I am a Democrat

[Cary]

Over 50% of the electorate will vote Democratic. In spite of the emotional rhetoric and nastiness here 86% of the Bernie Sanders supporters will happily vote for Hillary Clinton and I believe it will be more.

Take that to the bank.

[bvf]

1. "Happily"? n/t

[daleanime]

56. +1

[bvf]

60. Crap like this

almost makes me regret the one or two things I've said in her defense around here.

I'll never happily vote for her. Fortunately, the TOS doesn't presume to dictate my mindset at the polls, should it come to that.

[ronnykmarshall]

62. That's all you've got?

Pathetic.

[bvf]

66. That's all that's called for.

"Pathetic" right backatcha, pal.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. Why thank you sweetie!

[bvf]

72. You're not even trying.

[ronnykmarshall]

75. Smoooches!

Love ya cupcake!

[bvf]

76. See? Like that. I'm sure you're capable of *much* better.

[ronnykmarshall]

80. More than cupcake?

Sugar dumpling?

[bvf]

84. *Tsk*

[99Forever]

2. Linkie poos?

[comradebillyboy]

3. Personal opinions don't normally need links

OP posted a personal opinion, which many of us agree with. If I posted my personal opinion of you it would not need to be accompanied by linkie poos.

[99Forever]

7. It was posted as if it were proven facts.

That REQUIRES proof.


And I care fuckall what your "personal opinion" of me is.

[Skidmore]

12. I think we need linkie poos

for why we should care about your opinon.

[99Forever]

14. You can find them...

... the exact same place as the OP's proofs.

I guess we are on equal ground as to your opinions too.

Have you met Mr Kettle?

[BlueCaliDem]

83. It's a tactic used by the extreme left and the extreme right to shut you down.

Odd thing, though, that they don't believe they have any responsibility providing links to their outrageous claims.

[Cary]

87. Yep.

And they long ago reached the point of diminishing returns with their stupid tactic.

Once you see their game you can own them

[ornotna]

95. ...

Last edited Sun Jan 3, 2016, 12:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Post I was linking to has been edited.

[Cary]

11. Feel free to "debunk" me.

I'm sure it will give you great satisfaction

[99Forever]

15. You made the claims, not I.

The onus is on you.

Step up to the plate and take a swing.

[Cary]

21. Really? Says who?

Nonsense. I made my point. If you don't Ike it that's your problem. I have zero obligation to prove anything to you.

[99Forever]

25. And no one has any "obligation" to believe a word you post.

You made no validated point.

That is your problem.

[Cary]

26. Nothing wrong with my point

But your need to attack me personally for having it is sociopathic.

[99Forever]

28. Bullshit.

I addressed what you said, not you personally. You had the opportunity to PROVE your "point" and didn't do it. Instead you blather on trying to create a smokescreen for coming up empty. Now you break out the po' victim card.

So, once again, step up to the plate and prove your point or continue to prove you can't.

[Cary]

31. Or what?

You're going to give me another stupid ego play?

Feh.

[99Forever]

35. So you've truly got nothing.

Off to Ignore with you.

Bless your heart.

[Cary]

36. Ha!

I am one of about 330 million Americans. I am a liberal Democrat.

If that is nothing then yes, I got nothing. So what?

Hahahahaha!

[CorporatistNation]

49. How Can ANYONE Define Themselves As Liberal If They Are Advocating For A Corporatist?

Makes NO Sense....

[Cary]

92. No one has to prove anything to you

That's just some delusion you're under.

[SCantiGOP]

47. You again, promising Ignore status?

And you can't answer cause you said you were putting me on Ignore last week

(On edit: this is answer to 99forever, not you Cary)

[demwing]

40. You didn't make a point - you made a claim

that's an important difference, which you seem to have missed.

[Cary]

43. The fact that you can't see the point I made doesn't mean I didn't make it

[demwing]

54. And the fact that you THINK you've made a point doesn't make it so /nt

[beam me up scottie]

68. The burden of proof is on the person who made the claim:

Philosophic burden of proof

In epistemology, the burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

Holder of the burden

When two parties are in a discussion and one asserts a claim that the other disputes, the one who asserts has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

[INdemo]

27. If Hillary wins the nomination

and becomes President,will the first Man Bill still be able to make those $250,000 + speeches to the likes of Goldman Sachs and other Corporate groups?

[Cary]

29. I don't care.

My first priority is no more Scalias, Thomas', Alitos, or Roberts'. My next proliority is to move the ball on progressive legislation and issues. My third priority is to gleefully watch "conservatives" melt down over their dysfunction and hopefully morph into something more benign.

As for the group of people who will promote "conservative" smears and b.s., I am still trying to understand that. The reaction to my post is as I expected so I am learning something.

[CorporatistNation]

50. Fair Question...

Depends on who decides the question...

[demwing]

41. Alright - You've made a claim with zero supporting evidence. No proof, no truth.

Consider yourself debunked.

[Cary]

42. I consider this to be the second most successful post I've made at DU

It's a pity that you're not bright enough to see it.

[Ed Suspicious]

52. That's so sad.

[demwing]

57. I've responded to you twice, and without getting personal

I'll admit that I have no idea what your goal is here, but I no longer care.

Enjoy your new year

[beam me up scottie]

70. "It's a pity that you're not bright enough to see it."

Right, because anyone who doesn't recognize your brilliance is stupid.

[tazkcmo]

106. Wow.

Then first must have been true fantasy. Where did you get your "over 50%" claim? Same place monkeys get their flinging ammo?

[Cary]

107. You all have been told

You don't want to accept the answer. That's fine.

But don't pretend that you're responding in good faith. That's dishonest, as is your claim that you didn't have an answer.

[artislife]

4. And that bank will be too big to fail, if she gets in. nt

[Cary]

24. I bet you don't even realized that I was mocking you.

[artislife]

33. I bet you didn't even know I don't give a f*ck. nt

[Cary]

34. You're right

I am convinced of your affectation.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Goldman Sachs will happily take that deposit.

eom

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. How many Clinton supporters will vote for Bernie in the general?

[Cary]

10. I don't know and I don't see what that has to do with anything

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. Bernie will win the Democratic nomination

so Bernie supporters won't need to vote for her.

[Cary]

19. So start your own thread on that

That isn't the point I made and it has nothing whatever to do with the point I made.

[BlueMTexpat]

55. IMHO, close to

100% of those here who are true Democrats and who currently support Hillary will vote for Bernie, should he win the Dem nomination.

But he will first have to convince one heckuva of a lot of Democrats in 50 state primaries to vote for him over Hillary for that to happen.

[cali]

8. You may be a democrat, but you are neither a mindreader or soothsayer

[Cary]

9. I'm a very nice man

I think that's what trips you up.

[cali]

17. Being a nice man does not make you clairvoyant

[Cary]

18. Inductive reasoning is not clairvoyance

Clearly you are confused.

[firebrand80]

16. More like 98% nt

[Cary]

20. Perhaps...

It should be 100%. The 2% or 14% just want to cut their noses off to spite their faces

[firebrand80]

22. Won't be enough to affect the outcome

2007 was twice as nasty as this campaign, and it had no affect on the outcome.

[Cary]

23. Correct

And of course I am clairvoyant.

[Thinkingabout]

30. If the desire is to have Democratic ideas in place then electing Democrats is the best

way to achieve those ideas, Democrats at every level. We see how the Republicans handle Democratic ideas, they want to repeal every one of them.

[Cary]

32. I see no flaw in that logic

Aren't you going to try to convince me that I'm stupid or crazy? <sarcasm of course>

[MrMickeysMom]

37. What's in YOUR wallet?

The Bank of Media Blackout, where all heads nod in unison?

[sadoldgirl]

38. That is why I switched to a Credit Union.

[Cary]

39. Because Democrats are going to win?

I don't understand why that makes posters at DU go bonkers.

Very strange.

[BKH70041]

44. Don't see it happening.

There's probably 1/3rd of those here who love Sanders and hate Clinton who will not vote for her, won't pretend that they are, and will leave this site and the Party. I can respect them in that they at least live what they preach. If you truly believe Clinton is a corporate stooge, then to hold your nose and vote for her automatically says you have no backbone. I want people without a backbone to leave the Party because they're a drag on everyone else.

Of the other 2/3rds, you'll have maybe half of them who will claim they will hold their nose and vote for Clinton, but they won't. This is necessary to claim because of the TOS rules at this site. If Clinton wins, then they can say they voted for her which gives them the right to object to her policies. If she loses, they get past the "purests kept the Dem from winning" accusation and can do the "we told you so" to others. Staying at this site regardless is very, very important to many members.

And really, how hard is it to not really proclaim your voting intentions in the GE on this site and get away with it? Pretty darn easy, that's how hard.

[Cary]

45. I think the noise here is just that

And the emotional reaction to my simple expression is evidence of extremism, disaffection, and marginalism.

[BKH70041]

46. I hope not.

Every so often, you need a purge, a time when (in Godfather terms) you go to the mattresses. In the long-term, the health of the Party would benefit. Those who are unhappy via this "too corporate" mantra need to move along and find happiness elsewhere.

[Cary]

48. sigh

I'm interested in reality, not ideology.

[Ed Suspicious]

51. Hey, nasty Bernie supporter here. I love you anyway.

[chillfactor]

53. i agree....

i support Hillary..but if Sanders wins the nomination I will vote for him.....unlike the Sanders supporters who say they will not vote for Hillary...guess those supporters are not Democrats...guess they want a rethug president who will put the country into another economic downward spiral

[daleanime]

58. Sure, just let me get my 'party' hat....

[beam me up scottie]

64. LMAO!

Don't you just love these threads?

[bvf]

69. You bet.

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I laughed so hard the first time I saw that years ago that I almost passed out.

This puts it in a whole new context.

[beam me up scottie]

71. Well according to the op "It's a pity that you're not bright enough to see it."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=968434

I don't think there's anything wrong with our vision. Or our intelligence.

[bvf]

73. Looks like they're having a contest of some sort. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

74. All he's done is make claims he can't prove and insult Bernie's supporters.

And we're supposed to fall in line and acknowledge his intellectual superiority.

[bvf]

79. Say anything, and call it a "point."

"Cats are all green."

"Discuss, but remember, I'm really smart, and you're an idiot if you disagree."

[beam me up scottie]

82. You got it, we should be thanking the op for insulting us!

Seriously, can you believe this guy? Complaining about how "nasty" everyone else is, talk about calling the kettle black.

[bvf]

93. A nugget.

"Anyone who doesn't agree with me on this can go pound sand up their butt."

I can't even imagine going through life thinking like that.

[beam me up scottie]

94. Right? He probably thinks he's "winning"!

[bvf]

96. Do you suppose he's a lawyer?

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury..."

[beam me up scottie]

97. Lol! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTHINESS!!!

[daleanime]

100. ......

[Cary]

89. Prove it.

Ha!

[beam me up scottie]

91. "Ha"? Really? Who does that remind me of...

[Cary]

98. I was mocking you

But you have no sense of humor

[beam me up scottie]

99. I've been laughing my ass off since the first reply to your op.

And it's only gotten funnier.

Was that your intent?

[daleanime]

101. Then why....

do we find you so funny?

[bvf]

104. +1,000,000 n/t

[peacebird]

59. You rashly assume she will win the nomination......

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. And, if "not as bad" Hillary loses the GE, the left, as always, will be blamed.

Rather than a candidate who couldn't attract the votes of the left.

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Thank you Cary.

And if the shoe is on the other foot, I'll be happy to support Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

65. May I have some more please sir?

[haikugal]

85. Gahhhh...humorless bunch of whiny peeps!

Geez can't they take a joke?



Wet hens.

[beam me up scottie]

86. Your just not brite enuff too understan Cary. Bernie supporters are nasty!

[Squinch]

77. Jesus, this place has become horribly nasty. The posts in this thread are just full of mean spirited

assholery that serves no purpose whatsoever.

[daleanime]

103. I know what you mean....

why won't they submit to their mocking like good little party members?

[Squinch]

110. See, I am pretty sure I have always liked your posts. Why

is this necessary? I respect you. I may or may not agree with you on the primary. I can still respect you.

Just for full disclosure, I am someone who will vote for whoever seems best positioned to beat the Republican when the primaries roll around to my state. I think it will be Hillary. If it is not, I will be happy to vote for Sanders.

I've been browbeaten and banned from the Bernie group because I have said that a vote for someone other than the primary winner is a vote for Trump. But you know what? It is.

[daleanime]

111. And do you know why I'm banned from the Hillary Group?

For saying nothing.

"................" Yes, that's the line that earned me my only hide/ban. Kind of colours the way you see the issues around banning, you know what I mean? Anyways sorry things have been rough for you, hopefully we all got better things ahead. Have a great evening.

[-none]

78. Why would anyone vote for Hillary when Bernie will be the nominee in the general?

I can't understand that.

[Iliyah]

81. Because I personally love the USA. Far from perfect and thats an understatment

I can walk go the store with my daughters, mingle with many cultures and feel safe. I'm proud to be a Democrat.

[Cary]

90. Me too.

Very proud to be liberal too.

[840high]

88. Unrec for nasty.

[liberal_at_heart]

102. You can vote however you like. It makes no difference to me. I too will vote for whomever I want.

Why do we try so hard to make people do what we would do? Why do we spend so much time degrading and insulting each other just because others think or do differently than we do? It is a waste of time. There are over 7 billion people on this Earth. There will never be anything where we all think or do what everybody else does and that is okay. So you vote for who you want to vote for and I will vote for who I want to.

[Cary]

108. And what do "we," whomever that is supposed to be, accomplish?

I don't have a crystal ball. That is true. But I do have some insight and some experience.

I have seen this at DU before. A group of people were over the top anti Obama. They made a lot of noise. They lost. They were, as it turned out, irrelevant when they could have made a difference.

I'm just seeing the same mistake being made. Yes, it's your right to be irrelevant. It's my right to see a foolish consistency as the hobgobblin of a small mind.

[liberal_at_heart]

115. Sorry but when the personal insults start flying that's when I put people on ignore. Bye.

If you are so upset at how you are being treated and what you are seeing on DU I would suggest you either use your ignore button, grow a stronger skin, or find a different site to frequent.

[tazkcmo]

105. I am an American.

And won't vote for any 3rd Way/DLC democrat.

[Cary]

109. I don't even know what you're talking about

I am not anti-Bernie. I've eagerly listened to Bernie for many years on Thom Hartmann. I love Bernie and it'll he is the nominee I will very happily vote for him.

What I will not do is create some kind of stupid rift in our coalition the way teabaggers have done in the Republican Party.

Not only do Bernie supporters here react aggressively against my stance on this, but they pretend to not understand. You all understand. The "prove it" schtick is a really stupid game.

You all are better than this.

[Reter]

112. I'll vote for her, but it'll be far from "happily"

I'd rather it be another Democrat, but she's probably gonna win the nomination, so I have to vote for her.

[Cary]

114. I have no issue with that

But it's still about policies, not specific people. And what I object to is the b.s.-go-round.

[cui bono]

113. "Over 50% of the electorate will vote Democratic."

Then it's assured that Bernie can win. So let's get him the nomination so we can really work towards fixing our country and helping all the people!

FEEL THE BERN!!!


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