Sanders 4Q fundraising: $33 M; COH $28

[brooklynite]

A hood haul but did not beat Clinton.

Also, no money raised for the Party.

[bigtree]

1. 'money raised for the party'

...would seem to be a no-brainer for a candidate calling for a political revolution.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Can you please elaborate?

How does one candidate specifically raise money for the party and why didn't Senator Sanders raise any money for the party?

[tammywammy]

8. Here:

Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC

Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign has signed a joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic National Committee, the DNC confirmed to POLITICO.

The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559#ixzz3w6qJLfao

[bigtree]

10. any word in his actual contributions, so far?

...since he's agreed, I'd guess the money is already flowing (and I would gladly stand corrected).

[tammywammy]

12. No, it doesn't appear that he's done any fundraising yet

The take of the Vermont senator, however, lags further behind Clinton's overall haul of $55 million for the past three months, which also included $18 million earmarked for the Democratic party -- money that would help bolster her prospects in the general election. Sanders did not report raising any money for the party during the three-month period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/02/bernie-sanders-raises-more-than-33-million-in-latest-fundraising-quarter/

[bigtree]

9. she raised $18 million for the Democratic National Committee

...and state Democratic parties nationwide in the fourth quarter.

If Sanders has done this, I'd wouldn't mind being corrected. I'm mostly riffing off of the op.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Why wouldn't she raise that money for herself?

Or maybe raise nine million for the party and nine million more for herself ?

Thank you in advance.

It seems like a very altruistic and unselfish act.

[bigtree]

15. to be fair

"The fundraising for the DNC and state parties is aimed at helping Clinton in the general election should she win her party's nomination."

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/39a58abe63ac47b090e00d9f4b4f152c/US--DEM-2016-Clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. If I am a pol and my raison d'etre is to get myself elected...

If I am a politician and my raison d'etre is to get myself elected I would be tempted to raise every dollar for myself now. I am not saying it is noble but I can see the motivation.

[BlueCheese]

22. What happens to the money if she's not the nominee?

[msrizzo]

26. It's for the party....

It belongs to the DNC. It's not raised just for her. It can be used to help ticket or even Bernie if he's the nominee!

[BlueCheese]

17. The money for the party is usually from people who have maxed out their donations to the campaign.

At least as I understand it.

You have joint fundraising events where people donate $10,000, for example. The first $2,700 goes to the candidate, and the rest goes to the party.

[bigtree]

24. a different reason's been reported

Dan Merica @danmericaCNN

Sanders raised $0 for the Dem Party, per an aide. The reason? The DNC never gave them joint fundraising dates. https://mobile.twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/683334564094164993

[dlwickham]

55. the responses to that tweet seem to contradict it

who knows

[MADem]

30. She raised money for Democrats when she was a Senator, too.

She even donated money to Bernie Sanders for his Senate campaign (the Democratic Party had him on their ballot, though he refused their nomination).

She's interested in growing the party. She always has been. She also understands that if you want to get love, you've got to give love.

[onehandle]

23. His left over cash should go to the DNC once he concedes to Hillary.

I feel confident that this is the deal they made with him.

[TekGryphon]

37. The fact that Bernie, unlike many of his followers...

... is committed to growing the progressive movement.

While here on DU we see some (often the loudest) Bernie supporters advocating every day, every hour, every minute for walking away from the Democratic Party and letting the Republicans win in 2016 if they don't "get their pony" - Bernie Sanders is committed to the movement.

He'll be out there stumping for Hillary and raising money for progressives.

[joshcryer]

46. Interesting angle.

[onehandle]

48. It's not an 'angle.' Often losing candidates cash go to the DNC.

There's even a West Wing episode that talks about this.

[brooklynite]

6. ...but who signed a joint tundraising agreement with the DNC.

Add to which, doesn't Sanders need to get House and Senate candidates elected to implement his policies?

[bigtree]

16. right

...to my point.

[hobbit709]

3. I'm sure the party will get plenty of money from it's corporate owners.

[bigtree]

20. why would anyone associate themselves with such a party?

...oh, wait.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/populist-bernie-sanders-running-democrat-challenging-hillary-clinton

[CorporatistNation]

36. THAT Is The REAL Deal!

Corporatists running roughshod over the people with their bought candidates feeding US pablum... "Let THEM Eat Cake!"

[senz]

41. Please be careful.

Your comment upthread got a hide. Needless to say, some are very restless today, looking to alert anything and everything. Here are the jury results:

On Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

WTF Do You Know?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=968231

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive insult.

JURY RESULTS

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I was juror #7. Please, CN, don't reply to them in full anger. We need you here.

[Thinkingabout]

4. No money for the party, wow.

[jkbRN]

14. --

[NurseJackie]

5. What do you make of this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/683334564094164993

[joshcryer]

7. Link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-campaign-raised-33m-october-36056246

Clinton shored up the COH disadvantage, I was wrong. Sanders has $28 million cash on hand.

Tidied up the spending (or I guess really raised funds significantly more than last quarter).

[BlueCheese]

13. Pretty impressive from both candidates.

I wonder how their combined $70 M compares with the total on the GOP side.

Also, Sanders reported $25 M cash on hand at the end of Q3. If he has $28 M cash on hand now, that suggests he spent roughly 90% of what he raised. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing this is what a maturing campaign looks like.

Raising $0 for the Democratic Party is not a good sign, of course.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

19. Impressive numbers, but Sanders raised zero dollars for the Democratic party...

Hillary Clinton raised 18 million for the DNC and state parties. No matter how you spin it, it doesn't look good for Senator Sanders.

[Metric System]

21. I'm sure down-ticket Dems know which candidate they'd like at the top.

[nc4bo]

44. DNC didn't seem all that concerned during The Great Tea Party/GOP mid-terms, where we had our

asses handed to us. Still can't figure out why.

GE down ticket has a better chance of riding on one of the Democrat's coat tails than during any mid-term.

[nc4bo]

27. Sounds excellent! Nt

[MADem]

28. He AGREED to raise money for the party.

So much for agreements, I guess.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259298-sanders-dnc-strike-fundraising-deal

[ProudToBeLiberal]

31. This is only going to fuel the fire that he doesn't care about the down ballot races

Also, some people are saying that he isn't a big D Democrat. Sanders raising zero dollars for the Democratic Party is only going to strengthen those accusations.

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. Sanders is available for DNC fundraising

"We remain happy to work with them," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Saturday, when asked about joint fundraising efforts. "The party hasn't given us any dates for events."

One main factor should be obvious. Both Clinton and Sanders, of course, believe they will be the ultimate nominee. A well funded DNC can be helpful in winning the Presidential election. Clinton has a large number of donors to her campaign who are legally maxed out in what they can donate directly to her. But it is giving to a different pot for those donors to also help fund the DNC - a pot that they can hope will ultimately help elect Hillary. Bernie has almost none of his donors who have legally maxed out what they can give directly to him, so it makes sense they would still be directing their funds to him.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

34. So, Sanders campaign isn't taking a proactive approach to helping the Democratic and state parties.

He could have directed his supporters to donate, but he didn't. Hillary Clinton raised 18 million for the Democratic Party, which will help down ballot races.

[Sheepshank]

47. I've been saying this for months...Bernie will not Party build

And in fact is actively hurting the Democratic Party. When I first raised the issue, I got a lot of feedback from Bernie Supportrs. Many along the lines of, "the DNC deserves it" or "this is no longer the Democratic party" or "Bernie is the real Democrat not the DNC". Seems like there was a lot of chest thumping going on with regards to trying the demolish the Democratic Party.

[uponit7771]

58. Could you elaborate on this? How could Sanders actually do more harm than good if he gets the nod?

[TekGryphon]

38. $18 million vs $0 for the greater progressive cause is hard to argue with

I'm starting to wonder if this race is making Bernie as bitter and angry as some of his supporters.

I hope not. We can do without many of Bernie's militant "I want my pony" supporters, but the nation needs Bernie and his progressive vision.

[Tom Rinaldo]

42. Pardon me if I am suspicious of DNC current leadership

I find it pretty interesting that they have shown no active interest in arranging for any joint fundraising events with the Sanders campaign. Maybe there is bad blood now flowing both ways. If so that wouldn't exactly surprise me. But I trust Sanders to do what is right for the American people. If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination he will help work to elect her while remaining true to his vision. He has run a very civil campaign against Clinton to the point where I have seen several high profile political pundits conclude that he isn't really running to win because of his avoidance of hard hitting negative attacks on Clinton.

We can also do without more slurs against supporters of any of our candidates. It helps nothing and only spreads more bad blood. There are strident supporters of all major political figures, we all tend to notice the ones who oppose the people who we support. Qualifying a put down by saying "some" or "many" instead of "all" doesn't make it all better. The vast majority of supporters of any of our candidates are good people with good Democratic values who will be fully with us on election day.

[uponit7771]

59. Hasn't Sanders been flinging at them from the side for years now? tia

[MADem]

49. He PROMISED and he PLEDGED. And that was a while ago.

He couldn't do ONE lousy rubber chicken dinner? Damn.

[Eric J in MN]

50. All three candidates did dinners for the IA and NH Democratic Parties. NT

NT

[MADem]

51. That's not DNC fundraising for downtickets--those are state shindigs, and they benefit the candidate

who shows up.

He signed an agreement to fundraise for the DNC. You can look it up.

I'm stunned that he didn't do ANY appearances--even one or two.

[Eric J in MN]

54. It's not the DNC, but it does help downballot in those states. NT

NT

[MADem]

56. There are fifty states, and Sanders AGREED to fundraise.

I'm shocked he hasn't done ANY events. That's just not good optics for him, especially after all the hoopla that accompanied his signing up to do just this.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

29. For those asking for a link; here's an article to the WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/02/bernie-sanders-raises-more-than-33-million-in-latest-fundraising-quarter/

[tritsofme]

32. An incredibly impressive pull. Kudos to Sanders campaign.

[artislife]

39. Good numbers

Any surprise there was no money raised for the Party? His supporters are by passing the party to send money directly to Sanders and other candidates that they support. Cut out the middleman and their directives.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

40. Hillary Clinton is trying to replicate Dean's 50 state strategy.

The Democratic party and especially state parties need an infusion of cash if we want to elect Democrats on down ballot races.

[artislife]

45. If we support our local candidates, they will listen to the people, not the machine. nt

[pangaia]

57. Looks to me like she has a 32 state strategy.

[senz]

43. We the people need this good man in the presidency.

And he, as a totally non-bribeable candidate, needs every cent we can send him. He doesn't have a big corporate cushion to fall back on. One of the reasons we support him.

[Agschmid]

53. Do you feel that Hillary is bribe-able?

[hobbit709]

60. Let us say she has negotiable virtue.

[brooklynite]

62. No, let's not

If you believe Clinton would be corrupt ad President, have the guts to say it. Otherwise, your comment is a wasted read.

[hobbit709]

67. See reply #65.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. Bribe-able... no. Buyable? Yes.

[Eric J in MN]

52. Misleading

...to say, "no money raised for the Party."

The Democratic Party includes the DNC and the state parties.

Bernie Sanders hasn't raised money for the DNC yet, but he has done events for state parties. All 3 candidates were at the Jefferson-Jackson dinners in IA and NH.

[brooklynite]

61. Tru, but as you point out, Clinton was there as well...

...she's gone the extra mile by specifically raising money under her joint fundraising agreement. If Sanders has one, why doesn't he implement it?

[Eric J in MN]

63. Two possible reasons

- He wants to focus on the primaries at this time.

- He doesn't want to use the structure of the "Hillary Clinton Victory Fund:" asking people to donate $30,000, for example, and taking the first $2,700 for his campaign. But he hasn't decided on another structure.

[postatomic]

64. Which included paying off the debt from 2012

Re: no money raised for the Party

That would be the Democratic Party.

Impressive numbers for Sanders. (I was going to say something funny here, but sense of humor is in short supply 'round here)

[RichVRichV]

66. How much could Bernie raise for the party

If he uses the Hillary model of the first $2700 goes to his campaign before donating to the party?


During the third quarter "just 270 of Sanders' 680,959 campaign donors gave the maximum $2,700 they're allowed to give during the primary".


I'm going to bet the last quarter didn't have too many more maxing out. That doesn't leave him many chances to raise money for the party.

[Lans]

68. He can raise for the DNC

after the leadership of the DNC steps down and actual progressives who want to win midterm elections come into the fold.