Hillary raised $18 million for the Democratic party; Bernie raised nothing for other Dems.

[pnwmom]

This is in addition to the similar sums they raised for themselves. ($37M vs. $34M)

How will any Democratic President succeed in office without more Democrats in Congress?

ON EDIT: The Sanders campaign says it "plans" to raise money for the National party.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/02/bernie-sanders-raises-more-than-33-million-in-latest-fundraising-quarter/

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Saturday that he raised more than $33 million for his primary campaign in the final quarter of 2015, just shy of the $37 million that Hillary Clinton reported a day earlier.

The take of the Vermont senator, however, lags further behind Clinton's overall haul of $55 million for the past three months, which also included $18 million earmarked for the Democratic party -- money that would help bolster her prospects in the general election. Sanders did not report raising any money for the party during the three-month period.

http://news.yahoo.com/sanders-campaign-says-raised-33m-since-october-170112956--election.html

But Clinton is also helping build the party for the general election. She raised $18 million for the Democratic National Committee and state Democratic parties nationwide in the fourth quarter, putting her total haul for the past three months at $55 million. The DNC money is aimed at helping Clinton in the general election should she win the party's nomination.

Sanders, by comparison, did not raise any money for the DNC last year, although his campaign has said it plans to fundraise on behalf of the national party.

[polichick]

1. Did she raise money for Dems or "Dems" - two different things.

[KittyWampus]

2. When it comes time to pass laws, they most certainly aren't "two different things".

Only an ideologue would argue against raising money to get MORE elected Democrats into office.

But the Bern must have a magic wand that doesn't require Congress to pass laws.

[polichick]

7. I recall the people giving both houses of Congress and the WH to "Dems"...

How did that work out?

[KittyWampus]

8. When did they ever have anything other than the slimmest margins?

Was that when Obama was elected and Ted Kennedy got sick and couldn't vote?

[polichick]

10. Excuses, excuses. "Dems" are not Dems - thankfully, people are getting that.

[KittyWampus]

16. LOL! Reality isn't an "excuse".

[Agschmid]

46. ...

Lordy.

[polichick]

50. Wake up to reality - Blue Dog "Dems" and their pals in the WH...

had quite a different agenda than Dem voters at the time - who got conned and then screwed.

Happily, more and more voters see the game for what it is now.

[CorporatistNation]

112. Aptly Described....

Just call it "The Money Party!"

[GoneFishin]

229. Blue Dogs are moles inside the Democratic Party. At least we can all agree that Republicans

are the enemy. Blue Dogs roam freely among us then stab us when our backs are turned.

Fuck 'em.

[zeemike]

111. And it will never be enough.

The margin is too slim and always will be.
In the senate there was a clear majority, but one Repug could stop it with a filibuster...not a real one but just by saying he would. And that was our excuse.

But it never worked the other way around...no Dem could say he would filibuster and kill a bill.

Just one excuse after the other...no wonder why we lose all the time.

[pnwmom]

12. That never happened. Joe Lieberman was an Independent during

the short period of time we were closest. And his vote with the Democrats wasn't reliable.

[polichick]

34. Blue Dog "Dems" were also unreliable, and WH support was unreliable...

That's why so many people now see the difference between "Dems" and Dems.

More power to them - the people, that is!

[pnwmom]

55. The people won't have any power unless they're represented in Congress.

And Bernie hasn't been helping to make sure more Dems are.

[polichick]

57. Corporate "Dems" represent corporate interests, thus the designation.

[pnwmom]

63. With Bernie's supporters help, non-"corporate Dems" can be elected.

How else do you expect him to carry out his agenda? Why isn't he at least seeking out compatible Dems and helping to support them?

[polichick]

68. I don't know that he isn't - or won't. What I do know is that not one penny...

of my donations is going to "Dems" - meaning con artists with a D behind their names - ever again.

[JDPriestly]

97. I'm with you. Right now, I am giving to Bernie.

Let him decide which other Dems he wants in Congress.

[mythology]

170. I'd like you to go ahead and find these "unreliable" elected officials

There was exactly 1 Democratic member of the House in the previous session of Congress who voted with the party less that 60% of the time and he voted with the party 59% of the time. That member is in a highly Republican state and was voted out.

In the 112th Congress, 4 Democrats voted with the party less than 60% of the time. Of those, 3 are in highly Republican states and were voted out.

In the 111th Congress where we had the majority, no Democrats voted with the party less than 70% of the time (excepting Kristen Gillibrand who moved to the Senate very early in the term).

In the 110th Congress where we had the majority, no Democrat voted with the party less than 80% of the time.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/114/house/members/

The it is factually undeniable that there is more partisanship in Congress than any time in recent memory. If there are so many "unreliable" Democrats that wouldn't be the case.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

http://www.realclearscience.com/journal_club/2015/04/24/political_partisanship_in_three_stunning_charts_109196.html

The evidence is clear. And it's clear that the parties are simply further apart and more polarized. There simply isn't this large number of "Dems" no matter how much you want to believe that to be true.

[enid602]

61. Lieberman

We saw how Lieberman turned out after he lost his VP bid.

[thesquanderer]

58. It didn't last long

there were only two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:

From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman’s challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedy’s illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and
From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);
For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

from http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

[polichick]

82. So much could have been done for the people if the agenda had matched the voters' agenda.

[1StrongBlackMan]

109. It worked out well for those without insurance ...

And with pre-conditions. Thanks for asking

[polichick]

129. Not anywhere near as well as it would have with the public option...

that the people wanted and corporate "Dems" did not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

138. But far better than what we had. The public option ...

was going no where ... even Bernie recognized that.

[polichick]

142. Only because "Dems" are not Dems - which is the point.

[1StrongBlackMan]

166. No ... only because America was not ready for it. eom.

[polichick]

168. American corporations weren't ready - the people were, and still are.

[1StrongBlackMan]

174. Okay. n/t

[seabeyond]

203. Do you know, how many people I meet up with here in Texas, hurting. Hurting to have an

affordable health care and cover their actual medical expenses, that make under 30k a year? And how many of those snark at ACA without checking it out to see how much more affordable it is, here in Texas. A state that did not take advantage of the Federal buy in.

Because they have been condition to see this program as bad, one way or another, they are fuckin cutting their nose off to spite their face.

I now have a job where I deal with medical insurance claims. I have discussed with so many not having insurance, that would have such an advantage with ACA.

I mean, I do not know what this has to do with your post, but over the last couple months, and seeing the cost of ACA care, I am just shocked as shit at these people that have not taken advantage of it.

[Armstead]

211. The Corporate Democratic position never tries to sell truly....

.....Fair and universal health coverage. And the distinction of COrporate Democrats on that issue is important. There were Democrats who pushed for it, but got sandbagged by Obama and the other leadership who were determined to kill public insurance in favor of enforced private market mandates.

Institutionally the Democrats have been too corrupt and/or cowardly to push to advance true universal healthcare. The Clintons screwed it up in the early 90s, then abandoned it....Then Obama revived it, but in a bastardized form that combined the Worst of both private insurance and a "socialist" bureaucracy.

Sorry if that sound harsh, but IMO it is unforgivable that the Democrats have never even embraced a compromise system that would offer income-based healthcare as a basic right, without the terms being dictated by private insurance, big pharma and the corporate healthare providers.

[Skwmom]

19. Democrats that pass laws for the people versus Corporate owned "Democrats"

that pass laws for the corporations and 1%. There is a hell of a difference when it comes time to pass laws.

[hughee99]

36. We don't have single payer because there are Dems

And there are "dems". The whole thing passed without a single republican vote. The reason we have the current system is because the "dems" wouldn't go along with it. So yeah, there's a difference.

[JRLeft]

42. There people here who truly believe the democratic party isn't corrupted by industry.

[Agschmid]

53. And there are people here who think electing one person,

to one third of our federal government is going to change all of that, this is about more than the presidency and only one candidate...

Equally befuddling things...

[JRLeft]

59. No I am tired of the status quo, it's fucking stupid to do the same thing over and over again,

when it's a proven loser. Corporate democrats suck.

[Agschmid]

64. Well just FYI electing someone who has been in politics for basically ever...

Is...

Wait for it...

You guessed it...

The status quo.

Want change? Start pounding the pavement like I do every Saturday, talk to people, get involved from the ground up, and think about more than just the candidate for president.

This year there is a whole lot of things that matter beyond that.

[JRLeft]

78. Voting for the same industry slanted policies is status quo.

You support watered down garbage policies as long as has a crumb for the 99%.

[Agschmid]

83. So status quo for both of us then?

Sure seems like.

[JRLeft]

85. Hillary or Donald will be better for I than Bernie, but this isn't about me it's

about future generations.

[Agschmid]

87. Proofread and get back to me please...

[JRLeft]

89. No I understand exactly what you said, but try again.

I also no what I wrote.

[Agschmid]

92. So you are supporting Hillary or Donald then?

As they will be better "for I"?

I'll wait.

[JRLeft]

96. If you cannot understand what I said then get help.

[Agschmid]

98. Okay just to review this is EXACTLY what you said...

85. Hillary or Donald will be better for I than Bernie, but this isn't about me it's
about future generations.

Noted.

[UglyGreed]

75. You have to start somewhere

[GoneFishin]

230. You hit on another reason why BO tried so hard to get at least one Repuglican on board ACA. They

passed a conservative bill and hoped to have a Republican to blame for it.

[rynestonecowboy]

134. KittyWampus

I think the major problem with any of these arguments about Sanders not being a democrat or not helping the party is they are very shortsighted. If anyone thinks that raising a boatload of money automatically means we get a democratic congress again is very naive. Did we not pay attention to the last midterm or the election before that? This election can't be bought. Look the the conservatives and the presidential election, they will eventually spend way more money than Dems and we all know how the election will turn out and its not pretty for them. In 2008 we heard a nation that was ready for a progressive agenda and we elected a longshot. We've come a long way but not far enough for most americans and I believe we will see people raise their voice once again and I hope Sanders is the progressive we all know him to be.

[comradebillyboy]

150. Ah yes, lets shrink the big tent and make the pary narrower

that should help with liberal causes. We don't need more purity tests we need more Democrats even if they are a bit conservative for your taste. We win elections by expanding the party in a two party system.

[CAG]

178. ....and we make fun of repugs cuz of their litmus

Tests

[CAG]

179. I'd like to have some of those "dems" in

My state's congressional contingent rather than all of the d$&@ inhofe clones that fill all of our seats

[Ferd Berfel]

215. HIllary is getting 'easy' money from Wall Street and transnational Corporations

It's a lot easier. Which is why BIll and the cabal took the party from the people and sold the party to corporate Oligarchy.

[arcane1]

3. "money that would help bolster her prospects in the general election" means her prospects.

Sanders has already earned my vote, while Clinton hasn't earned it.

Based on her policies, she's unlikely to earn it.

Raising more money isn't going to change anyone's mind, including mine. Substance is what matters.

[KittyWampus]

9. No, actually the ability to get things done while elected matters. Otherwise

all you've got is an ideologue spouting off.

[JDPriestly]

105. You mean, like Obama has gotten things done????

Not much, and the funding machine for Congress has been busily pumping money for so-called Democrats the entire time.

We need a better message if we want to win Congress.

Bernie's got it.

Hillary may have the cash donations, but she does not have a message.

Not a strong enough one.

Everything she talks about is sort of a watered down version of Bernie's message.

Except for on gun control, and on that one issue, the laws have been proposed and not passed. And Hillary is not going to change that fact.

Because on gun control, the problem is our culture and not just our laws. Does not good to pass laws if the culture does not respect them. And our culture focuses on violence as a means of solving disputes. Just look at the popular movies in our country.

The money to support our Democrats in Congress, with the exception of a few of them, will just continue the trend -- voter apathy, laws that don't fit us and don't solve our problems, corporate rule, a devastated environment and terrible employment relationships between bosses and employees. Supporting our current Congress will not solve any of those problems.

[KittyWampus]

144. Not much? LOL! All of us who got Obamacare and finally got problems attended to

think that was a heck of a lot.

And I'd post everything else he managed to get through with a hostile Congress but you obviously don't care.

[JDPriestly]

195. As I said in response to the other response to my post, Obama accomplished a lot

during the first couple of years and then was stopped by the Republicans.

He did not call on us or the unions to support him strongly. We lost mid-terms in 2010 and 2014. We should have done better than we did.

Obama was handed an opportunity to stand up for working people and fight conservatives like Scott Walker, but he didn't take it.

Obama missed that opportunity to stand for unions and working people because, when he got to D.C., he surrounded himself with Blue dog and relatively conservative Democrats and instead of fighting the conservatives, the right-wing, Obama tried to compromise with them. He could have fought them if he had been willing to attack economic inequality issues and supported working people more.

Bernie is willing to take on the issues and struggle against the right-wing political views that Obama failed to take on.

[comradebillyboy]

154. Eight years ago Obama was the way, the truth and the light

now he is the anti-Christ. He's only human and constrained by the environment in which he operates. He actually exceeded my rather low expectations. He certainly has plenty of flaws but his administration has been relatively successful. Little things like fending off a new depression and saving the American auto industry count for a lot in my book.

[JDPriestly]

192. The first couple of years were good. Then . . . the Republicans completely

obstructed him, and he did not turn to us to really support him. He turned to corporations to support him rather than, say to union members. Union members who were struggling for rights in Wisconsin.

[pnwmom]

14. The party is free to use the money to support Democrats up and down the ticket. nt

[zalinda]

122. And that's the problem

When the DNC is unashamedly backing Hillary, why should Bernie supporters want to support likewise candidates down ticket. I hear that really good progressive candidates have been stabbed in the back to get less progressive candidates on the ballot. I can't or won't support that kind of party (think DWS and others) manipulation, when my life is on the line.

Z

[pnwmom]

124. Because if they don't improve the numbers in Congress, all Bernie's promises

will amount to nothing.

The election will be decided in 9 months, and Bernie will be stuck with whatever Congress we get. He should be doing everything he can to make sure it's a Congress that will want to work with him -- not the Rethug Congress we have now.

[MohRokTah]

4. Again, this is why Sanders doesn't stand a chance.

He has no real inside network in the Democratic Party and thus could never get anything done if elected president.

I doubt he'd be successful in vetoing any legislation that landed on his desk because of the Democratic support that will be required to get such legislation to his desk.

[Bleacher Creature]

38. +1!

[redstateblues]

43. Don't you think shouting at Congress

Would get a lot done?

[MohRokTah]

45. Considering the guy has been yelling at Congress for more than two decades...

I don't see how it would be more effective if he yelled at them from the White House instead of from the floor of the House or Senate.

[thesquanderer]

66. Seriously?

You don't see how a President can be more effective than a Senator? In being able to negotiate from a position of actually being able to almost automatically bring along the rest of his party? In being able to pretty much single-handedly deliver on his horse-trading proposals? In influencing public opinion? Come on.

[rynestonecowboy]

113. It's too late for them......

HRC supporters like above have been given their marching orders from the establishment and they are afflicted by the same syndrome that faux news viewers suffer from. This site was once really just full of liberals who couldn't stand the noise coming from the other side and came here to discuss real issues like adults. I, Like many others, are continued to be shocked by the constant mindless extremely tired talking points as to why a right of center Democrat should earn my vote in the primary. Are these the same people that bashed BHO in 2008 and feel it's their candidates turn, are they paid by her staff to shake things up, have they already picked their horse and refuse to evaluate any valid criticism?

[rbrnmw]

199. Welcome Back

[JDPriestly]

106. And do you think that Hillary's money will do anything but further entrench

the status quo which is that Congress passes legislation that helps the wealthy and corporations but not legislation that helps the ordinary American people, the erstwhile middle class.

I don't.

If money for Congress could solve the problems of our country, we would already be problem-free.

The problem with our Congress is not a lack of campaign funds, but a lack of Democrats who are willing to take on the challenges of the very, very wealthy and stand up for the middle class and for the poor, for small businesses and for working people.

Money is not the problem.

Hillary's money will just further entrench the incompetent in Congress. We need people who are close to and represent the middle class to run against the incompetent members of Congress. Hillary is not going to give her money to unseat Democrats who should not be in Congress.

[riversedge]

126. Meanwhile Hillary is fundraising to get Dems downticket elected and building a 50 state

infrastructure with the money she has raised---This 50 state strategy will help with the downticket Dems in the coming year.

[MohRokTah]

165. And that's how Hillary has built networks within the Democratic Party for decades.

Meanwhile, nobody in the Democratic Party owes Sanders diddly squat because he doesn't help get Democrats elected all over the country.

[LiberalLovinLug]

132. Gee I wonder how this happened then?

Fact: Bernie Sanders Got More Done in the Senate than Hillary Clinton

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

[KittyWampus]

5. I just saw the article on how much Hillary has raised for down-ticket candidates.

That is a job well done. And much appreciated.

[Punkingal]

23. Also in the article....

The take of the Vermont senator, however, lags further behind Clinton's overall haul of $55 million for the past three months, which also included $18 million earmarked for the Democratic party -- money that would help bolster her prospects in the general election.

[Eric J in MN]

37. A Daily Kos poster characterized the money

...Hillary Clinton raised for the Democratic Party as money for down-ticket candidates.

In actuality, some of that money will be spent on Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee.

[frazzled]

147. It will be spent on bolstering *any* candidate who wins the nomination

So if Sanders wins the nomination, it will be spent bolstering his candidacy. Which would be damned nice of them, considering he spends most of his time criticizing the party and raising no money for Democratic candidates--the only ones, btw, who might possibly help to get any of his plans put into law. He claims he is now a Democrat, yet he is still listed as "I" on the Senate website and doesn't mention the Democratic Party on his own website at all. Very ungracious (and not politically astute, imo). He's using the party for his own personal gain, and kicking them to the curb in the process.

[INdemo]

6. No, this is false. Hillary Clinton corodinated with the DNC

to help raise funding for the Democratic Party. You make it sound as if Hillary did this all by herself.
Also the Bernie Sanders campaign offered to help raise money for the DNC but was not given a schedule of events.
In other words DWS told the Sanders Campaign this was Hillary spot in the headlines.
So read the entire article and don't pick out the parts you need to try and discredit the Sanders Campaign

[KittyWampus]

11. Quote "Sanders has not replicated those efforts"

While Clinton has coordinated with the National Democratic Committee to raise an additional $18 million, Sanders has not replicated those efforts, despite an arrangement with the national party that allows him to do so.

And typical for the amateur campaign we have a Sanders spokeman passing the buck/making excuses/blaming the DNC:


"We remain happy to work with them," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Saturday, when asked about joint fundraising efforts. "The party hasn't given us any dates for events."

[MoonRiver]

13. I'm sure he could have contacted the campaigns on his own.

My guess is they didn't want him campaigning for them.

[INdemo]

118. It was all about DWS

"Also the Bernie Sanders campaign offered to help raise money for the DNC but was not given a schedule of events."

This was all about DWS wanting to try and discredit Bernie Sanders.
Don't forget Debbie Wassermann Schultz is in the tank for Hillary so any thing she does to discredit the Sanders campaign is good for her candidate,Right?

But it "ain't" working Hillary fans.

[MoonRiver]

180. Sorry, not buying it.

[pnwmom]

15. Please provide links for your claims. What stops Bernie

from fundraising for the DNC? I get emails from Hillary asking for money for the DNC, and Hillary has long been a fundraiser for other candidates. Why doesn't Bernie do that?

[KittyWampus]

20. it's in the article. Sanders spokesman blaming the DNC:

While Clinton has coordinated with the National Democratic Committee to raise an additional $18 million, Sanders has not replicated those efforts, despite an arrangement with the national party that allows him to do so.

snip

"We remain happy to work with them," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Saturday, when asked about joint fundraising efforts. "The party hasn't given us any dates for events."

[pnwmom]

22. He is fully capable of contacting other Dems on his own to offer his support. nt

[Punkingal]

32. No chance they are speaking the truth, is there?

[riversedge]

33. umm. Wonder if the Sanders staff made an

initiatives to get the joint fundraising going? They did have time to wonder into Clinton's data --and sue the DNC--which takes money.

[rynestonecowboy]

116. wow

You folks have gotten really vicious lately. Is it because everyday that passes this is looking more and more like 2008?

[riversedge]

123. Just a guestion and

a fact.

[rynestonecowboy]

136. Not sure I would call them facts already.

[riversedge]

177. Just found this tweet that is related to the fact

Hillary Clinton Outraises Bernie Sanders in Q4. Sanders Raises Nothing for Dem Party http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/2/1465523/-Hillary-Clinton-Outraises-Bernie-Sanders-in-Q4-Sanders-raises-nothing-for-Dem-Party … ?1451772340 … #p2

[Cha]

218. Mahalo rivers!

[Gloria]

80. Of course, he would blame the DNC....oh, but they knew how

to gain access to the voter files, knew THAT process (payment etc.) but can't discuss the dates for joint fundraising?

I call bull on this...

I got one email Months ago from the Senate Committee with his name on it...so, he's got SOME in on the dates for things that go out....I think it's just more excuses from the Devine crowd re: the DNC dates....

BTW, I never signed up for Sanders and yet on DEC 4, 2015 got an email from Sanders' campaign asking for $$

How?

[rynestonecowboy]

117. The same happened to me but in reverse...

I get a Bernie email about everyday and out of nowhere a few weeks ago I have been bombarded by HRC asking for money when I have shown no desire to support her nomination.

[A Simple Game]

49. It sounds like Hillary is actually asking people to donate money to the DNC

so it can use it to bribe super delegates instead of using her own funds.

Despicable, I hope not too many are falling for this ruse. One more way the DNC is favoring Hillary.

[Agschmid]

84. Bribe super delegates?

Any facts to back that up or are we just making it up?

[A Simple Game]

185. No facts but if you think any of that money will go to delegates

that back Bernie and are up for reelection, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Agschmid]

187. So we are just making it up.

Got it.

[A Simple Game]

188. Whatever makes you feel better about your candidate. n/t

[Agschmid]

189. I feel fine, at least I don't have to make stuff up.

[A Simple Game]

196. Make stuff up? Perhaps not, but I can see where a selective memory would be handy.

In your next post please tell us how much money you think super delegates that support Bernie will get from the DNC.

[Agschmid]

204. I'll let you do the leg work...

Thanks foray least giving up on the made up stuff.

[A Simple Game]

206. It's OK, I knew you wouldn't answer the question. Would have required taking off the blinders. n/t

[Agschmid]

210. A skill we could all learn.

[nc4bo]

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[A Simple Game]

184. Thanks for posting the results. The natives are touchy tonight aren't they.

That people don't consider a donation from one candidate to another could be a bribe is surprising.

Well at least I'm not a liberal anymore, it seems I have, in someone's opinion improved to being a right wing troll.

Must be many don't think the DNC would use that money to support the super delegates that just happen to back Hillary and are up for reelection. In my world that is a bribe, I may be wrong.

Surprising how many don't understand the games played by politicians.

[nc4bo]

186. Always.

I'll tell you this, it takes a lot for me to vote to hide something. This wasn't one of 'em, not even close.

I do know that some of us are sick and tired of the games, the theater, the pay-to-play and the status quo.

Change was in the air in '08. Here we are 8 years later and the scent of change has grown even stronger.

Just my lil ole humble opinion though. There are many here who would disagree.

[riversedge]

212. Bernie has the same agreement. Will you say Bernie is bribing delegates?? Just asking.

[Blue_Adept]

18. It's all someone else's fault

Poor Sanders and his team couldn't figure out how to get things moving.

And everyone kept it a secret.

Because, you know, political types never, ever, talk about what's going on.

[riversedge]

21. Bernies staff needs to get off their duffs and get raising money for other Dems. No excuses

or placing blame on the DNC will do.

[LuvLoogie]

114. The DNC didn't register voters at Sanders' rallies, either.

[riversedge]

17. The WH is the prize for Hillary but she knows she needs Democrats in Congress

to help her achieve her goals. Raising money for them is the way to get them into Congress. Thanks you Hillary. And a note to Sanders--get busy and raise some money for other downticket Democrats. It is the right thing to do NOW! Your staff is not serving you by not getting the arrangements set up.

[workinclasszero]

24. Not surprising

Bernie was always proud of not being a democrat.

[mhatrw]

25. TV ads won't get a disillusioned base to polls to vote for more of the same.

Real hope for a government not completely of the top 1% by the top 1% and for the top 1% will get young people, Democrats and progressive independents to the polls in full force.

Unfortunately for all of us who hate Republicans, money can't buy Hillary love. Just look at all she has spent in New Hampshire and Iowa to date.

[redstateblues]

47. Nice deflection. I guess Bernice is only raising $

For all the down ballot Socialists

[mhatrw]

110. Better than DWS

Let's make Democrats for the 99% again!

[rynestonecowboy]

119. This is it.

You are exactly right! I can't hear anything from the HRC side because its being drown out by the enthusiasm of millennials that have never voted and most progressives who have felt like they've been left at the alter for the last eight years. Voter turnout is what wins sweeping elections, the Democratic party should be very happy that so many people are "feeling the Bern" because this will only help other races where there is a (D) in front of someones name. If HRC supporters are so sure that she will win the nomination and are disgusted in Sanders supporters, tell me why do you waste all your time on DU arguing? It's a done deal right?

[Autumn]

26. "We remain happy to work with them," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs

said Saturday, when asked about joint fundraising efforts. "The party hasn't given us any dates for events." Now I wonder why dear old DWS hasn't given them any dates for events? I think I got that figured out.

[Punkingal]

28. yeah, but all any of the other candidate supporters here will say is Sanders campaign is whining.

No chance they are telling the truth.

[Proserpina]

41. That's right! Bernie IS winning!

(corrected your typo, there)

[Punkingal]

48. Ha!

Cute!

[pnwmom]

29. They can send emails to supporters asking them to donate to national and state parties.

And they can set up events themselves.

I get emails from Hillary asking for money for the party. Why hasn't Bernie been sending similar emails out?

[Lordquinton]

149. Why is the DNC refusing to work with Sanders on anything?

Why does DWS campaign for Republicans?

[pnwmom]

151. They aren't. And Sanders could also work with the Senatorial campaign committee

and the House campaign committee, or with individual Democrats.

He says he "plans" to -- not that he can't.

[Lordquinton]

175. They're neglecting to provide him with he nessissary information

Required for him to work with them, he can't even crash a party if they forget to tell him when and where it is.

And you skipped the second part of the question: why does DWS campaign for Republicans?

[pnwmom]

176. The Senate Campaign Committee isn't run by DWS.

Why doesn't Bernie help them fundraise?

I know nothing about DWS campaigning for Republicans, and you provided no evidence to back your claim. Why should I comment on nothing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Senatorial_Campaign_Committee

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is the Democratic Hill committee for theUnited States Senate. It is the only organization solely dedicated to electing Democrats to the United States Senate. The DSCC's current Chairman is Senator Jon Tester of Montana, who succeeded Senator Michael Bennet following the United States Senate elections, 2014. The DSCC's current Executive Director is Tom Lopach, who is assisted by Deputy Executive Director Preston Elliott.

[Live and Learn]

27. I have no problem with that. I haven't donated to the party either this year. They haven't deserved

any money this year.

[pnwmom]

30. Then Bernie won't be able to accomplish his huge agenda. The current Congress

will block him.

[JRLeft]

44. Yay let's elect more bought and paid for democrats.

[pnwmom]

54. Why isn't Bernie even raising money for ones he believes in? If he's elected

he won't be able to wave a magic wand. He'll have to work with whatever Congress is in office.

[Live and Learn]

67. Plenty of time left for that after the primaries.

If Bernie doesn't win, I won't spend a penny since there will be no use. If he does, I will happily contribute to worthy Democrats.

[dorkzilla]

56. Nor will Hillary for that matter

No chance in hell she’ll get a thing done; her “own” party doesn’t like her, how do you think the Republicans are going to cooperate with her?

[Live and Learn]

65. +1000 nt

[pnwmom]

77. Which is WHY she's helping to raise money to elect more Dems.

She, unlike Bernie, seems to realize that a Democratic Congress is as important as a Democratic President.

And her own party is strongly in support of her. Her approval ratings are very high among Democrats in general -- just not here in this select group called DU.

[dorkzilla]

91. You are quite mistaken...

Look around you; go on ANY online forum and you’ll find the MAJORITY of Democratic voices against her. It is ridiculous to think its just here. She is a war hawk and a corporatists and the majority of the party are tired of the Clintons. Additionally, she CANNOT win without independent support and she isn’t about to get it.


But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

[pnwmom]

99. And who dominates online forums? Not average Democrats.

But keep telling yourself that the opinions of self-selected keyboarders mean more than the results of scientifically designed polls of random samples of voters, if it makes you feel better.

[dorkzilla]

115. Riiiiiight

Because ALL the people commenting on on-line forums are ALL Bernie supporters with multiple ID’s with nothing but time on their hands. Meanwhile, HRC has a proven track record of buying twitter followers and Facebook “likes” both as a candidate and as SOS.

http://www.adweek.com/prnewser/hillary-clinton-allegedly-has-more-than-2-million-fake-twitter-followers/112810

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/state-department-facebook-likes-spent-630000_n_3541734.html

Also if you think the fact that the House of Saud supporting her isn’t going to sink her into a whole pile of stinking shit after they beheaded 47 innocent people today you have another thing coming.

She has too much baggage.

[Live and Learn]

69. Bernie is counting on us and we will be there for him!

Besides, after the primaries there will be plenty of time to raise money. Until then, all mine goes to Bernie.

[MeNMyVolt]

31. And it's always somebody else's fault.

I find this not giving a crap about the party to be particularly irksome, but somehow unsurprising.

[seabeyond]

200. Unsuprising. But, ya.... particularly 'irksome'. Personally, I got a flash of pissed off.

Sigh. But, reading your post made me smile, and ... Breathe out.

I am a Democrat that fights for the Democratic party. We need the support in congress, the Supreme Court, and presidency. We need to be strong. And Sanders has thought of only one person, himself. Taken care of himself. Only about himself.

In so many ways.

It is always, someone else's fault.

[MeNMyVolt]

201. I'm new here, and don't know how to do the huggiee thing....

... but /huggiething. Thanks Sea.

[seabeyond]

202. ......

Thanks. I am just not surprised either, but man, I still sit here shaking my head. Amazed at the excuses on this thread.



Hit reply and there will be a bar that allows b =bold, excerpt, link, blockquote, and.... smilies. click on smilies, and you get your choice.

[Eric J in MN]

35. All three candidates spoke at the Iowa Democratic Party's Jefferson Jackson dinner

...which raised money for the Iowa Democratic Party.

All three candidates have done other events which raised money for state Democratic parties.

[Art_from_Ark]

226. Bernie attended a Democratic fundraiser at Martha's Vineyard last summer

and he was criticized on this forum by certain vociferous detractors for doing that.

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

[MisterP]

39. the DNC suddenly cares about getting Dems elected?

[rynestonecowboy]

131. I agree MisterP

I quit giving to those crooks after the last disastrous midterm where they were totally ineffective. I've always had a problem giving to them, but have, because I live in texas and for some reason the phone only works one way between here in there. I've seen countless candidates that had a shot at beating a republican being totally ignored by the DNC.

[Proserpina]

40. Bernie is doing the REAL work---he's bringing VOTERS to the Party

New voters, people who never voted before because they had no reason to believe they could improve America by voting; people who voted for other parties; people who gave up voting when they were tired of hoping for anyone to be a true voice for People, not Corporations....

and he's doing it by the most effective (and also the best use of resources) method: word-of-mouth, grassroots (not astroturf), and populist.

I'll put Bernie's Get Out the Vote against Hillary's $$$$ any day.

[redstateblues]

51. Real work? Bernie doesn't care about Democrats

Never has. He has always dissed the Democrats.

[Proserpina]

52. Bernie cares about people. 99% of them

Which group are you in?

[redstateblues]

60. That meme is so tired.

I'm one of the 99% that will be voting for our next President, Hillary Clinton.

[Proserpina]

62. Be careful what you wish for

[Live and Learn]

74. Really? Caring about the 99% is tired? Most of us don't think so.

Go ahead and vote for the status quo but I don't want to hear you complaining afterwards if she wins and your circumstances deteriorate.

[redstateblues]

155. My circumstances are not connected to politicians

If you think any politician is going to make your life great you will be disappointed. I am a lifelong Democrat and I think Obama has done an admirable job under difficult conditions. Before The disastrous Bush administration, we had 8 years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton. In this election I am voting for the person that is most qualified to be President. For me that is Hillary. I like Bernie. For a Socialist, he's a pretty good guy 😊In the unlikely event that he wins the nomination I would vote for him. I just afraid he's got too much baggage to win in the GE and the last thing we need is a Republican in the White House.

[R B Garr]

208. Bernie's all talk. How else do you explain a lifelong

so-called revolutionary who sat out 10 national elections amd never campaigned nationally until his mid-seventies. If he cared about people, he would have started this decades ago. But he didn't.

[Live and Learn]

71. Bernie will revolutionize the Democratic party. Sorry, but that is the truth! nt

[pnwmom]

100. He won't be able to accomplish any of his goals without a different Congress.

And so far he hasn't lifted a finger to help bring this about. But he has "plans."

[Live and Learn]

104. I guess we will find out. I think you are wrong. nt

[rynestonecowboy]

127. Please

Inform us where he has always dissed the Dems?

[Live and Learn]

70. Exactly, the job the DNC is supposed to do. Instead, they are trying to chase us out. nt

[sufrommich]

73. Did the Sanders campaign sign an agreement they didn't

understand?

[Live and Learn]

76. Did the DNC live up to the agreement? Nope! nt

[sufrommich]

79. How did the DNC not live up to the agreement? nt

[Live and Learn]

95. Read the article! nt

[Gloria]

94. PERHAPS...reading that he's bringing INDEPENDENTS...

so, how many of them are really Republican leaning? Or how many will vote?

[Proserpina]

101. Maybe they just can't stand the snobby status quo of the DNC/BlueDog/Corporatists

and so have registered their displeasure by not registering....until they found a good reason to do so.

[modestybl]

72. HRC raises money largely for corporatists...

... Sanders campaigns for progressives like Chuy Garcia in Chicago.

Sanders will boost the prospects of ALL progressive candidates all the way down the ticket by the enthusiasm of his supporters. He beats all Repubs more definitively than HRC, he will bring people to the polls...

The DNC has been nest to worthless ever since Howard Dean stepped down. Never give those jokers any money, and the leadership of DWS should be reason enough not to support that organization.

[sufrommich]

81. And yet the Sanders campaign sought out and

signed the fund raising agreement. Why?

[comradebillyboy]

161. So he could have access to the DNC voter data base

that the Democratic party paid for, not Bernie.

[baldguy]

88. Hillary understands that w/o a Democratic Congress, a Democratic President faces an uphill battle.

This simple fact is beyond the comprehension of Sanders, the Sanders campaign, and the majority of Sanders supporters.

[rynestonecowboy]

133. I'm sorry

but the DNC had a boatload of money for the last midterm and they didn't get squat done. This is going to take a candidate that inspires many non voters or first time voters and a majority of independents to swamp the polls and carry the ticket to a sweeping election. I'm only seeing enthusiasm from one campaign currently and it isn't HRC's.

[baldguy]

148. What we need is a President who can rely on Congress to support her policies.

Hillary has $18 million that proves she's got a good start on having that covered. That's how policies & campaign promises get turned into changes in the real world.

What's Bernie's plan to get Congress to do that? Hmm? The answer is that he has none.

You can have all the enthusiasm in the world, but if it doesn't translate into hard work, votes to elect Democratic candidates & legislation that can be passed in Congress, that enthusiasm is useless. Or worse than useless if it makes you think it's all you need to accomplish something.

[JDPriestly]

90. That's how Hillary buys her endorsements.

[RandySF]

93. So you're saying that Bernie won't raise money for other Dems?

Then my hunch that he's only using the party for his White House would be true.

[pnwmom]

102. How will Bernie get any legislation through Congress unless more Dems are elected?

Of course he recognizes the need. That's why they're now saying he has "plans" to help other Dems. Whatever that means.

[JDPriestly]

107. We need new, progressive Dems to run for a lot of the seats now held by

conservative Democrats.

Hillary's money will go to further entrench the status quo Dems who have utterly failed to inspire voters to even bother to vote.

We need fresh faces and ideas not money. We need voters who think they can actually improve their lives if progressive Democrats win.

We don't need money given to the campaigns of some of the members of Congress now there. Rather, we need to revitalize the Democratic bench in Congress. New faces who got there based on their ideas and not on Hillary's corporate donors' money.

[pnwmom]

108. Good luck on that without Bernie's help. If they're not already running,

they won't be in place when he takes office in 2017.

[tammywammy]

103. If Bernie doesn't want to raise money for the DNC and other democrats

Why did he make a fundraising agreement with the DNC?

[SoapBox]

120. Please post the content and actual agreement.

Since this is being tossed about...we would all like to see the actual "agreement".

Especially in light of how SUPPORTIVE the DNC/DWS have been for Bernie...not.

[pnwmom]

130. All he'd have to do is send an email to his supporters,

like I've gotten many times from Hillary, asking for help for other Dem candidates in the Senate and House.

How do you think he'll accomplish his huge promises without more Dems in Congress? He can't pass laws by himself.

[SoapBox]

121. And just out of curiousity, how much has Mr. O'Malley raised?

Since all the evils of the world are now Bernie's fault, don't ya know.

[pnwmom]

128. I don't think he's reported his numbers yet.

But the same thing goes for him. WHOEVER is elected will need a Democratic Congress and should be trying to hep bring that about.

[azurnoir]

125. one hand washes the other Thanks for explaining

[Plucketeer]

135. This OP

is a dumb-ass joke. Desperation spawns stretches of imagination.

REALLY wrankled my nerves awhile back when I got a solicitation from the DSCC asking for donations and touting Bernie's accomplishments as justification for donations! WTF?

[INdemo]

137. You are taking an issue about raising money for the DNC knowing

that DWS will not get within 10 miles of the Sanders campaign and knowing that DWS is in the tank for Hillary and trying to discredit Bernie Sanders when in fact the DNC is not about to allow the Sanders campaign to raise money for the DNC because Debbie wants Hillary to have all the credit.
Debbie did not supply the Sanders campaign any information about fundraising dates.

Shall we move on here children.

Obviously the Hillary campaign is nervous when they they try to make something out of nothing. Pretty much the
same strategy used by candidates in previous national elections/primaries.

[pnwmom]

139. You are pretending that it isn't possible for Bernie to bypass the DNC,

if he thinks that's the right thing to do, and simply support other Dems.

Why doesn't he support the Senate campaign committee? The House campaign committee? Or any individual Dems?

How do you think he'll get any of his promises and pipe dreams through the current Congress?

[Autumn]

140. This is why I have no problem if Bernie didn't fund raise for the democrats

if it were true but the party has used his name to send out fundraising letters.

[Historic NY]

141. She could have kept the 55 million she raised she didn't.

[INdemo]

153. She only helped to raise 18mill the rest was hers

That means everyone associated within the DNC raised the funding and DWS wanted to make sure her gal Hillary was the center of attention

[dpatbrown]

143. Not a penny!

I do not want any of my donations going to the DNC, not a penny. I haven't since 02, when many Dems voted to invade another country. I became an Independent. That might bother some of you, but it was unacceptable going to war. The Dems, too, knew what they were doing was wrong.

I will work very hard for Sanders, but WILL vote for Clinton, if necessary.

[pnwmom]

145. Well, that will really help Bernie when he finds himself in the White House

with the current Congress, because people like you think he can simply wave a magic wand and get legislation passed.



We need more Dems and progressives in Congress, and the critical election is 9 months away. He isn't helping if he hasn't explained that to people like you and asked you to do your part.

[dpatbrown]

146. First of all,

my part is MY part, and that is to get Bernie elected, period. The most Clinton will get from me is my vote, very reluctantly. Excuse me, but I'm an old pro at this, and I understand the possiblilities, just as I do with Clinton. But not to vote for someone because of how he might be received by Congress, is ridiculous. And no, the critical election is one month away. That will be the indicator.

"magic wand" , silly.

[pnwmom]

152. Getting Bernie elected, period, won't accomplish anything. He lacks a magic wand.

I agree, it's silly to think he has one, but that appears to be the belief of the supporters who don't understand the critical need for a Democratic Congress if he is to accomplish anything more important than naming Post Offices.

[dpatbrown]

162. I do agree with you,

concerning a Dem Congress. I'm not over-looking that. The GOP has caused havoc even since they took control. No matter if it's Sanders or Clinton, if the GOP is there, nothing will happen. That being said, I still wouldn't donate to the DNC, they are corrupt. You get your Dem to Congress, and I will get my Dem to Congress.

[pnwmom]

191. Why shouldn't he and his supporters help the Senate Campaign Committee?

That has completely different leadership, and it's the only org completely dedicated to helping Senate candidates.

[stevenleser]

190. Worse than accomplishing nothing. It will help foster the narrative that Democrats are incompetent

ideological gadflys. This is a narrative Republicans have been desperately trying to push since the last few months of the Carter administration.

[Tommy2Tone]

156. Why would he?

He's not a Democrat.

[jfern]

157. This is a ridiculous attack on Bernie

The reason he hasn't raised a lot of money for the DNC is that his donors aren't fat cats. Hillary is only raising money from maxed out donors As of the end of quarter 3, Hillary had raised $47 million from maxed out donors. Bernie had raised $700k.

http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/federal/president/2016/Pres16_Q3_Table2.pdf

[madfloridian]

158. Exactly...has to do with maxed out donors. Of which Bernie has few.

[pnwmom]

160. I am not even close to being maxed out, but I've received lots of requests

from Hillary to help with the Senate and House campaigns. Bernie could do the same.

Hillary, unlike Bernie supporters, understands how important it is to get more seats in Congress to have even a chance of passing strong progressive legislation.

[jfern]

163. That has nothing to do with the OP. That $18 million was all from people who maxed out to Hillary.

[pnwmom]

159. Reporting the truth isn't an attack. Some of his donors are capable of

sending their small checks to other Democrats. And if they don't, then he will have a very tough time getting any of his legislation through the current Congress.

[jfern]

164. Plenty do, but that has nothing to do with the OP.

[pnwmom]

167. It has everything to do with the OP. If he had sent any emails

to his supporters asking for donations to the Senate campaign committee or the House campaign committee, then he would have had some amount of fundraising for them to report.

Instead, his campaign only says that he "plans to."

[jfern]

169. Are you comparing to the Hillary victory fund?

Because that fund didn't give a dime to anyone else unless someone first maxed out to the Hillary campaign, and Bernie barely has any maxed out donors compared to Hillary.

[pnwmom]

171. No. I'm not even close to being maxed out but I've gotten lots of

fundraising requests from Hillary to help support other Dems. She realizes that she can't do it alone.

[jfern]

172. You're trying to change the subject. The $18 million was ONLY from maxed out donors.

[pnwmom]

173. Not true. They had to report all money they collected, including from people like me. n/t

[jfern]

182. Unless you gave more than $2700 to the Victory fund it was just for Hillary

Just a few hundred fat cats gave the $18 million.

[pnwmom]

183. Not true. When she campaigns for other people it goes to them. Bill Clinton

was in WA recently, and he's also campaigned for other Democrats. So have President Obama and Michelle.

[azmom]

181. Just be thankful he won't run as an independent.

[seabeyond]

198. That is now the only good thing about his candidacy. He isn't running third party.

And damn good thing he is consistently so far behind in the polls.

[azmom]

205. You're welcome.

[Logical]

193. You whine more than anyone. nt

[pnwmom]

194. Insult noted. You can't deny that she raised $18M for other Dems and he raised nothing.

So you resort to a personal attack.

Doesn't seem very logical. Seems rather emotional, really.

[seabeyond]

197. So, he did and does nothing for the Democratic party, as he ask for votes. No coattail ride for Dem

All about one person and one person only. Seems about right. No surprise. None at all. That takes guts to so blatantly use a party, and ask for the vote.

[riversedge]

213. Sanders and his supporters do not seem to understand that he, if nominated, will need other

Democrats to be elected to server in Congress to help pass this proposals. Hillary understands that.

[aikoaiko]

207. I'm ok with Bernie focusing on his own campaign.

He'll do fine as President with whatever Congress.

[pnwmom]

217. Dream on. n/t

[aikoaiko]

219. The status quo is a nightmare for too many people.

So yeah, I'll dream on.

[pnwmom]

220. If Congressional leadership doesn't change we are GUARANTEED the status quo.

Bernie won't have a magic wand to pass legislation with. He needs at least the Senate, and preferably both.

[aikoaiko]

221. I get it. An HRC presidency and HEC money might get a Dem congress

But it's not like that worked well with Bill Clinton or Obama.

You at have noticed Bernie is drawing in some conservatives and that could be a different strategy. It's not magic. - it's a different type of Democrat.

YMMV

[pnwmom]

222. Bernie getting some gun people to vote for HIM isn't going to change Congress. nt

[aikoaiko]

223. It's not just gun people.

You might remember that the origins of the Tea Party were conservatives who were against the corp bailouts. Fundies and whack jobs took over the Tea Party , you'd be surprised who is interested in supporting Bernie.

[pnwmom]

224. The non-Dems he gets to vote for him aren't going to vote a Democratic Congress in.

He doesn't even present himself as a Democrat, but as an Independent (except for the purpose of this election) so why should they switch parties and vote for other Democrats?

He should be getting out the message that it's not all about him. That Congress matters just as much. But he's not.

[aikoaiko]

225. I think he is helping Democrats in other ways

I know I'm not going to convince you of anything, but I wanted to speak out against conventional wisdom about this election

[Alfresco]

209. It's all about Bernie and his savior complex.

[Gothmog]

214. Support of the party will be critical in the general election

I am glad that Hillary Clinton is raising money for the party. All Democrats benefit when we have a strong party

[Cha]

216. Thank you, Hillary.. we need you as POTUS, and a Dem House and Senate.

[bowens43]

227. so?

[pnwmom]

228. So . . . he won't be able to keep his promises without more Dems in Congress.

And he's not been helping with that so far.

[basalat]

231. What do they need the money for?

All the Democrat politicians who complain about him not helping are far more likely to win with Bernie at the head of the ticket. Bernie can bring in many more Independents and Republicans. He's offering these same Democrat politicians a free ride. They are just so used to grovelling for money that they don't realize which side their bread is now buttered on.
With Mrs Clinton, I can certainly understand the need for money. With her at the head of the ticket, she's so unpopular that these people are going to need to fight much harder to get elected.

[pnwmom]

232. With all the other people whose support will be lukewarm with him on the ticket, he won't be

helping them nearly as much as you think.

And they know that, and that's all but a handful of elected super-delegates are supporter Hillary.