Parents of daughters support Hillary Clinton more than parents of sons

[Alfresco]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/01/05/parents-of-daughters-support-hillary-clinton-more-than-parents-of-sons/
Excerpt:

By John Sides January 5 at 8:00 AM

Clinton even began the first Democratic presidential debate back in October by using her introductory remarks to remind Americans that with her in the White House, “finally fathers will be able to say to their daughters, ‘You, too, can grow up to be president.’”

Clinton’s message about shattering the highest and hardest glass ceiling for all of the daughters in the country should have resonated with their parents. After all, a number of social science studies show that parents of daughters are more supportive of feminist positions than parents of only sons.

This effect of having daughters on political beliefs extends, remarkably, all the way up to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. Adam Glynn and Maya Sen have found that “conditional on the number of children a judge has, judges with daughters consistently vote in a more feminist fashion on gender issues than judges who have only sons.”

In light of those findings, we might also expect parents of daughters to be especially supportive of Hillary Clinton’s campaign to become the first female presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.
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[rjsquirrel]

1. That's me

My daughter and her friends (teenagers) are very excited about Hillary.

The misogyny towards her on this very board by supporters of her primary opponent, which is damn near as gross as the right wing version, is driving more and more people I know to support Hillary even more strongly. I know. I was a Sanders supporter until I realized too many of my fellow Sanders supporters were Invested in the usual right wing misogyny tropes. Not Bernie himself, but many of his ardent supporters are happy to dredge up the usual sexist attacks, including labeling her "HillBill."

[Green Forest]

8. I have been on this board for awhile and have not seen this.

Given Bill is actively campaigning for his wife, I do not see how "HillBill" (which I have never seen written by a DUer until you) is "sexist", given it is a celebrity type of appellation commonly used in journalism (see "Brangelina" or "Bennifer&quot .

[rjsquirrel]

34. Of course it's sexist

And I have called it out on DU before. It's Sexist because it makes her accountable to her husband's legacy.

It's also classist, because you're meant to add a "y."

But that's not the point. The list of misogynist slurs against Hillary is non-stop around here.

I'm telling you it's costing Sanders female supporters. And their allies. Believe it or not, we shall see when Hillary wins big, which she will.


Then y'all can analyze why.

[Green Forest]

36. I disagree 100%. I am an Obama Mama and have seen no evidence of what you claim are "non-stop mysogynisti can slurs."

Also, I consider myself a feminist but I could care less about gender politics in deciding who best represents my interests and that of my family.

[rjsquirrel]

37. None so blind

Lol

[Green Forest]

38. ... than those who have no proof of their claim.

I am not buying what you are peddling.

[PyaarRevolution]

9. Could care less about her being a woman.

I don't like her politics. I've called her a Corporatist and I stand by it. If Elizabeth Warren was running instead of Bernie I think most of Bernie's supporters would back her.
I wonder how many voting for Hillary because she's a woman would back Hillary then.

Frankly how about Bernie having Cynthia McKinney or Barbara Lee as someone else suggested.

[Dawgs]

12. LOL!!

You guys are awesome...and predictable.

[Fawke Em]

58. Your teens are talking about Hillary?

That's odd. My teen son couldn't believe Hillary was the front runner when he heard it on the news. Why? Because, he says, all his friends talk only about Bernie and Trump. Hillary's (nor anyone else on the clown car side) not on their radar.

[djean111]

2. I don't want my son or my grandson to be sent to die in the Middle East.

If that is considered sexist, then so be it.

[NurseJackie]

3. Did they volunteer to serve in the military, or were they drafted?

[djean111]

5. If we have more and more war, the draft is certainly a possibility.

Also, this is just one of the reasons I do not support Hillary. As a woman, I think the gender card bullshit is downright disgusting. It is not like Hillary and Bernie are alike on the issues and gender is the only difference.

[NurseJackie]

15. So you're telling me that they're *not* in the military? And you're voting out of *fear*, I presume.

I can certainly understand how the thought of instituting a military draft would be dreadfully frightening to someone (no matter how far-fetched and unlikely it may be). Fear can certainly be a strong motivator.

Your "fear" vote (fear card?) is certainly at odds with comments from Bernie's fans who regularly criticize Hillary's fans for "promoting fear" or "voting out of fear". So its acceptability depends on who's actually using it, I suppose.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. Oh my! eom.

[Betty Karlson]

24. They volunteered to serve their country, not to serve the 1 %.

The issue is being sent overseas for no good reason at all. And Clinton has made grave mistakes over Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

[NurseJackie]

30. You forgot to say "oligarchy" and "turd-way" and "Benghazi" and "corporatist" and "Wall Street"

Based on Bernie's polling numbers and political endorsements, it appears that recycling the same old anti-Hillary stuff over and over again isn't really having the desired effect. It also appears that his message isn't catching-on, or that people simply aren't buying it.

Bernie's not up to it, in my opinion. He doesn't inspire my confidence.

Hillary's not perfect, but much I prefer her over Bernie ... warts and all. She's got my vote.

[Betty Karlson]

40. I will never trust Clinton,

and your effort to associate my concerns with lame puns is childish in itself - a rhetoric fallacy in fact. Way to deflect from the fact that her vote enabled Bush to help create ISIS, her intervention in Libya helped create space for ISIS, and her drone attacks pave the way for ...

[NurseJackie]

45. Puns? Where?

Only hardcore Bernie followers care about the IWR vote anymore. It would have happened with or without her vote. Hang on to that if you must. Obsess, worry, fret, wring your hands, stomp, shout ... it's not working. Her polling numbers and her political endorsements demonstrate that NOBODY* CARES anymore.

It's a dead issue. Just like Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Monica, Vince Foster, Troopergate (or any one of Rush Limbaugh's old, lame, tired and worn-out attacks.)

Face it, anyone* actually cared, then the polling numbers and the endorsements between Hillary and Bernie would be reversed. But they're not...

"They're not, Blanche... they're not reversed."



*except Bernie's fans.

[Betty Karlson]

50. Vince Foster and Monica were fabricated attacks on the Clintons. The IWR vote is a serious matter.

Clinton fans can't separate the lies from the serious matters anymore. Detached from reality by loyalty.

[NurseJackie]

52. That's not the definition of a pun. :o/

The IWR vote is now ancient history. A mistake for which Hillary has apologized. It was a different time, but I must commend you on your 20/20 hindsight. Well done, you!

For obvious reasons (6:1) you'll have to imagine my response to your insult, and imagine whether or not I would have made a similarly ugly broad-brush attack about critical thinking being affected by loyalty.

It doesn't appear that much will change in the coming few weeks, Betty. Bernie's message isn't catching on, and the recycled attacks on Hillary are only resonating with hardcore Bernie fans who are "loyal" (as you say). Such efforts are proving to be just as effective as the Vince and Monica attacks.

Hillary is the prohibitive front-runner... she will be the nominee, and she'll win the election. Enjoy the primaries while you can. For the most ardent Hillary-haters, it's going to be a very long eight years.

[Betty Karlson]

55. Not a single vote has been cast.

Hillary is only front-runner in MSM polls. She is a distant second in Internet (unfiltered) polls. She MAY become a frontrunner once actual votes are being cast. The arrogance from camp Clinton - "she is the prohibitive frontrunner" - will not endear her to those who have reservations against her "leader"ship style. And no: reservations and hatred are two different things. But thanks for twisting my words over and over again - I'm sure it's worthy of someone on DINO-Debbie's side.

[NurseJackie]

56. Not yet :-) but coming soon! It's very easy to see where this is headed.

Hillary is only front-runner in MSM polls. She is a distant second in Internet (unfiltered) polls.

Ha! "Unfiltered" internet polls!! I suppose if my candidate was so far behind, I'd be pinning my hopes on internet polls too. But... other than Bernie's fans...


Do you have any "Unfiltered Internet Labor Union" endorsements? What about "Unfiltered Internet Political Endorsements"?

The arrogance from camp Clinton - "she is the prohibitive frontrunner" - will not endear her to those who have reservations against her "leader"ship style.

Well, she is the prohibitive frontrunner. What's "arrogant" about that? (My goodness you're being awfully sensitive!)

Frankly, the Hillary-hatred is so venomous around here that there's nothing anyone could say or do (or not-say, or not-do) that would "endear" her to anyone. You've already made up your mind. So what difference does it make? You'll vote (or not vote) for your own reasons. I sincerely doubt that rational people make their voting decisions based on the comments of anonymous posters on an internet chat forum.

And no: reservations and hatred are two different things. But thanks for twisting my words over and over again

You're welcome! Your meaning was exceedingly clear (even if it wasn't as direct and plain spoken as the words I used.)

I'm sure it's worthy of someone on DINO-Debbie's side.

Ooooo! "DINO-Debbie" Evil Scary Debbie Boogiewoman-Schultz! (That never gets old!)

To hear "camp Bernie" talk about her, you'd think that they were talking about the Wicked Witch of the West:

[Fawke Em]

59. You're awfully snarky and mean-spirited for a nurse.

My Mom and Grandma were nurses. That streak isn't a trait I'm familiar with.

[JRLeft]

64. So you support Wall Street? That's what Hillary supports, and always have.

[NurseJackie]

65. Hillary's not perfect, but I much prefer her over Bernie ... warts and all. She's got my vote!

[JRLeft]

67. Her support of Wall Street should be brushed aside? Wow!

[NurseJackie]

68. She's a stronger and better prepared candidate than Bernie. She's got my vote! (WOW!) :0)

[JRLeft]

69. No, she's not in match ups vs republicans.

[NurseJackie]

70. My vote is for the candidate that best matches my views. That would be Hillary, not Bernie.

[treestar]

6. that's pretty desperate

as an argument here. There's no reason to assume Hillary is going to send troops there, but every reason to think a R would. And no proof Bernie wouldn't either.

And we should send troops where necessary. Bush sent them where it was unnecessary. That is a Republicans thing.

[tazkcmo]

10. There's every reason to believe it.

Look at her actions. Libya, Syria, IWR vote. Her words are meaningless as she lies and has no credibility except with her fans.

[djean111]

11. As I have said elsewhere, this is not, by miles, the only reason I will not support Hillary.

In the context of sons and daughters, this is how I feel. For everyone's sons (and daughters).
This is not like electing a high school president or prom queen/king. Gender should have nothing to do with it.

[Nonhlanhla]

4. That's a factor for me too

In 2008 I was an Obama supporter, despite my feminism, because I just liked him more. This time around I was on the fence until a few weeks ago, when I decided on Hillary. There were many reasons for this: I admire her her toughness, her years of service (yes, some mistakes, but also many progressive accomplishments), and the fact that she seems to be able to listen to people. I also did not like the Bernie campaign's handling of datagate. All of that played a role in my choice, but there is one more thing that led me towards Hillary: this time around I have a young daughter (I was just pregnant with her when Obama was elected), and I would like her to see a woman in the White House during her formative years.

[Dawgs]

13. She certainly did listen to Bush's arguments on invading Iraq.

You're correct about that at least.

[Nonhlanhla]

16. Perhaps you should consider

investigating what Hillary's rationale for that vote was?

She made a mistake there, but she was not exactly in agreement with invading Iraq on the empty grounds Bush eventually did it.

Life is complicated.

[Dawgs]

20. Many Democrats knew it was going to be a mistake, so why should I trust her "rationale"?

And, "life is complicated" is not a good enough excuse for something as big as selling an illegal and unjust war. Sorry.

[Nonhlanhla]

22. As I said

...perhaps you should consider actually investigating her rationale for that vote.

It always helps to get beyond soundbites.

Kind of like understanding why Bernie has voted on guns the way he has: he was wrong, but not in a bloodthirsty, gun-nut kind of way. There were specific reasons for his vote. Similar with Hillary. Sure, the IWR vote was bigger, but to simply paint her as bloodthirsty, the way many Bernie supporters are doing, is quite unjust. If I can look at Bernie's gun votes with more nuance, perhaps you can take up the challenge to look at her IWR vote with more nuance?

[Dawgs]

25. I don't need to investigate, I already know her rationale? It was the same as Bush and Cheney.

Her rationale was wrong. Looking at her vote with "more nuance" is pointless. She was wrong. Everyone knows that now. Soundbites have nothing to do with it.

And, I never said she was bloodthirsty.

[Nonhlanhla]

28. It was not the same as Bush and Cheney

And I did not say you SAID she was bloodthirsty. But many Bernie supporters do either say it or suggest it.

[Dawgs]

32. It was exactly the same.

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"I will take the President at his word"

[Nonhlanhla]

41. Nuance is good

As I said above, I think Bernie has been very wrong on guns. I would not, however, accuse him of voting the way he did because he has the same rationale as the NRA gun nuts. I disagree with him, yes, but I can do nuance, and can see that his vote is not the summary of the man.

Similarly, Hillary's vote on IWR was a huge mistake, as she herself admitted. But her reasons for voting for the IWR were complicated.

We are Democrats. We can do nuance. We can even disagree with someone without demonizing them.

I post a link to a DKos diary for you that neatly captures some of the complexities of her vote.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/22/1386838/-Hillary-Clinton-Never-Supported-the-Bush-Cheney-Invasion-of-Iraq

[Hassin Bin Sober]

35. Of course it wasn't the same rationale as Bush/Cheney.

Bush/Cheney already had the White House. HRC was working on getting the job and she didn't want to get saddled with a vote against freedumb in the event the war didn't turn out to be a grand clusterfuck.

Well the war turned out to be a grand clusterfuck and now she is sorry.

I supported HRC in 2008. I thought then, and still believe today, Obama would have voted the same way had he been a Senator at the time. Sure, he was against the war as an Illinois state Senator but his other votes and strategic non-votes and his flip flopping on his more liberal held positions were all calculated in the same way.

I always thought it was unfair to bash her with the IWR while claiming Obama was against the war while he was flip flopping on gay marriage and denying he was for a handgun ban as a south side Chicago state senator. But Obama had her by the short hairs with that vote and his supporters weren't going to let go. Such is life.

The is time she is running against the guy who stood for his values and didn't get sucked in to the blood lust the country was in.

HRC had a chance at a profile in courage and she failed. I still blame bush. He started the fight. But HRC held his coat.

[tazkcmo]

7. More men in military than women.

Simple. She'll kill your son.

[JTFrog]

21. "Simple. She'll kill your son."

This place gets stupider and more offensive by the day.

[rjsquirrel]

43. Outrageous

Spoken like a right winger.

[Blue_Adept]

46. That's considered acceptable now

Because in the minds of many here, rightly or wrongly depending on what you gauge it by, she is one.

Never mind what her voting record is or the things she's done that say otherwise. She's Republican Lite, which twenty or thirty years ago would be mainstream or far right Republican in their views.

[Fawke Em]

60. No, it's not.

I'm a liberal. More liberal than Hillary and I, too, am scared that she'll get us into so many wars, a draft might be necessary. And, I have a 16 year old son. I don't want him going to war - especially 1 percenter wars.

[rjsquirrel]

62. Weird

that is frankly an absurd argument.

Hillary derangement syndrome.

Anyway a draft is the only fair way to staff an army. Right now they just send poor kids.

This place is insane. Hillary is a moderate democrat. No she would not have been a republican "20 or 30 years ago,". That's fantasy. Ronald Reagan was a republican 30 years ago.

This crap ("I'm so afraid of Clinton!&quot is outright misogynist hatred from the fringe far left. Hillary is far ahead among democratic voters because we can't afford Pres. Trump.

The childishness of the Hillary haters has so soured me on Sanders. His supporters act like babies.

[Starry Messenger]

66. +1

All of this.

[comradebillyboy]

72. Amen

[99Forever]

14. My 21 yo Granddaughter and her parents..

...all support Bernie.

So nanny nanny boo boo.

[Fuddnik]

17. People with rugs support Trump!

[kath]

19. Both parents of two daughters in our house support Bernie, and can't STAND HRC. Likewise with the

Parents of my 4 nieces, the parents (best friends of mine) of 2 daughters, other very close friend and her husband - parents of 2 daughters.
Real New Deal Democrats support Bernie. ( Third Way corporatists are anlther kettle of fish)

[BlueMTexpat]

23. I am a parent of sons only, but

have one stepdaughter who is a nurse and a Hillary supporter. My husband and I are both Hillary supporters. My older son supports MOM and my younger son supports Bernie for the primaries, although neither is insane enough not to vote for the Dem nominee, whoever that may be in the GE.

My granddaughter (my younger son's daughter, who at 9, can't vote) and her mother are both very enthusiastic Hillary supporters. Of the two other DILs and one ex-DIL, one is an R (unbelievable, I know) but can't stand any of the R candidates and will likely not vote at all - which is fine with me unless she decides to jump ship altogether and vote Dem. If she did that, Hillary would be her choice. The other two are both Hillary supporters. Of my two stepsons, one supports Hillary and the other hasn't made up his mind but will vote Dem in the GE. Of my five "step-grands" who are of voting age, two are Hillary supporters and three are undecided but will vote Dem.

Among registered likely voters who are Dems, my family may be a microcosm of the US electorate.

[Bjornsdotter]

26. Parent of a 26 year old daughter

....both Mom and daughter support Bernie.

[vi5]

27. Father of a daughter....

and if Hillary is the nominee that is the ONLY reason I'd hold my nose and vote for her.

[peace13]

29. Mother of a son here...

...mother in law to an awesome, intelligent young woman. I hope she never votes on gender alone.

[elleng]

31. I don't like this approach at all.

My father encouraged me, from the beginning, to be fair and judicious, I became an attorney, provided legal services to those in need (as did Hillary Clinton in her early years as an attorney,) and I support Martin O'Malley; we encouraged our daughters, one of them strongly supports Senator Sanders, the other is not so politically involved.

[lumberjack_jeff]

33. Parents of daughters don't face the Hobson's choice;

Register to be drafted into Hillary's "statesmanship" or be denied the opportunity to go to college.

[rjsquirrel]

44. OFFS

Selective service registration is not going away under Sansers either.


True progressives support a draft. I assumed Bernie does, actually.

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. "True progressives support a draft."

I guess Hillary supporters need to tell themselves something to sleep through the night.

[rjsquirrel]

48. Whatevs

A draft means the sons of rich men serve. All volunteer armies are made up mostly of the poor.

[Blue_In_AK]

39. I am apparently an anomaly.

Three daughters, no sons, and firmly in Bernie's corner.

[Blue_Adept]

42. My 16 year old is firmly Bernie

It's been an interesting conversation to have over the dinner table the last few months. She speaks clearly about what interests her, coming from the Tumblr "SJW" arena, and has no bones in making her case. I sorta play devils advocate to her, but not so much in terms of actual choice (I rarely do the primary voting thing myself) but about how she views the process and how it all works. Which means explaining how a caucus works, downticket stuff, the primaries themselves, etc etc.

Mostly I just try to provide context based on extensive experience, which is supplemented by her grandmother (age 76) who lives with us and has her own varied views to bring to it. My mother is quite the amusing and fiery old school liberal from a heavily conservative family - made worse by her stepfather being from Lebanon and having very different views from what she had and others in her family from her mother's side.

I'm the only guy in a crowd of four women (another younger daughter, significant other as well) and there's no consistent opinion on it all. Which makes for great conversations with lots of enthusiasm.

And that's all I ask for (beyond not voting Republican).

[Roy Ellefson]

49. 3 daughters and a son

My wife and I have 3 daughters and a son...we all support Bernie. We will have a very tough choice to make if he doesn't get the nomination.

[CBGLuthier]

51. Not in my household. Two daughters, one son.

All are grown and all five of us support Sanders.

That is because we are not sexist and believe in supporting the right person for the job.

[Blue_Adept]

54. so people in favor of Clinton are sexist?

C'mon. First I'm told earlier this week that Clinton supporters aren't actually liberals. Now we're sexists?

[HockeyMom]

53. My daughters and I voted for Hillary for NY Senator

but we are all supporting Bernie for President.

[Fawke Em]

57. I have one of each.

They like Bernie.

So do their parents.

[Autumn]

61. Three daughters. All support Bernie. Both Husband and I support Bernie.

[BooScout]

63. K&R

[azmom]

71. My feminist daughter and her friends support Bernie.

Mount Holyoke College Women are awesome.