fuss about him trying to bring them into the party? If they won't do it then who cares? Secondly, I think you're being harsh on Bernie's motives. Obviously he's a politician, and all politicians seek to acquire as many votes as possible. However, I think what you'll find if you look at Bernie's history is that he has consistently sought out votes from Republicans or anyone else attracted to his message. In Vermont, where there are some staunch Republicans believe it or not, he typically received a large percentage of the Republican vote. He has made it one of his political missions to get working class Republicans to stop voting against their best interests. The reason I brought up the election strategy is because even if you don't buy the argument that Bernie is trying to change minds then at least admit that it will severely hurt the Republicans in future elections.

[Empowerer]

58. It is interesting that he is not speaking about getting Jeb's or Carson's or Fiorina's or any of

the other candidates supporters, just Trump's. Interesting and strange . . .

[Scootaloo]

38. What are you doing about it right now?

Are you making any moves at all to counter that bullshit? 'Cause Sanders is. That's the whole point.

[RandySF]

142. People who yell or cheer at "Burn the motherfucker" are not reachable

Not are they people I want to share a movement with.

[TheFarseer]

140. I know there are a lot of Trump supporters

That like the message of we need an outsider that can shake up a corrupt system, but are not so keen on the over the top racism but don't know where else to turn. I like the idea of trying to appeal to them from the left side. I'll bet if you put a bunch of Trump supporters in a Sanders rally, you would get a lot of converts.

[NCTraveler]

131. Sanders himself is on record disagreeing...

With your thoughts that this is spin.

[Scootaloo]

135. It's a metaphor, NCTraveler.

As in, a car stuck in the mud, spinning the wheels and getting nowhere.

[morningfog]

2. TROLOLOLOLL!!!

[HerbChestnut]

3. LALALALALALALALALALA

[Starry Messenger]

4. Some of us were actually talking about this in the AA forum around 6-8 months ago.

We should have started a betting pool.

[R B Garr]

66. Exactly! They were 100% right!

I remember many of their posts being hidden because Bernie fans didn't want to hear it, but they were exactly right.

[Starry Messenger]

124. Exactly!

[ucrdem]

5. Bad sign.

Didn't work for HRC in 2008 and did a lot of damage.

[Scootaloo]

9. Well, there's a difference

Clinton appealed to racism. Angry black man tropes, muslim-scaring, "white people, hard-working people," the interesting implications of her pro-gun rhetoric at the time

Sanders is not doing this at all. Instead he's making a clear point that it's not some minority's fault you're getting screwed.

You understand the difference in the terms underscoring and undercutting, right? Etymologically similar, but very different words.

[ucrdem]

14. That hasn't been my observation.

In any case we'll know soon enough where the chips have fallen as the Iowa caucus is scheduled for Feb. 1.

[Scootaloo]

15. But it's the fact.

But hey, maybe I missed something. Can you show me proof of Sanders making an appeal to racism for Trump supporters, as you and Cali_Democrat are accusing him of doing?

[The Wielding Truth]

43. Look out.I was blocked from the HRC group for asking the same question.

They said I was a pain for even asking and then it was banishment.It's a shame that when an accusation like this is made, it is a crime to ask for some evidence.

I just can't imagine that anyone who really knows the man could also make racist gestures in his name.

I would like the chance to blast that person who is making those comments but I am supposed to go a searching. I don't think the burden of proof should be on me. I didn't accuse anyone of such nasty rhetoric.

If you find anything or anyone lets you in on, it please post me.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. ^^^ACCUSES SANDERS OF APPEALING TO RACISM. IS CHALLENGED. PROVIDES NO ANSWER^^^

This sort of hit and run happens lots of times every day. It's going to get some attention now. Be able to back your words. Be ready to stand by your words.

[ucrdem]

24. LOL. I just got through posting this so here you are:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=958431

[DisgustipatedinCA]

30. If you're going to accuse Sanders of racism, you're going to need to find actual examples.

I realize you're butthurt about the TPP, but sending me to an article referencing a letter (both of which I read) that talks about the TPP to the USTR, NOT the President, does fuck-all to show racism.

If you're able to reason like an adult, get busy explaining how Sanders is a racist, but don't bring me some pile of shit worthy of a third grade writing assignment. Use reasoning. Use words. Explain why you've made such an offensive claim, and realize that the extraordinary claim you've made is going to need to pass muster with people who haven't been sniffing glue all their lives.

[ucrdem]

36. I gave you exactly what you rudely asked for. You're welcome. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. ^^^CHALLENGED FOR CALLING SANDERS A RACIST. EXPLAINS THAT SANDERS' ANTI-TPP STANCE=RACISM^^^

[ucrdem]

40. Your words. Not mine. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. Nope. I'm into personal responsibility, both for myself and for you. You did it, you own it.

Have the force of character to mean what the fuck you say and be ready to stand behind it.

[ucrdem]

42. Your gotcha failed. Take responsibility for that. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. ^^^ACCUSES SANDERS OF RACISM. CHALLENGED SEVERAL TIMES. CHANGES SUBJECT. WORMS AWAY^^^

You're going to need to learn to back your extraordinary claims. If you can't, that's what we call LYING. Get used to the caps.

[ucrdem]

48. Get some sleep. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. You've made an untrue accusation, and I want everyone to see that.

I want people to know that you engage in the destructive politics of accusing someone of racism without a SHRED of evidence to support it. Character assassination is ugly, ugly business, and it's what scumbag Republicans do. Don't bring it here; if you do, you'll be forever tagged with it.

[ucrdem]

60. Prove it. nt

[Scootaloo]

54. Show the appeal to racism, ucrdem

Still waiting, floor is all yours.

[ucrdem]

55. Fine, you can't follow links. Here's an example of dogwhistling:

"Bernie Sanders' Brutal Letter On Obama's Trade Pact Foreshadows 2016 Democratic Clash"



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/bernie-sanders-michael-froman-tpp_n_6419874.html

Not just this article, but the letter to Froman, the Twitter gifs, the speeches, rallies, and interviews, all questioning Obama's honesty and credentials in strongly emotionalzed terms. THAT is what is meant by dogwhistling.

[Scootaloo]

67. There's no dog whistles in bernie's Letter. Show me the appeal to racism, ucrdem.

[ucrdem]

70. I showed you. You can pretend it isn't there. Good night. nt

[Scootaloo]

77. You showed me another post where you're claiming racism from Sanders without showing it

You can't back your claims up in either case.

Show me the appeal to racism. if it's there, you shouldn't have to be so evasive about it. Put your cards on the table.

[ucrdem]

79. I've given you exactly what you asked for, in a post just for you. nt

[Scootaloo]

82. Again, you simply made a second claim without any backing.

All you've showed me is Sanders complaining about corporations having greater access to the TPP negotiations than the US congress. You claim that this is proof of racism from Sanders.

This is literally the only thing you have used to try to back up your prior claim that Bernie sanders is making appeals to racism. The problem is that you are trying to use one unproven assertion to defend another unproven assertion.

"I know unicorns are blue because the easter bunny told me,' basically.

C'mon. You lcaimed sanders is appealing ot racism. Show me. we've been at this a whole subtrhead now and you've been holding out on me the whole time. let's see it.

[ucrdem]

83. Those are your words, not mine. I demonstrated my point with links and screenshots. nt

[Scootaloo]

85. No, you demonstrated that Sanders has a complaint about corporate access to TPP proceedings.

You then claim that this is proof of Sanders being racist. You then use that claim as your one and sole backing for your other claim that Sanders is appealing to racism.

Basically you are saying that Sanders is a racist because you've accused him of being a racist.

Show me Sanders appealing to racism, ucrdem. You've had a whole thread, and you're very confident in your claim. Show me.

[ucrdem]

86. Fine, prove whatever gotcha you think you've got with links and quotes, okay? Thanks. nt

[Scootaloo]

88. That's what I've been waiting for you to do this whole subthread.

Show me where Sanders appeals to racism.

[ucrdem]

89. You can't prove your accusations. Neither could your pal. Done here. nt

[ucrdem]

72. p.s. as for the letter:

[neverforget]

93. And? Where is the dog whistle?

[ucrdem]

94. It's disrespectful, antagonstic, and dishonest.

Disrespect and antagonism, from HuffPo:

But it's the tone of the letter that sends the strongest message, particularly to a Democratic administration. Sanders calls TPP secrecy "incomprehensible" and "simply unacceptable." He quotes the Constitution, suggesting that USTR is overstepping its authority. The letter is essentially a threat to antagonize Froman with the legislative process if he doesn't comply with Sanders' request.

Dishonesty:

USTR told HuffPost it had ramped up congressional outreach, and has held nearly 1,600 meetings on Capitol Hill over the trade pact. “Senator Sanders, like all Members of Congress, has full access to the draft TPP negotiating text and we look forward to working with him to review it," USTR spokesman Trevor Kincaid said. "Members of Congress, labor unions, non-profits, and environmentalists have all played an important role in shaping our approach to our trade policy. This includes Senator Sanders, whose input USTR has received on a dozen occasions on issues ranging from clean energy manufacturing to cheese."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/bernie-sanders-michael-froman-tpp_n_6419874.html

[neverforget]

95. I know you're all in on the TPP, but give me a break.

That is weak sauce. You should really stick to the economic arguments when trying to support your position.

[ucrdem]

96. Supporting the TPP is part of the Democratic party platform.

The party that Sanders claims to be a member of:

We remain committed to finding more markets for American-made goods—including using the Trans-Pacific Partnership between the United States and eight countries in the Asia-Pacific, one of the most dynamic regions in the world—while ensuring that workers' rights and environmental standards are upheld, and fighting against unfair trade practices.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

And there's much more going on in Sanders' letter and the PR campaign it's part of than disagreement over economics. Did you read my post?

[neverforget]

98. And disagreement is allowed. Yeah I read your post. As I said, weak sauce. There's nothing there

other than your imagined slight.

And supposedly, Hillary is now opposed to the TPP after being for it. So, I guess she's against the Democratic Party Platform and the party to which Hillary belongs.

[ucrdem]

100. Hillary didn't bash a sitting Dem president for months on end

with deceptive slogans and ads. How many hundreds of these did his PR office churn out, before he even declared, and who paid to place them?

[neverforget]

101. So it's okay to be against this agreement as long as your name is Hillary and

you stay quiet about the disagreement?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/

Here are some of the words she used to describe the TPP before she left the State Department in 2013: "exciting," "innovative," "ambitious," "groundbreaking," "cutting-edge," "high-quality," "high-standard" and "gold standard." She also publicly encouraged more nations to get involved, such as Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia, and she expressed hope that the negotiations would wrap up by the end of 2012.

She was for it but now against it, supposedly. So, how does that play with you since you support the TPP and Hillary?

[ucrdem]

104. She needs to win the nomination and TPP is a done deal.

She's doing what she needs to do.

[neverforget]

105. Love it! It's okay because Hillary will make it happen. Thank you for

confirming what I already knew. You know her stance against the TPP is bullshit just like I do. It's political expediency and she's not telling the truth.

But Bernie is the bad guy here because he's been consistently against it. Good grief.

[ucrdem]

112. I hope her questions about it are addressed, yes. nt

[beam me up scottie]

126. What??? Criticism of the TPP is racist?

Do you even know what a racist dog whistle is?

[TM99]

128. No he doesn't.

He is making up shit, throwing it against the wall, and hoping everyone is too stupid to realize his lies and distortions are weak sauce.

[beam me up scottie]

129. Just another smear trying to paint Bernie as racist.

Unfortunately it looks more like projection.

[neverforget]

138. That poster doesn't believe

Hillary's own words about being against the TPP. But Bernie is the horrible, no good person for daring to oppose the TPP.

[beam me up scottie]

139. Yes, if that isn't a good reason to hate Bernie I don't know what is.

The things you read on DU...

[pa28]

74. You were accused of appealing to racism and failed to provide an explanation.

A link that does nothing to explain your charge really isn't good enough. Please justify your charge.

[ucrdem]

75. Look up. nt

[pa28]

78. Well actually I did and it seemed we were just spouting off again.

Good night.

[ucrdem]

84. I see.

Good night.

[BlueCaliDem]

7. Well, he's making zero inroads with minority voters, so he's gotta do what he's gotta do.

But I believe he'll fail. The White working-class voters panting after Trump are White supremacists, bigots, misogynists, racists, nationalists, and xenophobes. One mention that Sanders is Jewish, is pro-choice, is a socialist is enough to make them pointy heads explode. If he can avoid the above, he just might have a chance, especially if he touts his NRA creds.

[Empowerer]

26. And wait till they hear that he marched with Dr. King . . .

[ucrdem]

33. As it turns out, Sanders didn't march with King:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=851485

[Cha]

113. Really? that wasn't him in that one pic that was displayed on DU? that sorta looked like him?

[ucrdem]

116. This one?

Turns out that's in Chicago. No pics of Bernie and Dr. King together that I know of. And Bernie himself says he only watched, from "way way back there" on the Mall, in 1963:

[Cha]

120. No.. this one was grainy and much further away and the person was standing in group of people

back then.

I just happened to catch the post.. I don't really look at a lot of stuff like that.

But, I just imagined that all the talk about marching with Dr King was a real thing even though it isn't the end all and it wasn't what #BLM activists and supporters needed to know today.. as in what are we doing about Racial Injustice NOW.

[Empowerer]

45. I'm sure you have no idea how ridiculous you sound

But thanks for the chuckle . . .

[DisgustipatedinCA]

46. You can stop with the laughing any time now.

[Number23]

92. All of that overheated melodrama rings extra hollow considering that poster referred to a BLM

activist as a "subhuman Republican piece of shit" a few months ago.

Hard to believe that anyone that "gives so much of a shit" about civil rights and thinks that they are so terribly important would think that the people who are actually out there fighting for them aren't even human.

[Cha]

117. That should have been hidden. calling a #BLM activist "a subhuman republican piece of shit"..

there's one serial alerter going around calling everything "oot&quot sic) but the
"subhuman" post was despicably Over The Top.

[Sheepshank]

8. For me, these two articles exemplify the desperation of trying to get over 30%

Sanders, and it appears his supporters are happy to include racists as part of the fold.

This is NOT the face of the Democratic Party. Racists should be shunned not courted.

[NanceGreggs]

109. "Racists should be shunned not courted."

Well said.

And we really are looking at desperation here.

From the beginning, we were told that Bernie's support would hit dizzying heights among Democrats, liberals, progressives. And now we're being told (albeit inadvertently) that BS's appeal among those folks isn't as was first hoped, and very vocally advertised.

So now it's necessary to go slummin', and try to pick up a few votes among Trump's racist followers in order to get past the 30% ceiling - while doing so is being promoted as a valiant effort to reach across the aisle.

If BS thought there was any chance of garnering the support he needs to win the nomination among Democrats, he would not be looking elsewhere for votes.

[Tom Rinaldo]

130. Are you claiming racist dog whistles are at play?

I have seen no sign of that at all, only the opposite; calling out of racism. I do hear economic sirens at use though. Progressive organizers, including MLK Jr. have always courted "racists". Not hard core committed racists of course, and not by appealing to their racist indoctrination, but by exposing the divide and conquer motivation of those who seek to create divisions among people with common interests by inflaming racial tensions born by ignorance that cause them to fight each other rather than those who profit by their division.

America has become less racist over long decades in large part because of the ongoing work done by many to defeat racism by slowly transforming those infected by it. It is essential and difficult work. The fact that it is difficult does not make it less essential to our societal transformation. It can only be done if racism is openly condemned, not tolerated, in the process. From everything I have seen Berni Sanders holds true to that principle. Unless you can prove otherwise this is a disingenuous and ultimately counter productive to our goals and values line of attack against Sanders.

[pa28]

11. White working class = "sieg heil light the motherfucker on fire".

Seems like a rather scummy thing to post but I've noticed many of your posts are divisive in this kind of way.

[DJ13]

12. How does one "steal" a voter?

Are they held under lock and key with no free will of their own?

[azmom]

13. The 99% includes white people.

[Uncle Joe]

18. Frankly I'm astounded that Democrats believe that Democratic Candidates shouldn't be trying to

Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2015, 01:17 AM - Edit history (1)

weaken Trump's racist, hate filled campaign!?

Thanks for the thread, Cali_Democrat.

[Luminous Animal]

23. And thank you Uncle Joe. There are leaders who can turn a population against

their better selves and their are leaders who can turn a population towards their better selves.

[Uncle Joe]

28. I have to wonder what do these people believe the victims of the Holocaust meant when they said

"never forget" it was the lesson of humanity's capability of using great evil toward one another but in the case of Hitler's Germany that didn't begin with World War II and the holocaust, it all started with hate filled speech and demagoguery, that was the seed from which everything else grew.

[Luminous Animal]

20. Excellent!

Bob Payne, an older Teamster who stood in the back of a Sanders event in Council Bluffs last week with a sign about pensions, said the more Trump keeps talking, the more opportunities Sanders has to show he has the real answers to the economic fears that he said drive many Trump supporters to his camp.
“I hope he keeps having diarrhea of the mouth!” Payne said of Trump. “It just helps Bernie.”

[LuvLoogie]

21. There will be an anti-Hillary dog whistle soundbite from the Sanders campaign.

Bernie will have to pit his economics against Trump's. How receptiveTrump's voters will be to Tax & Spend has yet to be seen. Given that Trump voters are motivated by negativity, and the Sanders campaign seeks to develop discontent into a political revolution, I see Sanders field operatives working the Trump voters with anti-Hillary rhetoric while Sanders is on stage talking economics.

There will be a cell phone video on the internets.

[Luminous Animal]

53. Excellent. Just sent this post to the Bernie campaign.

[Lucky Luciano]

31. He is going after people that were fooled into blaming minorities for their woes.

He wants to get those supporters of Trump's (peeling off 15% of trump's supporters would be a win) that might r direct their anger at the right people with s little education.

Most of trump's supporters are knuckledraggers, but he only needs done if them - not nearly all.

[Empowerer]

51. And you think they have never been told this before but now that they hear it from Bernie Sanders,

they'll suddenly see the light?

Okaaayyyy . . .

[LuvLoogie]

57. The Sanders campaign will appeal to them with an anti-Hillary message.

Not an economic message.

[Luminous Animal]

59. There should be a leaders that push's back. People who says that there is a better way

than hate.

[Empowerer]

63. And you think that Bernie Sanders is the first politician to come up with this brilliant plan?

Here's a clue - it's been tried but ... it ... doesn't ... work - precisely because these people already know they're voting against their economic interests and ... they ... don't ... care.

They vote the way they do because Trump and his ilk satisfy their most important concern - confirming their illusion of racial superiority and belief that, no matter how screwed up their economic prospects are, there will always be someone they can look down upon. Unless Sanders can promise them that, they will not support him, regardless how much he "pushes back."

[LuvLoogie]

64. That was Senator/President Obama's message, and still is.

[Cali_Democrat]

76. Didn't Hillary push back against Trump just a few days ago?

She's been doing it this entire election cycle. Obama has been as well.

Why aren't you paying attention?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/12/23/77789406/

[Luminous Animal]

87. Trump has been a disgusting piece of shit for decades. Didn't stop Bill and Hillary from

yucking it up at his wedding.

[Cali_Democrat]

91. LOL....that is such a weak attack...

Good luck with that!

[Starry Messenger]

61. In a month too!

[artislife]

68. Bernie has a plan...and h is mad because they are her people.

Ha! She trolled for the kind of people this OP accusses Bernie of. Remember Super Tuesday?


But she wanted them with all their fear, the guns and bibles and appealed to that aspect.

Bernie wants them to remember what they hoped for, for themselves, their family, this country. When the system was rigged for the regular person who put in their time, their effort and had something.

He is appealing to those who worry about the present, let alone the future. Some who got sick, some who lost jobs, some who lost homes. What can he offer them?

That if we work together, we can build each other up.

[AgingAmerican]

71. This shit again?

Not surprising. It's all you folks have apparently. Smear jobs.

[Cali_Democrat]

73. I blame the fascist oligarchy.....

I will never forgive them for suppressing the 4th part of the second Dem debate.

Thankfully, people like yourself were on to them.

[AgingAmerican]

80. Hillary is funded by the oligarchy

nt

[Katashi_itto]

132. You realize Hillary is an Oligarch right?

[tblue37]

90. Some Trump supporters are irredeemable racists and Nazis. Others are just low-information voters

who vote from fear, who have been blinded by incessant propaganda,and who have been alienated so badly by both parties that they are easy pickings for a bombastic authoritarian fool like Trump. Careful wooing by a candidate like Bernie could lure them back to the light side of the Force.

[Cha]

97. Dream on, sanders.

[Truprogressive85]

102. Oh Cali_Democrat

You support a woman who exploited the fear of a black man ,in order to white win votes

Remember how Hillary Clinton said :

“found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me was better for white working class voters than Obama



Her faux outrage when Obama was caught on tape saying " They cling to their guns and Religion

and her countless surrogates with some subtle and some upfront racist comments towards than Sen. Obama

but we are suppose to forget that huh because well she a Democrats right and according to some Democrats cant be racist or bigots

In words of Deray : "Watch whiteness work"

[Live and Learn]

103. +10,000 nt

[Truprogressive85]

106. Looks like PUMAs have not changed

This what a Clinton supporter said in 2015


Kathleen Kelley, a businesswoman in northern New Hampshire, opens a Clinton event w/ this: "Unlike Obama, Hillary respects rural America."

Is this lady suggesting doesn't care about rural America ? really lol


Translation = Obama doesn't care about white folks

[Live and Learn]

108. Didn't work then and won't work now. Pathetic and transparant, actually.

I find it despicable that they think any race of people are so gullible.

[Cha]

107. I know if Hillary were doing this instead of BS.. the damn rafters would be shaking. What's next

going after teabaggers for ted?

[neverforget]

110. You're thinking of Hillary in 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters -- including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.
"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

[Live and Learn]

111. Really? Hillary is going for the Wall Street vote?

Did you forget that?

[ucrdem]

114. LOL.

[Cha]

115. Why not? Are they any worse than fascists for trump?

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124205/yes-donald-trump-fascist

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/politics/donald-trump-fascism/

[ucrdem]

118. Scary to think this guy is leading the pack.

[Cha]

121. Bet christy's pissed.

[Live and Learn]

122. Now that you got right, Trump stole his schtick. And is better at it! nt

[Truprogressive85]

119. Seems like this HRC supporter is bitter about 08'

?1

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/681988735404261376

[Bad Dog]

123. Skinheads are easy to turn.

I once read an article in the Guardian, (sorry I can't find it) about hard left skinheads. What a lot of people don't realise is that the skinhead movement originally formed in Britain when white youths started to socialise with immigrants from the West Indies. The result is Ska music which is a fusion of black and white cultures.

Somewhere along the way right wing extremists took over some skinheads, but not all. There are a lot of genuine Ska loving skinheads still about. A lot of them used to drink in one of the local bunch, they'd turn up on masse riding their Lambrettas, a very scary looking bunch, but really nice when you got to know them.

I went on a protest march in nearby Winchester at Hampshire bus services because they were employing one of the deeply racist, and now defunct, National Front's deputies as a bus driver. There was a small counter demonstration by right wing skinheads, but they were dwarfed by the amount of skinheads in our ranks demanding that this racist be kicked out.

What the article said, which was echoed by a lot of left wing skinheads, is that right wing extremists are actually the easiest to turn. They're pissed off with their lack of opportunity and mistakenly blame immigrants for that instead of the real culprits, robber baron capitalists. Once educated it's quite easy to redirect that hate.

Maybe Sanders is just taking a leaf out of the skinhead's books. After all it's inconceivable that most poorly educated, low income, uninsured teabaggers would actually vote for a system that made them even worse off, but they do.

[Freddie Stubbs]

125. It will probably work out as well as his campaign stealing voter data

[My Good Babushka]

133. Voters are going to vote

they can't really be "stolen" but they can be influenced. If he can convince the working poor that he's got something in his platform for them, if he can underline the fact that our two-party choices have been between "nothing for the workers" and "a crumb for the workers after the wealthy get slaked with the majority of benefits", and show how the legislation he wants will be different, then he will get those votes.
There is a deep schism in the democratic party, working class people are tired of starving, I think. Whether you are starving by republican design that favors trickle down, or are starving by democratic design which favors what it calls "third way pragmatism", the end result is the same, there have been decades of legislation that is geared toward the benefit of the investor class, coming from both sides. There are factions in both parties that are deeply unsatisfied with this.

[morningfog]

134. Utter bullshit of a post. You are really revealing yourself and your intentions here.

This is not a good faith post. It is dishonest and disruptive.

Bernie SandersVerified account
‏@SenSanders
I have a message for Donald Trump: No, we’re not going to hate Latinos, we’re not going to hate Muslims, we are going to stand together.

[Cali_Democrat]

136. .

.

[Sheepshank]

137. Kick