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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:22 PM Jan 2016

Thom Hartmann Just Called Bullshit on Hillary Supporters Claims of Bernie's DNC support

Just listening to Thom, he was referring to a post here on DU about how a Hillary Supporter claimed Bernie isn't raising money for the DNC. Thom is close with Bernie and he knows Bernie specifically offered to raise money for other Democratic Party candidates. The DNC has not followed up!

This is the DNC, not Bernie, and there are members here, using this as a divisive tactic against Bernie supporters. These members could be members of her campaign, DNC insiders or zealots who want to turn anything against Bernie.

DON'T BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT!

Thank you Thom! You have always been and always will be a true friend to DU and to the true liberal cause!

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Thom Hartmann Just Called Bullshit on Hillary Supporters Claims of Bernie's DNC support (Original Post) berni_mccoy Jan 2016 OP
Truth doesn't have the microphone these days mmonk Jan 2016 #1
hell...reality dosen't have th mic these days! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #14
Le Sigh. I miss Air America Radio... Bubzer Jan 2016 #173
When ya got nuttin'......you fling poop. Speaks for itself. nc4bo Jan 2016 #2
Hartman is nothing but a political hack for Sanders lewebley3 Jan 2016 #17
it didn't take long for this spew I see roguevalley Jan 2016 #22
Well if lies are going written by Sanders supporters they will be lewebley3 Jan 2016 #73
Right.... Bubzer Jan 2016 #172
Link or slink. Oh, and also see Replies 157 and 99. merrily Jan 2016 #178
This little one's been busy today. Too busy to conjugate their verbs! arcane1 Jan 2016 #254
Spoken Like A True HRC Supporter Oldtimeralso Jan 2016 #26
That is right I am a Hillary supporter: I know Hartman has been lewebley3 Jan 2016 #75
Hartmann has been supporting Hillary all along. senz Jan 2016 #79
No he has not: He starts by saying program saying he supporters lewebley3 Jan 2016 #82
If she's the nominee he'll gladly vote for and promote her. senz Jan 2016 #84
In meantime he makes crazy theories about Hillary: and Pushes lewebley3 Jan 2016 #96
So everything that ever went wrong is Thom Hartman's fault? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #169
Hartman is in love with his own voice: He dosen't know Hillary lewebley3 Jan 2016 #217
Your posting style seems different. merrily Jan 2016 #179
Agreed. Almost as though a completely different person's at the helm, trying to immitate lewbely3 Bubzer Jan 2016 #205
Had the same experience with another Hillary supporter poster merrily Jan 2016 #211
Maybe there was a shift change? arcane1 Jan 2016 #255
Always a possibility. I was told by someone who claimed to have retired from the DNC merrily Jan 2016 #272
There was like a sea of change with that one. Autumn Jan 2016 #320
I saw a couple of posters point it out and s/he/it never acknowledged it. merrily Jan 2016 #322
I can see that you don't listen to his show much RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #157
Not only does he say good things about her, Paka Jan 2016 #99
Exactly! I've seen the same thing. senz Jan 2016 #103
I only get 30 minutes to an hour as I drive to work, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #115
Hartmann not messenger: he is a talk show host: lewebley3 Jan 2016 #234
a practical politician that work(s) for the best for their country. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #31
Isn't that totally absurd? Duval Jan 2016 #35
not only totally absurd yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #46
Crazy talk! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #90
+1 Mbrow Jan 2016 #39
Don't know who you mean by (those) : What said was true lewebley3 Jan 2016 #72
You forgot LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #54
I have listen to Hartman's for years: He doesn't help Dem's lewebley3 Jan 2016 #78
You just proved you have never listened to him, not once. n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #85
No, he comes on after Stephanie Miller: I was a fan for years lewebley3 Jan 2016 #92
Prove it. Post audio or video of him bashing Hillary. cui bono Jan 2016 #118
mmkay... cui bono Jan 2016 #167
I second cui bono'S request: link or slink. merrily Jan 2016 #180
Strange that a person could be a fan for years and have no idea about the show's actual content eh? Bubzer Jan 2016 #213
Or how to spell his name... Fawke Em Jan 2016 #262
Um yeah SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #163
That's right Hartmann supports Bernie RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #159
Thank you for 'splaining it to me. pangaia Jan 2016 #63
Okay, how many back and forths must we go this time? cui bono Jan 2016 #83
I will repsond when I want: You are always able to pass lewebley3 Jan 2016 #97
Can't you see that no one believes you because a) they know better, and b) you refuse to link? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #133
Post the audio of Hartmann bashing Hillary. JRLeft Jan 2016 #165
Buy the pod cast lewebley3 Jan 2016 #224
Homie you're fool of shit. JRLeft Jan 2016 #240
NO I don't have time tutor lewebley3 Jan 2016 #244
You seem to not have any available time ... TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #266
That's their job: ridiculous, left-smearing assertions n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #268
The pod cast ready and waiting anytime: But I doubt Sanders people lewebley3 Jan 2016 #236
You made a claim. GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #176
I did; lewebley3 Jan 2016 #233
Links and citations GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #239
Yep, you will respond again and again, endlessly, but not with proof of your claims. merrily Jan 2016 #181
I have made one claim that I support HIllary a Democratic for President lewebley3 Jan 2016 #216
FALSE. You made claims about Hartmann, right on this thread. merrily Jan 2016 #218
As Clinton supporter that I Claim to be: Hartmann talks out of two lewebley3 Jan 2016 #220
As I said, you will reply endlessly, but without supporting your claims. merrily Jan 2016 #222
Hillary record has supported my claims and if not all opinions lewebley3 Jan 2016 #223
FALSE. Hillary's record does not support your claims against Hartmann. Link or slink. merrily Jan 2016 #225
Wrong: Hartmann cannot support his claims about Hillary: he just lewebley3 Jan 2016 #227
Endless replies. No support for claims. Link or slink. merrily Jan 2016 #228
This post is deliberately misleading. chknltl Jan 2016 #110
+1 merrily Jan 2016 #182
+1 Bubzer Jan 2016 #214
Conservatives hate Hartman and all that dare speak truth to power. Thom is a progressive rhett o rick Jan 2016 #146
Hartmann doesn't speak truth to power: He has never run for office: He lewebley3 Jan 2016 #232
What does Thom support that warrents you calling him an "ideologue"? rhett o rick Jan 2016 #235
Sanders lewebley3 Jan 2016 #237
That's what I thought. It's Sanders' personality not issues. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #245
No both lewebley3 Jan 2016 #246
This message was self-deleted by its author Bubzer Jan 2016 #260
You disparage the left or progressives as ideologues. What issues do these ideologues rhett o rick Jan 2016 #265
The verdict is in... Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #303
Thanks for posting that. Sadly a "politically liberal" DU member wants to silence rhett o rick Jan 2016 #305
Half right wing isn't practical AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #168
Another crazy useless theory: What works is people coming together lewebley3 Jan 2016 #230
what you are talking about does not exist AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #274
Yes it does: its call the Dem party and Hillary with other lewebley3 Jan 2016 #293
No ideology = no core beliefs AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #307
lewebley3, you're completely out in right field on this one. Bubzer Jan 2016 #171
Left field, my friend. There's nothing rightabout making false claims, esp. about Hartmann, not even merrily Jan 2016 #184
The choice of right versus left was actually intentional in this case. Bubzer Jan 2016 #199
Not obtuse and I appreciate the explanation. merrily Jan 2016 #201
Same here. Bubzer Jan 2016 #204
Yep. OT, but watching Manny Ramirez act up and finally getting my merrily Jan 2016 #280
Happy to oblige Bubzer Jan 2016 #288
He doesn't speak for Dem's: He bashes the Dem party: He is a Sanders supporter lewebley3 Jan 2016 #226
Link or slink. Its your claim, you have the burden of proof. Bubzer Jan 2016 #259
No the burden you to do your homework, and get a pod cast lewebley3 Jan 2016 #295
Sorry but that's not how argumentation works. You made a claim, you have the burden of proof. Bubzer Jan 2016 #296
The SCOTUS handed the country to Bush. blackspade Jan 2016 #208
Then you are sick of the truth: Sanders people are Nader people lewebley3 Jan 2016 #219
Dude, I live in Tennessee and I voted for Gore. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #263
+1 blackspade Jan 2016 #270
Someone I love in Missouri offered to "trade votes" with me in 2004. merrily Jan 2016 #331
What a torrent of counterfactual bullshit. blackspade Jan 2016 #269
Yes they are! lewebley3 Jan 2016 #294
I thought older Democrats were breaking for Clinton by huge margins..... blackspade Jan 2016 #297
Media matters says; Hillary has one of the strongest level lewebley3 Jan 2016 #298
Having a "Squirrel" moment? blackspade Jan 2016 #299
No I have been in same place: You just don't like it. lewebley3 Jan 2016 #300
Don't like what? blackspade Jan 2016 #301
That I am Dem: not a Sanders supporter lewebley3 Jan 2016 #302
Not mutually exclusive. blackspade Jan 2016 #304
Thom Hartmann liberalmike27 Jan 2016 #210
A. He does not lie about Clinton. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #261
Hartman only knows Hillary from the cheap seats of knowledge lewebley3 Jan 2016 #332
What lousy policies she is not President of US now: lewebley3 Jan 2016 #333
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #328
I don't buy that firebrand80 Jan 2016 #3
you have third way in your sig line, jkbRN Jan 2016 #6
k firebrand80 Jan 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Jan 2016 #16
Think that's your call to make, do you? Number23 Jan 2016 #100
The commenter made a polite request. senz Jan 2016 #120
Telling someone to "just go away" over a sig pic is a "polite request" now? Number23 Jan 2016 #121
Don't misquote. They said, "Please just go away." senz Jan 2016 #124
I have absolutely no idea why you feel the need to insert yourself into this conversation Number23 Jan 2016 #128
LOL senz Jan 2016 #130
Every bit as pointless as your other contributions here so props on the consistency Number23 Jan 2016 #131
Your posts to and about everyone not in line with you have been quite consistent as well. merrily Jan 2016 #188
Always the same. Puglover Jan 2016 #250
Yep. And ad homs. And now, merrily Jan 2016 #273
Wow, I actually skipped right over this post when it showed up in My Posts! Number23 Jan 2016 #252
Tangle, my ass. Six minutes, my ass. Hanger on? What on earth are you on about? merrily Jan 2016 #275
Damn, I was haughty downthread and now I've been promoted to "imperious??" Number23 Jan 2016 #277
Sow. Reap. Play victim. Attempt a smear. O.K. nt merrily Jan 2016 #278
I don't need to "play a victim" everyone here sees what you guys are about Number23 Jan 2016 #281
Everyone here has been your posts to and about Bernie supporters. merrily Jan 2016 #282
Oh, I know you guys must have seen my posts re: Sanders supporters because NOTHING ELSE Number23 Jan 2016 #283
Shit....they should just call you "uppity" and get it the fuck over with. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #311
I said the exact same thing. I love how some of these folks around here think that they are subtle Number23 Jan 2016 #312
Subtle as a brick. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #313
Hat tip for you.... Docreed2003 Jan 2016 #327
Thank you. I appreciate it. merrily Jan 2016 #330
I wish I had a nickel for every time a Hillary supporter told this person or group or another to merrily Jan 2016 #185
Probably the same reason I feel the need to insert myself right here. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #134
An excellent use of your time. As long as this keeps you out of threads on BLM, have at it Number23 Jan 2016 #136
What do you have against BLM? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #140
LOL!!!!! Number23 Jan 2016 #141
I'm not DEAR to you. Don't ever do that again. Clear? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #143
You jumped up into this for no other reason than you wanted to get into it with somebody Number23 Jan 2016 #144
I asked you to stop calling me Dear. I meant it when I asked you that. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #153
FLOAT ON and I won't have to call you anything at all. And believe me, NO ONE wants that more Number23 Jan 2016 #155
You won't have to, or you won't choose to? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #158
The person who called a black activist "subhuman" is now whining about being called "dear" Number23 Jan 2016 #162
Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself. Bubzer Jan 2016 #221
I love this idiotic pile on. Please keep it coming. Number23 Jan 2016 #241
I dont recall you asking for civility. Bubzer Jan 2016 #247
Your very clear defense of a poster who called a black activist "subhuman" is FAR more damning than Number23 Jan 2016 #248
Your very clear defense of a poster who supports the third way is FAR more damning and legimate Bubzer Jan 2016 #249
Glad that you acknowledged that my "defense" of the Third Way is something you pulled squarely Number23 Jan 2016 #251
There you go, stretching things again. The truth is a real problem for you it would seem. Bubzer Jan 2016 #253
I defended absolutely NO ONE. The fact that this very simple fact escapes you is one of the reasons Number23 Jan 2016 #256
You defended absolutely no one? Really? Bubzer Jan 2016 #257
Yes, I can see why "think that's your call to make?" comes across as this strong defense to you Number23 Jan 2016 #258
It's what happens on a thread on a discussion board. People reply to whatever merrily Jan 2016 #187
And yet another of DU's finest chimes in for no reason Number23 Jan 2016 #242
LOL! Look who's talking about personal attacks! merrily Jan 2016 #271
Yes, you guys have done a fine, exceptional job of showing me how wrong I am to think that alot Number23 Jan 2016 #276
See Reply 278. FYI, I am one poster. merrily Jan 2016 #279
Oh, I know full well and good who you are Number23 Jan 2016 #284
That you've never had me on your jury blacklist before speaks volumes. merrily Jan 2016 #285
I'd just be happy if you floated on and left me alone Number23 Jan 2016 #286
Oops. Did I imply making you happy is my goal? Or that I value your input? Nitey nite. merrily Jan 2016 #287
You jumped into this thread to talk to me and now won't leave me alone or put me on ignore Number23 Jan 2016 #289
"Jumped into a thread" on a message board. LOL! Too funny. merrily Jan 2016 #290
WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING GOODBYE AND NOT LEAVING?? Number23 Jan 2016 #292
You inserted yourself into the converation, why can't senz? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #264
This has reached new levels of absurdity now Number23 Jan 2016 #267
Lord have mercy!! Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #306
Because apparently to some, NOTHING proves "Sanders supporters are good, kind and noble" Number23 Jan 2016 #310
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #314
LOL!! I thought I was taking up space in that other poster's head Number23 Jan 2016 #315
And there you have it... Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #316
Because being nasty is such a life skill and so courageous when you're invisable on the Internet ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #318
"Please go fuck yourself", is polite because I used "please" ? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #317
Right? Bubzer Jan 2016 #174
The DNC would not rather have Bernie collect money for the DNC. If Bernie were to collect and A Simple Game Jan 2016 #154
I think you could be on to something. merrily Jan 2016 #186
Thanks for the praise, it means a lot coming from you merrily. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #196
I agree with you. merrily Jan 2016 #197
Politicians of Hillary's and DWS's caliber rarely do anything without a reason. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #198
Yep. Once again, "Follow the money" is revealing in US pollitics. merrily Jan 2016 #200
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #4
I thought that the DNC was evil? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #5
False dichotomy. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #8
Yep. Bernie is not Thirdway. Bernie offers Phlem Jan 2016 #27
yep see my sig! sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #145
Nice! Phlem Jan 2016 #166
Who has the Turd one Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #170
Good question. We should find out who has that sig line and get them to share the link! Bubzer Jan 2016 #209
Ha! That's it! Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #212
Any organization can fall into bad hands. senz Jan 2016 #12
Then why do I see the DNC being trashed regularly ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #45
Because with DWS, the DNC fell into bad hands. senz Jan 2016 #74
Then again, why give DWS any help? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #86
I don't think Bernie sees it that way. senz Jan 2016 #91
I'm repeating what I hear from Bernie ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #94
Not from Bernie, from some of his supporters senz Jan 2016 #101
But shouldn't Bernie shun the DNC? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #102
That's what I meant by exaggeration senz Jan 2016 #111
By your logic he should also shun running for President LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #119
Beautifully logical. Thanks, LLL. nt senz Jan 2016 #122
But if the DNC is helping to elect more Dems ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #138
You keep equating the current DNC leadership with the DNC. The DNC has been co-opted. Bubzer Jan 2016 #215
Nice move of the goalposts there LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #243
That's some fancy thinking there Joe. Phlem Jan 2016 #29
Folks keep explaining how bad the DNC and JoePhilly Jan 2016 #88
You weren't paying attention when the world switched from 8- to 64-bit, were you? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #139
Is that all you have? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #149
Yep. You've found the limit of my intellect, in a one-line post. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #156
If 10 is the highest, then 7.1 is way too generous for merrily Jan 2016 #326
That settles it. I don't know senz Jan 2016 #150
And I don't really know who you are, but I've been enjoying your posts. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #160
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #62
C) The DNC is engaging in an elaborate scheme to bypass limits Mnpaul Jan 2016 #147
Then why is he helping the DNC? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #148
How much did he raise for them? Mnpaul Jan 2016 #152
No end to the fscking "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" gotcha bs, now is there? None. merrily Jan 2016 #189
Thom, like Bernie, speaks the truth. Thank you, Thom and thank you, berni_mccoy! senz Jan 2016 #9
Which makes "some people" fredamae Jan 2016 #10
Not buying it. One bit. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #11
You think Thom is passing the buck?!? berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #15
indeed, some gladly become the best witness for their own prosecution stupidicus Jan 2016 #50
Really? I've seen he Clintons pass the buck PLENTY. What I have seen only rarely, and only merrily Jan 2016 #190
Follow the money, no, the money has not arrived. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #13
Totally missing/ignoring Hartman's point. Why am I not even a little surprised about? merrily Jan 2016 #191
Hillary supporters are lying???? Doctor_J Jan 2016 #18
Hartmann doesn't have BS on Hillary: He only has BS on Sanders lewebley3 Jan 2016 #19
Oh OK. Phlem Jan 2016 #24
BOOM! 99Forever Jan 2016 #20
This should be posted in the Bernie group. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #21
Right. Because it's always so much better to get a one-sided response. pnwmom Jan 2016 #58
Have you watched Bernie's speech yet? He gave it today. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #70
K&R!!!! Phlem Jan 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #25
Been meaning to ask senz Jan 2016 #319
This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #321
Okay. senz Jan 2016 #323
This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #324
Appreciate the reply, postatomic. senz Jan 2016 #325
... senz Jan 2016 #335
Is THAT what I've been seeing? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #28
I'm glad Thom has time to call out random internet commentators. Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #30
Thom has consistently discussed topics on DU, mentioning DU specifically when it sources from here. berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #32
"Random"? bvf Jan 2016 #42
I don't particularly care one way or another Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #55
Yes, don't vote. Always good advice. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #59
I'm not invested in the primary. I'll let those who are the strong advocates fight it out. Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #60
I can't believe what I'm reading here! bvf Jan 2016 #66
45 years of being jaded by politics. One can give only so many fucks after awhile. Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #67
You've got maybe five years on me bvf Jan 2016 #69
in my state, if you do not vote for a candidate in the primary hopemountain Jan 2016 #175
What state is that so I can make sure I never move there Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #195
He's a DU member. n/t in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #44
YES, Thom Did Mention It AND It Does Happen To Be ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #33
I just heard him! Hartmann always knows what he's talking about. Duval Jan 2016 #34
They are both wrong. Sanders and the DNC *have* a joint fundraising committee. ieoeja Jan 2016 #36
oh I know that... PatrynXX Jan 2016 #37
Hey. A few months ago, I unsubscribed to the DNC. They ask why. I keyboarded that DWS DhhD Jan 2016 #151
if you have ever donated,or just answered a phone survey that says you support any dem candidate questionseverything Jan 2016 #238
Hey berni_mc !!! - You Might Find This Interesting: WillyT Jan 2016 #38
Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC postatomic Jan 2016 #40
That does not refute what Thom has said nor does it counter the fact that berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #43
It's up to Bernie to follow through with this postatomic Jan 2016 #52
"Thom is just playing to the anger and fear." berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #61
"Now I know you are full of shit" postatomic Jan 2016 #64
A Sanders spokesman said just a few days ago that the DNC have never come forward with any dates Kentonio Jan 2016 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author postatomic Jan 2016 #308
I'd love for you to dig further and find some evidence to support what you're claiming. Kentonio Jan 2016 #309
Lies! It's all they've got. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #41
K & R AzDar Jan 2016 #47
well, ignorant or dishonest aren't flattering choices stupidicus Jan 2016 #48
DON'T BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT! passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #49
Yep. Zorra Jan 2016 #51
It's not as if DU isn't loaded with divisive anti-Hillary talk. laureloak Jan 2016 #53
I just saw where an alert was posted on Thom Hartman's YouTube Channel INdemo Jan 2016 #56
I"m calling bullshit on Thom Hartmann. Sanders could have helped through the DSCC pnwmom Jan 2016 #57
Lol this line.... Agschmid Jan 2016 #65
hillary supporters are not real liberals Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #68
Such a lame attack. Agschmid Jan 2016 #93
Bernie signed an agreement with the DNC to raise funds Progressive dog Jan 2016 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author nc4bo Jan 2016 #77
Huh Progressive dog Jan 2016 #80
Sorry Progressive, that's what I get for surfacing (and responding) on DU nc4bo Jan 2016 #109
'Fraid ya lost me, nc4bo senz Jan 2016 #89
I thought the OP was about Sanders refusing to name CEOs. nc4bo Jan 2016 #105
LOL, thanks. senz Jan 2016 #112
Hartmann's partisan bias is showing. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #76
Thank you Thom...at least the Swarm can't give you a Hide! SoapBox Jan 2016 #81
Maybe Debbie was on a conference call with Sheldon Adelson when he tried to tell her? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #87
I 2nd the bullshit call! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #95
Was Hartman a Naderite? redstateblues Jan 2016 #98
I am glad you are a fan of Thom's, so when he says OF COURSE he will support Hillary if she randys1 Jan 2016 #104
I'll support her if she's the nominee. But she's not the nominee, yet. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #108
Not all of his fans are DUers senz Jan 2016 #113
True Thom fans will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is. randys1 Jan 2016 #114
LOL, they'll vote for whomever they please. senz Jan 2016 #116
And true fans of his will freely vote against the terrorists. NOt complicated randys1 Jan 2016 #117
Because you say so? senz Jan 2016 #129
Hey, if anyone knows about fans of Sanders, merrily Jan 2016 #183
At least 4. nt raouldukelives Jan 2016 #207
Hi Thom. If you're still on the air RandySF Jan 2016 #106
He shoots. He scores. Boom! redstateblues Jan 2016 #125
Illogical senz Jan 2016 #127
But I thought he's a close friend RandySF Jan 2016 #135
Yeah, Thom would have actually provided a bit of proof if this had been his OP Number23 Jan 2016 #132
Typical tactics noiretextatique Jan 2016 #107
OK Thom. Name the fundraiser SBS held. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #123
If Thom said it, House of Roberts Jan 2016 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #142
this doesn't pass the smell test bigtree Jan 2016 #161
Hartmann sounds like a snake oil salesman. RandySF Jan 2016 #164
And another solid Democrat goes under the bus. merrily Jan 2016 #177
You're attacking Thom frikkin Hartmann now? Seriously? Kentonio Jan 2016 #193
Thom Hartmann has been a DU member since 2006 Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2016 #203
I love Thom Hartmann! blondie58 Jan 2016 #202
DNC Beowulf42 Jan 2016 #206
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #229
If Thom Hartmann says something rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #231
Thom Hartmann that's the guy on Russian TV doc03 Jan 2016 #291
Hartman: Another Naderite that gave us Bush and the Iraq war redstateblues Jan 2016 #329
Drat! Major Hogwash Jan 2016 #334
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
17. Hartman is nothing but a political hack for Sanders
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jan 2016

He misleads his listeners about Clinton's: He is an ideologue
he would never understand a practical politician that work
for the best for their country.

Hartman doesn't know thing one about run for the nomination
and with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush.

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
26. Spoken Like A True HRC Supporter
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

Like it is said, "If you don't like the message, you kill the messenger".

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
75. That is right I am a Hillary supporter: I know Hartman has been
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

make up theories and nonsense about Hillary all along.

Hartman is no messenger: he is an attacker of Hillary
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
79. Hartmann has been supporting Hillary all along.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

He constantly says good things about her and never puts her down. If you've heard his show you'd know that.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
82. No he has not: He starts by saying program saying he supporters
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016


Hillary and then uses the rest of the program bashing and letting
Sanders supporters basher her.

Hartman just tries to be a little sly about it, but he doesn't
fool anyone:

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
84. If she's the nominee he'll gladly vote for and promote her.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jan 2016

He never says anything bad about her and often compliments her. But unfortunately, lewebley3, Hillary and her campaign make it hard for many of Thom's listeners to like her.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
96. In meantime he makes crazy theories about Hillary: and Pushes
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016

Sander who is only helping the GOP: Just like
Hartman helped Nader: he attack Gore so we all
got Bush.

I don't trust Hartman as a loyal Dem: he doesn't
care about the party: and its the party that
is only thing people have to keep out the GOP.

He radio man, with hot air:
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
169. So everything that ever went wrong is Thom Hartman's fault?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

Cuz he doesn't swoon for Hillary?

Thanks for that gem.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
205. Agreed. Almost as though a completely different person's at the helm, trying to immitate lewbely3
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

We almost never see more than a sentence or two from lewbely3... and usually no more than two maybe three comments. Now, there's several paragraphs, numerous comments in a single thread, and words being used that I've never seen from lewbely3.
Something doesn't feel right about all that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
211. Had the same experience with another Hillary supporter poster
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

a while back. Several people remarked about it. Then it changed back. Weird.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
272. Always a possibility. I was told by someone who claimed to have retired from the DNC
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

that the call centers try to group people with similar writing styles.

In the case I am talking about, though, not on this thread, it was a poster whose posts I sometimes find difficult to understand who was away for a while. When the poster returned, the posts were clear as a bell.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
322. I saw a couple of posters point it out and s/he/it never acknowledged it.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

Denials would not have changed anyone's mind anyway. It was just too obvious.

I'm interested to see what the robot posters will post.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
157. I can see that you don't listen to his show much
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

You just spew the stuff that you want to.
Sure, he favors Sanders, but he has spoken well of Clinton on many an occasion.
Whenever a caller calls in bashing Clinton, Thom always says that he will support her if she is the nominee.
You often have to listen to more than the first few minutes of the show to find this out though.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
99. Not only does he say good things about her,
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jan 2016

he doesn't allow others to put her down either. Anyone who gets negative on her, I have observed several times when he cuts them off and directs the flow to positive. He is a Bernie supporter, but he holds to the same high standards that Bernie sets in not going negative.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
103. Exactly! I've seen the same thing.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

He bends over backwards to be nice to Hillary and won't let anyone knock her.

I know Thom has standards, so it must be hard at times...

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
115. I only get 30 minutes to an hour as I drive to work,
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

but I have never heard him smear Hillary, have heard him say positive things, and have heard him stop others from going negative.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
234. Hartmann not messenger: he is a talk show host:
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

To Sander supporters he is your gr-grue: He is not a
messenger to the Dem party.



 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
31. a practical politician that work(s) for the best for their country.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016

Like those who think boots on the ground in Syria is good for the country.

Or that Big Banks weren't a big deal in the lousy economy.


"with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush."

You just lost any thinking person's support with that crap.

You heard it here folks! Hartman is the reason we had Bush!

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
39. +1
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

i wish these people would crawl back under their rock if they can't offer reasonable discussion.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
54. You forgot
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jan 2016

He is also a paid Putin propagandist as he has a show on RT. He must secretly support the Russian oligarchy and has been faking his librul beliefs all this time. This means, like Putin, he also admires Trump. Its so obvious.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
78. I have listen to Hartman's for years: He doesn't help Dem's
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

His show is about whining and complaining about people
have who who actually put themselves out for running
office.

He has to much hot air: he comes up crazy theories about
people he doesn't understands or knows
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
92. No, he comes on after Stephanie Miller: I was a fan for years
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)


He is for Sanders and has just turned Hillary basher I can't
listen to his long winded nonsense anymore.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
213. Strange that a person could be a fan for years and have no idea about the show's actual content eh?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
83. Okay, how many back and forths must we go this time?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

You've already tried, unsuccessfully because you aren't speaking the truth - to slander Hartmann.

HE DOES NOT BASH HILLARY. Try actually listening to him or else provide proof of your claims.

.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
133. Can't you see that no one believes you because a) they know better, and b) you refuse to link?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

So yes, do what you want when you want. But don't expect to be taken very seriously if you can't back your claims.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
266. You seem to not have any available time ...
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

To back up your ridiculous assertions . Maybe wash your hands , smearing all this shit cannot be sanitary .

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
236. The pod cast ready and waiting anytime: But I doubt Sanders people
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

will hear anything but what they want to hear.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
220. As Clinton supporter that I Claim to be: Hartmann talks out of two
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

sides of his mouth: that just is just my opinion concerning
Hillary. My Claim is that as supporter I hear nothing bashing and crazy
made up theories from Hartmann that have nothing to do
with his ideologue theories

Hillary was on Chris Mathews last night: She said it herself: she
is a practical politician that brings people together

and that she is a Dem: Hartmann pushes every crazy idea that that go back 20years or more:

He cannot judge Hillary he is an Ideologue and more than someone in the GOP

But I take your point about making my claim ittle to broad
for you to understand.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
222. As I said, you will reply endlessly, but without supporting your claims.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

Now, you've made even more claims about Hartmann.

Nothing is wrong with my understanding, nor did you say anything beyond my ken. Link or slink.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
227. Wrong: Hartmann cannot support his claims about Hillary: he just
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016


speculates about things Dem party he knows nothing about,


He would say anything to help Sanders

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
110. This post is deliberately misleading.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jan 2016

Regarding Thom's vote for Nadir, Thom has always pointed out that the state where he made this vote was already solidly going for the Democratic nominee. He knew that his vote for Nadir would cause utterly no problem for the Democrat.

My primary reason to come to DU is for enlightenment, not to be misled. Looking further at your posts regarding FELLOW DUer Thom Hartmann .....well let me put it this way: Have a nice day.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
146. Conservatives hate Hartman and all that dare speak truth to power. Thom is a progressive
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jan 2016

and progressives love him. Those that hate him are not progressives. Let's get this straight. The primary fight is between the Progressives and Sen Sanders and the Conservatives and their HRC.

The DNC, the corp-media and the conservative billionaires all favor H. Clinton because she is one of them, she is conservative. She voted with the other conservatives on the Iraq War, BECAUSE SHE IS A CONSERVATIVE.

We need change from the corruption of big money in government. HRC is not that change.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
232. Hartmann doesn't speak truth to power: He has never run for office: He
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jan 2016


is a radio host that just talks all day: about people who
are trying to makes things better by putting themselves
online by running office and taking risks.

Hartmann is nice: and mostly with his heart in right the
place: he is a little ego driven to help Sanders.

He just shouldn't pretend he is in the middle: he is a left
wing ideologue
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
235. What does Thom support that warrents you calling him an "ideologue"?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

What do progressives support that you don't agree with? I keep asking and can't get a response from those that want to separate themselves from the progressives.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
245. That's what I thought. It's Sanders' personality not issues.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

On what issues do you disagree with Thom enough to call him an ideologue?

Response to lewebley3 (Reply #246)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
265. You disparage the left or progressives as ideologues. What issues do these ideologues
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

support that you do not?

Here is a partial list of what progressives usually support:
Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
Opposing job killing "Free Trade" agreements
opposed to fracking for oil company profits over people's water
Helping college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
Making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
Ending the unregulated domestic spying
Ending drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands
Reducing the defense budget
Taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
Ending the militarization of our local police forces.
Ending Prisons for Profits
Legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
Funding rebuilding our neglected infrastructure.
Single payer health insurance.
Regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
Break up the big bank and media monopolies.

you can add others that you like.


 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
303. The verdict is in...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jan 2016

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster makes a habit of continually badgering other members believing that other owe him an explanation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:39 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Abuse of the jury system; ALERTER should be reprimanded.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, what's wrong with a poster asking another poster to explain his/her allegations?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You can't be serious. How does this call for alert?
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Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: A completely ridiculous alert.
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Explanation: No explanation given

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
305. Thanks for posting that. Sadly a "politically liberal" DU member wants to silence
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

instead of rebut. Apparently it's ok to call someone an ideologue but not ok to ask "why". I've been getting about one of these per day. The last one was also 0 - 7 leave.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
168. Half right wing isn't practical
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016

It's stupid. You can't include the problem as part of the solution.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
230. Another crazy useless theory: What works is people coming together
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jan 2016


no have ideologue in charge: they don't compromise that is what is
wrong with the GOP; Hilary has experience and will keep
an open mind: and when the opportunity comes she
work for all Americans as she has all along.

Politics is the art of the possible, not what every one wants.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
293. Yes it does: its call the Dem party and Hillary with other
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

have long history of working to get things done.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
307. No ideology = no core beliefs
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jan 2016

AKA rudderlessness reaction to whatever the right does. AKA including GOP input in solving problems caused by GOP policies.

AKA halfpublican

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
171. lewebley3, you're completely out in right field on this one.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

Thom Hartman has ever been on the forefront of the liberal winds. He's one of the few voices that speaks the from the heart of the progressive movement. You wont find him having ever bashed hillary, nor will you find anything he's said about her that wasn't true and substantiated.

"He handed the country to Bush." - You need to back off the crazy talk. You seriously need to dial it down and back away for a bit. Talk like that comes across as more than a little unhinged.

No single talk show host wields the power you're trying to ascribe him... I wish Thom had it... it would guarantee Sanders the presidency.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
184. Left field, my friend. There's nothing rightabout making false claims, esp. about Hartmann, not even
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:39 AM
Jan 2016

right field

As an aside, "way out in left field" was one of my mother in law's many expressions. Not being much of a follower of sports, I knew what she meant by it, but I never got the expression so vividly as I did when we went to Fort Myers to watch the Red Sox in spring training while Manny Ramirez was playing left field. Always a wild card (hence the expression "just Manny being Manny?), Manny really loosened up in spring training. One day, he was way, way out in the far corner of the field, performing for the fans. As I watched and laughed, I heard my mother-in-law's voice in my head saying, "He's way out in left field." And I finally really, truly got it.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
199. The choice of right versus left was actually intentional in this case.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jan 2016

The usual quote of being out in left field felt, to me, more like an implied compliment when viewed in the context of the political spectrum. I felt this was especially true as I've never seen anyone but a right-winger attack Thom Hartman the way lewbely3 did.

So, saying he was out in right field was a nod to the saying while also stating that the attack was more consistent with right-wing ideology. It was a wee bit obtuse on my part... but it was one of those moments where the concept crystalized in my head, and I just kinda had to go with it.

Either way, I appreciate your intent. Thanks!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
201. Not obtuse and I appreciate the explanation.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

As my politics buddy once observed, "I'd really like to know who decided that Republicans should sit on the right of the House." I barely even use the word "right" anymore. I use "correct."

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
204. Same here.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jan 2016

Too many conservatives deem being on the right and being right as one and the same. It's most irritating when it feeds someone's confirmation bias.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
280. Yep. OT, but watching Manny Ramirez act up and finally getting my
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jan 2016

mother in law's expression on a visceral level is such a fun memory for me. It was also the first time I actually enjoyed watching a baseball game. Thank you for allowing me to indulge myself in that anecdote without complaining.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
226. He doesn't speak for Dem's: He bashes the Dem party: He is a Sanders supporter
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016


I know I did listen to him for years: He did support Nader, I heard
doing his buddy thing with Nader just before Bush was elected.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
259. Link or slink. Its your claim, you have the burden of proof.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

And before you go there, telling others to listen to unspecified podcasts isn't proof.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
295. No the burden you to do your homework, and get a pod cast
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jan 2016

He is going down the road like Randy Rhodes,
she was okay until she had a melt down: She
had vicious cat attack on Hillary in a very
personal way (to be fair Randy attack other
people too).

I like him until he started running Sanders campaign
from is his radio show.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
296. Sorry but that's not how argumentation works. You made a claim, you have the burden of proof.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

A claim made without proof is dismissible without proof. No proof? Didn't happen.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
208. The SCOTUS handed the country to Bush.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jan 2016

I am so sick of this false Nader bullshit coming up again and again.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
219. Then you are sick of the truth: Sanders people are Nader people
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

who gave the country Bush: they are same people who
occupied Wall St and are now whining about GOP politics
with Wall St: that didn't show up to vote

While real Dem's were out knocking on doors to keep
Dem seats: Sanders supporter were just out bashing
banks, country and Dem's:

But didn't vote

I am sick of the lazy whining of the far left at Dem party
who do the real work to protect the American people the
best they can.

Nader supporters are self indulgent

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
263. Dude, I live in Tennessee and I voted for Gore.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

If Gore had won our home state, it wouldn't have mattered.

I also voted for Obama.

I won't, however, vote for Hillary. Therefore, your assertion is crap.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
331. Someone I love in Missouri offered to "trade votes" with me in 2004.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jan 2016

He would vote for Kerry in Missouri, where it might matter some, if I would vote for Nader in Massachusetts, where it would not matter at all. In hindsight, my choice was probably not in Kerry's best interests and I wanted him to win, so points off for teh stupid. However, I just could not bring myself not to vote Democratic.

The false crap that gets posted on this board about Nader, leftists, etc., is contemptible.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
269. What a torrent of counterfactual bullshit.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jan 2016

Sanders people are not 'Nader people'
Nader didn't cost Gore the election, SCOTUS did.
Occupy was and is one of the key sources of the political awakening among the young.
Young people do vote, and turned out big for Obama...twice.
Your characterization of Sanders supporters and the 'far left' smacks of agism and willful ignorance of the politics over the last 20 years.

Pedal your selfish elite establishment nonsense elsewhere. DI might be a better fit for you.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
297. I thought older Democrats were breaking for Clinton by huge margins.....
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

That undercuts your "Yes they are!" exclamation since most Sanders supporters were not old enough to vote for McGovern or Mondale.
I'm unclear as to what your issue with those two men is either.....
Essentially you have presented no facts that back up your 'assertions' in this thread.
Just an incomprehensible word salad of bullshit.


 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
298. Media matters says; Hillary has one of the strongest level
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

of support from the Dem's in history right now.

But even better over all most already American trust Hillary to
lead the country.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
299. Having a "Squirrel" moment?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

Try to stay on topic here.
What were you trying to say about young Sanders supporters voting for Nader, McGovern, and Mondale?
You're all over the place on this and seen to have a lack of understanding of both recent American history and the political process.

And what happened to you over the last month or so?
You used to write in coherent sentences.
Now you have out of place words and your sentence structure is garbled.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
210. Thom Hartmann
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jan 2016

He's an actual liberal, in a world full of con-servative radio. He's always been in league with Sanders, and that's a great thing, because Sanders is a human-connected Democrat, instead of the modern corporate connected version, like Bill and Hillary, or Obama.

I understand Sanders volunteered for raising money for the DNC. That said, it really would not bother me if he didn't. The modern Democratic Party needs a stake driven through it's heart. We need to get back to the party of workers, or unions. We need to get back to regulating corporations, not taking huge contributions and joining Republicans in allowing oil spills, fiery train derailments and such. We need to get back to a party that includes the poor in their platform, working or not, one that pulls for good minimum wages, and full-employment economies, one that focuses more on our home, than on killing foreigners in every skirmish across the globe, one that puts 90% of their effort toward helping America, not more effort at killing others in foreign lands, creating MORE terrorists.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
261. A. He does not lie about Clinton.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jan 2016

Just because he accurately describes her lousy policies, doesn't make it a lie. He DOES, however, defend her and warns people to vote for her if she's the nominee because he thinks she's better than any Republican.

B. He did vote for Nader, but while living in a very, very blue state. His vote wasn't going to change the fact that Vermont would go for Gore.

C. Supporting Nader did not give the country to Bush. The Supreme Court did that. Gore actually won Florida.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
332. Hartman only knows Hillary from the cheap seats of knowledge
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016


Hartman has never run for office: he doesn't
under stand politics: He understands issues
that is why he talks all day.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
333. What lousy policies she is not President of US now:
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

The GOP have lousy policies, they crashed the economy
after the Clintons handed the country a healthy economy,
that was in the black, just like Brown is doing in Calif.
Obama polices have worked, and the country has
gotten better under him: its the GOP that have
blocked wages, and blocked national infastruction
projects that would have rebuilt the middle class
in whole if the GOP wouldn't stepped in its way.

Eisenhower's GOP, would have supported the rebuilding
of America: Todays GOP hate Obama skin more than
the care about the America: but then they are just
a party of greed nowadays:

Don't underestimate the damage the GOP with their
new party of greed hate will do if Dem's
don't stop them.
Heck, under Bush more than 50,000 factories closed: Mitt was
closing down factories while he was running for office.


Response to lewebley3 (Reply #17)

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
3. I don't buy that
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jan 2016

This is the kind of thing that .5% of political junkies pay attention to. No other voter has even heard of this "controversy," thus it would be massively ineffective as a "divisive tactic." I'm almost certain the DNC would rather have the money.

Response to jkbRN (Reply #6)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
121. Telling someone to "just go away" over a sig pic is a "polite request" now?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, wait. Just saw who I was responding to.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
128. I have absolutely no idea why you feel the need to insert yourself into this conversation
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jan 2016

and why you think that putting a "please" in front of a needless, mean spirited request makes anything better, but this is probably one of the dumbest conversations this web site has ever seen. And that's really saying something.

I've never seen people so eager, actually DESPERATE to fight over nothing. And it is ever so telling. And quite unintentionally hilarious.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
188. Your posts to and about everyone not in line with you have been quite consistent as well.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:52 AM
Jan 2016

And I've finally had a bellyful. Had you on ignore and GD: P trashed until I got called to jury one of your particularly acidic posts in GD .

In any event, since your posts to and about Bernie supporters have been so very consistent, I do get your approval of consistency. Bear in mind what Emerson said, though.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
250. Always the same.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jan 2016

How DARE you respond to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good God if it weren't so utterly pitiful it would be funny. Or is it the other way around?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
252. Wow, I actually skipped right over this post when it showed up in My Posts!
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

It's as though I knew prematurely you've have nothing of interest to say...

Reading now...

Right. I'm sure there is something interesting in all of that tangle of words but I got caught up in the "USED to have me on ignore." Would be immensely obliged if that were to change pronto. Gracias!

Oh, and that goes QUADRUPLE for the little hanger on-er that always shows up in threads to high five anyone that tries to come after me but yet, never seems capable of doing so himself. Not that I'm complaining (or even all that interested) either way.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
275. Tangle, my ass. Six minutes, my ass. Hanger on? What on earth are you on about?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

AFAIK, I've replied to one of your imperious posts only once before this thread and, IIRC, that was over a year ago.

Then again, never mind. I don't care and I'm sure whomever you're ranting about will get your "quadruple" message telepathically, even though you posted it to me, for whatever bizarre reason. LOL!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
277. Damn, I was haughty downthread and now I've been promoted to "imperious??"
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

Hot damn, that's pretty spiffy!

If only all of these high falutin' adjectives -- which all sound so INCREDIBLY close to uppity -- came from someone who's opinion I genuinely cared about I'd be feeling pretty good about myself right now...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
281. I don't need to "play a victim" everyone here sees what you guys are about
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jan 2016

Wait, were you guys actually trying to be subtle?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
282. Everyone here has been your posts to and about Bernie supporters.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jan 2016

And, again, I answer for my posts and only mine. I have not tried to hang all the ugly posts of every Hillary supporter on you. That's nonsense.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
283. Oh, I know you guys must have seen my posts re: Sanders supporters because NOTHING ELSE
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016

could even come close to explaining this absolutely idiotic pile on from your crew over my innocuous first post in this thread.

Like I said, do you really think you guys are subtle?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
312. I said the exact same thing. I love how some of these folks around here think that they are subtle
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

Far be it for us to let them know that everyone -- and I do mean EVERYONE -- sees right through them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
185. I wish I had a nickel for every time a Hillary supporter told this person or group or another to
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:42 AM
Jan 2016

leave DU.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
134. Probably the same reason I feel the need to insert myself right here.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jan 2016

As my good friend Sid says, I like pissing off all the right people. Welcome to the DISCUSSION BOARD.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
141. LOL!!!!!
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

Keep trying, dear. And maybe, JUUUUUST maybe, you'll get somebody to buy that faux concern one day.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
143. I'm not DEAR to you. Don't ever do that again. Clear?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

I won't take the personal attack. Again, I ask you, what do you have against BLM? If you have something to say, this, right now, is the time for you to screw up your courage and speak clearly. If you don't have the courage of your convictions, then move along. But in either case, you're to stop with the condescending name-calling.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
144. You jumped up into this for no other reason than you wanted to get into it with somebody
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jan 2016

and now you've got it. The idea that you think you can tell me or anyone else here what to do is simply PRECIOUS and beyond adorable, particularly when you initiated this idiotic and pointless conversation.

Don't like it, float on, dearie. And everyone here has seen your unhinged attacks against Black Lives Matter members so I have no idea why you are going the "who me??" route.

I thought the exchange with that other poster upthread was going to be the dumbest, most excruciatingly unnecessary exchange I was going to have today!! You have already run RINGS around that bit of nothing!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
153. I asked you to stop calling me Dear. I meant it when I asked you that.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know how to make this any clearer to you.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
155. FLOAT ON and I won't have to call you anything at all. And believe me, NO ONE wants that more
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

than I do.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
158. You won't have to, or you won't choose to?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jan 2016

Are you aware that you're using the same rationale that some very, very bad actors have used throughout history? Sure, this is on a tiny Internet scale, but you went there. You CHOSE to name-call, and you chose to do it after I very specifically asked you to cease with the name-calling. Your sense of personal responsibility is your own. But I'm telling you to stop with this "dear" bullshit.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
162. The person who called a black activist "subhuman" is now whining about being called "dear"
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jan 2016

This is probably DU's Surreal Moment of the Year and is every bit as boring as it is hypocritical.

Even though I posted this to another poster it is incredibly apropos here:

I've never seen people so eager, actually DESPERATE to fight over nothing. And it is ever so telling. And quite unintentionally hilarious.


So by all means, keep up this yawn inducing chest thumping over "dear." This isn't the most unnecessarily idiotic thing posted on the Internet ever or anything. So kind of you to squeeze this bit of nothing in between the other 6 shouting matches and hilariously pointless chest thumping you're doing in this thread.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
221. Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.

I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?

I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.

That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
241. I love this idiotic pile on. Please keep it coming.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jan 2016

If you recall, I was the one who asked for "civility"when I addressed a poster who basically demanded that someone leave DU for no other reason than a picture in their signature line. For that crime, a couple of DU's "finest" decided to pile on and and jump on my back for reasons that only they will truly ever understand or care about.

Lovely to see you've added yourself to this illustrious list. And if you think that calling someone "subhuman" because they upset your precious presidential candidate is justified or called for, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know that. It's too bad that girl that was called "subhuman" just wasn't one of the "good ones" right?? Hopefully she's learned her lesson.

Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before and that was probably for a very good reason. I know what to expect now.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
247. I dont recall you asking for civility.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

Looking at your comments, it'd be more than reaching to come to that conclusion. What I do find is that you've chosen to leap to the defense of the third way. Lovely to see you've added yourself to this dubious list.

And if you think that implying that I called or agree with calling someone "subhuman" because your upset your precious third way support and lack of civility has been challenged, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know where your allegiances lie, and that you'll gladly seek to conflate one person's statements as being another's.

It's too bad that woman chose the actions she did. Bernie and the Host were trying to be accommodating... but she wasn't interested in that so much as trying to create a scene and to offend people. Kinda reminds me of what you're doing right now.

Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before either. And since I suffer trollish behavior poorly, I see it was for good reason. I also know what to expect from you, and promise you'll be on my short list of candidates to be blocked should that style of discussion from you continue.

Have a great day!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
248. Your very clear defense of a poster who called a black activist "subhuman" is FAR more damning than
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jan 2016

your made up, BS claim that I "defended" the Third Way.

You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked. Well done.

Edit: And for shits and giggles just checked your favorite group on your profile. Gee, no surprises there. None at all.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
249. Your very clear defense of a poster who supports the third way is FAR more damning and legimate
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

than your made up, BS claim that I "defended" a poster who called a black activist "subhuman".
Well, well, well... would ya look at that. Works both ways.

I may go so far as to say its possible you're not defending the third way... you are still, however, being hypocritical by calling names while being "offended" that the poster in question is doing so.

"You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked." Right back atcha.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
251. Glad that you acknowledged that my "defense" of the Third Way is something you pulled squarely
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jan 2016

out of your backside. Props on the progress, no matter how small.

But it's hilarious that you have chosen to leap to the defense of a poster who called a black Black Lives Matter activist "subhuman" -- which you have made it ABUNDANTLY clear you have no issue with and couldn't care about in in the least -- while simultaneously wailing and howling over me calling that same poster "dear."

I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.

Edit: Oh and let's copy your post where you very clearly defended the calling of a BLM activist subhuman just in case you "accidentally" hit that self delete button:


Bubzer (1,773 posts)
221. Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself.

You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.

I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?

I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.

That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.


Definitely warrants calling someone "subhuman." Absolutely. Like I said, hopefully she's learned her lesson and is one of the "good ones" now.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
253. There you go, stretching things again. The truth is a real problem for you it would seem.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

You're defending someone who's third way. You came to their defense. Very clearly one could easily make the argument that you're defending the third way. I opened the door a smidge and said it was possible you were not...not that you did not. As for the subhuman comment, I'll gladly come out and say I strongly disagree with that term being used on anyone.

That said, you're not excused from hypocrisy. A person asked you multiple times to cease your derogatory name calling. It wasn't an onerous request. You could have made your point without resorting to name calling... I might have even chipped in an agreement... in fact, the only reason we're having this conversation is you chose to be hypocritical instead of taking the higher road.

"I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now." - The only thing loud and clear from me, is my UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person's call for civility. To quote you: An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
256. I defended absolutely NO ONE. The fact that this very simple fact escapes you is one of the reasons
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jan 2016

this conversation has gone no where. That and your loud defense of a poster slamming a black activist with one of the nastiest, and yes, racist terms you can use to describe another person.

Me: Taking issue with someone demanding someone leave DU because of a sig pic and then not backing down when several posters -- you now included -- who are WELL KNOWN on DU for being some of the nastiest, most hateful people here decide to come after me, including a poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."

You: Jumping in to "correct" me for calling someone 'dear' while having nary the first fucking word to say about the person who asked someone to leave DU because of a sig pic OR the poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."

Do you see now the fault in this excruciating conversation and why I am dying laughing at it?? I sincerely don't see how you could be more hypocritical and yet... you are STILL HERE. Talking away, trying your hardest to chastise me as if you have a leg to stand on or as if any of this is making you look good.

I genuinely don't know which is funnier. Your wails and crocodile tears over me calling that poster "dear" or your copying and pasting my comments to you back to me. Either way I am literally wiping away tears reading your posts. Why don't you find something else to do? You have already exposed yourself and I don't understand what all of these extra words and posts are supposed to be doing to help you.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
257. You defended absolutely no one? Really?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016
... ... ... ... ... ... ......

Okay. Your hypocrisy is just too much. I'm done with you.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
258. Yes, I can see why "think that's your call to make?" comes across as this strong defense to you
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jan 2016

You could practically SMELL the rage coming off my post when I asked those, what ten words in my initial post!!one

I'm done with you

Thank the Lord. But you've been done waaaaayyy longer than you seem to realize.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
187. It's what happens on a thread on a discussion board. People reply to whatever
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:49 AM
Jan 2016

sense or nonsense they feel like replying to. You've been here since 2008, so this can't possibly be news to you. Get over it.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
242. And yet another of DU's finest chimes in for no reason
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

You guys bring so much joy and delight to this board. I have no idea how long you've been here but I'm sure every single day has been a blessing to those of us fortunate enough to be in your online presence.

I'm sure you've been able to educate and illuminate tons of times in the six minutes a week that you're here and not jumping into useless pile on and launching personal attacks for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
271. LOL! Look who's talking about personal attacks!
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jan 2016

Too bad you waste so much of your time posting how terrible Bernie's supporters are. After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us--or your opinion about anything, really. I've finally had enough to object and hope some other Bernie supporters will follow suit. Thanks for this laugh, though. I love irony. Ta ta, TT

Number23

(24,544 posts)
276. Yes, you guys have done a fine, exceptional job of showing me how wrong I am to think that alot
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

of Sanders "supporters" here represent the worst of this web site and want nothing more than to fight with everything and everyone.

After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us

Yes, the pile on by damn near a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters -- no one else, all Sanders supporters to a one -- because I dared to question why someone was demanding someone leave DU over a pic in their sig line definitely proves your assertion that none of you care about what I think. If only I could have gotten the last hot guy I mooned over to be so "uncaring" I'd probably be calling him my husband.

And I'm haughty now, huh?? Sounds incredibly close to uppity. And coming from you, I'll take it as the compliment you so obviously unintentionally meant it to be. And I sincerely, truly and DEEPLY hope you mean what you say about putting me on ignore. Silence from you would be the sweetest of gifts. And I mean that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
279. See Reply 278. FYI, I am one poster.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jan 2016

Despite the irony in my Reply 278, I don't actually believe anyone else is going to extract a telepathic message from your posts to me. So, ranting about others when you post to me makes no sense at all. It's just hot air. But, you knew that. Oh, and I did not say I was going to put you on ignore. I said I once had you on ignore, until I found out jurying forced me to read your rants, anyway. Reading is your friend. Ranting, not so much.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
284. Oh, I know full well and good who you are
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jan 2016

You better believe that. And I'm not talking about the banned poster since I saw you try that in your response to this post.

And I think it's hilarious that you're trying to pretend that you won't put me on ignore because that somehow then "forces" you to read my posts when they are apparently, inevitably juried on. That is absolutely too precious.

But thanks for the heads up, no matter how absurd. I've had a couple of empty spaces on my jury blacklist for a very long time and perhaps it's time for an update.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
285. That you've never had me on your jury blacklist before speaks volumes.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

Especially when I once had you on my ignore list. Thanks for the commendation!

On edit: I'm not Better Believe It or whatever that banned poster's name was and I've never been banned. Feel free to check with Skinner. So, you should keep that sly slur to yourself. Nitey nite.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
286. I'd just be happy if you floated on and left me alone
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

But I'd be extremely happy with you putting me on ignore. Like, OVERJOYED happy.

Adding me to your black list is probably a very nice (and now probably very necessary) extra bit of protection.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
289. You jumped into this thread to talk to me and now won't leave me alone or put me on ignore
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

despite needlessly announcing that you "had me on ignore in the past" as if I'd noticed or cared and despite my endless, heartfelt pleas for you to put me BACK on ignore. And even though you've hilariously and pointlessly said "nighty nite" five times by now in this thread, you keep replying to me.

So yeah, I appear to be in your head and taking up some space and I gotta tell you, that ain't where I want to be. Not one freaking bit! Nothing would make me happier than your last "nighty night" being the last one.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
290. "Jumped into a thread" on a message board. LOL! Too funny.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:12 AM
Jan 2016

Replies are actually Standard Operating Procedure on a message board. You've been posting since 2008 and certainly should have grokked that by now. Nonetheless, I explain that very thing to you within the last 9 hours and suggested you get over it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=977757

However, you've circled back to the implicit claim that posters don't have a right to reply to you. And now, you've added the gloss that replying to you on a message board creates some obligation to continue a discussion with you as long as you care to keep it going. What a unreal sense you have of the duty I have to you!

Funny as that may have been the first time around, I don't find your comments enjoyable enough to hang around while you repeat yourself.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
292. WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING GOODBYE AND NOT LEAVING??
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jan 2016

What is going on with you? Do you not understand what "goodbye" and "nighty nite" mean in the context of the English language??

And my comments are not saying that you cannot respond to me. My bewilderment is that you KEEP responding to me even after MULTIPLE proclamations that you are not going to continue doing so and that you once had me on ignore so that you wouldn't have to read what I write but now seem to be going OUT OF YOUR WAY to not only read what I write but keep responding to it when you CLEARLY have nothing interesting to say.

For God's sake, use your jury blacklist and ignore like you said THREE POSTS AGO that you were going to. This has gone from pointless and stupid to simply bizarre now. I am ing and ing at the same time. This is absolutely BIZARRE. If your intent with all of this was to prove that I was wrong about the caliber of Sanders supporters that you represent, you have failed deeply, truly and HILARIOUSLY.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
264. You inserted yourself into the converation, why can't senz?
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jan 2016

Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
267. This has reached new levels of absurdity now
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jan 2016

But I truly don't believe that any of you guys participating in this have even the remotest capacity to understand that. Not in the least.

Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?

I'd laugh but at this point, I'm kind of laughed out. And I've already pointed out several times how incredibly hysterical and hypocritical you guys have been in this thread. Now, you're just beautifully illustrating my point and helping me out. Not that I ever, EVER needed it.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
306. Lord have mercy!!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016

WTF was that hot mess?

I just scanned this little tag team showdown, and like you, I'm wiping away the tears.

WTF was that??


Girl, I just gotta say...if that wasn't the finest demonstration of your point, I don't know what it would be.

All I know is that apparently, a bellyful was had.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
310. Because apparently to some, NOTHING proves "Sanders supporters are good, kind and noble"
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

better than a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters trying to crawl up and down my backside for daring to question why someone more or less demanded that someone else leave DU because of a Third Way pic in their sig line -- all while pretending that the nasty and unnecessary request was "polite," that calling someone "dear" is far, FAR worse than calling someone "subhuman," and pointlessly announcing that I used to be on ignore but then denying my genuine and heartfelt pleas for them to put me BACK on ignore . And the sad little high five from the ever present member of the Peanut Gallery was the precious little cherry that this Sundae of Senselessness needed.

Got called uppity, I mean "imperious" AND haughty. A Hillary supporter (as per usual. And funnily enough, that "insult" from them is clearly the strongest arrow in their quiver) and a "defender" of the ubiquitous Third Way. It's been a hell of a good time. And I'm sure these same folks will continue to furrow their brows, forever quizzical why they make up the vast majority of tombstoned posters, timed out posters or people unable to serve on juries.

Sorry this post is so long but the recap was a bitch! And I left a bunch of stuff out! Like we both said, they could not have proven my opinion about them and their behavior more thoroughly, more gloriously and more hilariously than they did in this thread. And I thank every last single one of them.

Response to Number23 (Reply #310)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
315. LOL!! I thought I was taking up space in that other poster's head
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

but I appear to have purchased a whole block of (admittedly low budget) condos in yours.

Your post is so embarrassing and ridiculous I don't even see the point in giving it much credence. The desperation and misery that leads people to carry on like you and your crew does is its own reward. I would expect nothing less than someone like you to call me "race baiting." I genuinely see your hatred -- because that's exactly what is is -- as a badge of honor. I TRULY need for you and your co-horts to understand that.

Should probably get a cloth to wipe that keyboard down. I'm sure that sucka is DRENCHED.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
316. And there you have it...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

Well that little exhibitition pretty much sealed the deal.

That was incredibly nasty.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
154. The DNC would not rather have Bernie collect money for the DNC. If Bernie were to collect and
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

donate money to the DNC to be distributed to other candidates for lower offices then they could not claim exclusivity for Hillary.

Know who many of those candidates are? Super delegates, that's who.

Do you think when they distribute that money that any will go to a super delegate that supported Bernie?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
186. I think you could be on to something.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:43 AM
Jan 2016

I don't know if a (relatively) few dollars from Bernie at this time would sway a Super Delegate. However, I think certain people would love to keep saying things like, "He's never done a thing for the Democratic Party" without fear of contradiction. If I am correct, the sillies could have it both ways by taking the money and saying "He never did a thing for the Party until he ran for President," which they have been saying anyway.

And, of course, it enables them to say things like "Hillary raised $18 million for other Democrats and Bernie raised nothing," without getting bogged down in detail and contradictions.

Nice deducing there, A Simple Game!

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
196. Thanks for the praise, it means a lot coming from you merrily.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jan 2016

Yes I really do believe it is intentional, Hillary and DWS don't care how much they raise for down ticket candidates. They don't even care if Democrats beat Republicans as noted when DWS campaigned openly for Republicans in Florida. They only care about getting Hillary back to the White House.

It seems they have an agenda and it has nothing to do with improving the United States or even the Democratic party.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
197. I agree with you.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jan 2016

In theory, the job of the DNC--and therefore of DWS--is to promote all Democratic candidates for President impartially. I don't think it did that in 2008, and I don't think it's doing it now.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
198. Politicians of Hillary's and DWS's caliber rarely do anything without a reason.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jan 2016

That includes as in this case not doing something, like supporting Bernie's request to collect donations for the DNC.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. I thought that the DNC was evil?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

I mean, that what I hear on DU all the time.

DNC bad!!

So either ...

A) The DNC is evil, and so Bernie would be correct to not help them raise money,

OR ...

B) The DNC is NOT evil, and so Bernie should absolutely be helping them raise money.

Which is it??

DNC evil, or not evil?



Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
8. False dichotomy.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016

DNC leadership isbad right now. Bernie should support the DNC. Bernie has offered. DNC has not taken him up on it because . . . wait for it . . . bad leadership.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
27. Yep. Bernie is not Thirdway. Bernie offers
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

to help the Thirdway DNC. DNC refuses because Bernie is not Thirdway. The Thirdway is a crime against the American population along with the Republicans.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
209. Good question. We should find out who has that sig line and get them to share the link!
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jan 2016

Delete the space between "http://i.imgur.com/" and "e4E1Bdm.jpg" then paste it into your sig line

http://i.imgur.com/ e4E1Bdm.jpg

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
12. Any organization can fall into bad hands.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

That doesn't make the organization itself bad.

We should try not to play games.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
45. Then why do I see the DNC being trashed regularly ...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

... particularly by supporters of Sanders?

I mean, equating Hillary supporters with the DNC is generally a slur around here.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
74. Because with DWS, the DNC fell into bad hands.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

DWS is a former Hillary campaign organizer in Florida. She is in the pocket for Hillary and has taken actions that are advantageous to Hillary and disadvantageous to Sanders and O'Malley.

It is surprising that you don't know this, Joe.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
86. Then again, why give DWS any help?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

She runs the DNC, making it mean any nasty ... so why would Bernie help her?

She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
91. I don't think Bernie sees it that way.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jan 2016

Also, you rely too much on exaggeration. It comes off angry and sarcastic and I don't think it helps to make your point.

Reread what you said --

She runs the DNC, making it mean any nasty ... so why would Bernie help her?

She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
94. I'm repeating what I hear from Bernie ...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

... supporters right here on DU.

Connecting some one (anyone) to the DNC on DU is usually an attack. A way to claim some one is not a real liberal.

You pretending to not be aware of that fact does nothing to help your argument.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
101. Not from Bernie, from some of his supporters
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

and that's because DWS is the proverbial "rotten apple that spoils the whole bunch."

DNC needs a good cleaning and airing out.

As for real liberals, you do realize that DLC/Third Way/Blue Dog Dems aren't real liberals, don't you? This should be obvious.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
111. That's what I meant by exaggeration
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

with a sizable undertone of sarcasm.

The only people I've known who did that were middle-aged conservative men who were in the habit of practicing self-control at all times. If I were dealing with that, I'd probably try funny movies, getting outdoors and running around, playing sports, hugging the people I love, being with kids, and just ... playing.



LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
119. By your logic he should also shun running for President
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

Because the office of the President has not been as progressive as Bernie would like.

Bernie is running as a Democrat. This means that WHEN he gets elected, he will need as many Democrats in the House and Senate to help pass legislation. So it makes perfect sense to raise money for the greater cause. This is a separate issue than the head of the DNC being in the tank for Hillary.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
138. But if the DNC is helping to elect more Dems ...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

... won't those Dems be bad Dems?

Again ... the DNC is vilified here on DU on a a daily basis.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
215. You keep equating the current DNC leadership with the DNC. The DNC has been co-opted.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

That doesn't make the organization bad... it makes the organization mismanaged. Under DWS, the DNC lacks any semblance of the fairness we dems tend to demand. Being unsupportive of the current leadership has little to do with being supportive of other Dems. Denouncing the DNC's actions is the right thing to do for those who want to pressure DWS out of leadership. That's nowhere near your hyperbolic "evil" appellation.

If your child misbehaves, you punish the child, else they'll do it again. It's no different with the DNC. With Debbie at the helm, the DNC is misbehaving... dems are calling out the organization for the biased actions directed by DWS. She has become toxic within the democratic party. When (not if) she is no longer in leadership, she'll be heavily marginalized, and her ability to affect political changes will be diminished. That, in effect, is the punishment... not to mention the clear conflict of interest between her and hillary, visible to the voting public. So, hillary is negatively impacted as well.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
243. Nice move of the goalposts there
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

So you've conceded the point that raising money for the DNC is not the same as donating to Hillary's campaign, or endorsing DSW. good.

So now on to your new angle:
Bernie has absolutely zero influence on this election cycle on who is running and who is not running as a Democrat. Would he prefer being able to work with true Democrats instead of those mostly southern based Blue Dog DINOs? Of course. But just as I can concede, however distasteful it is, that Hillary Clinton in the White House would be preferable than any of the clowns in the Republican party, I'm sure Bernie would also rather have more Ds than Rs to work with. He would also IMO be a little less shy to call out and embarrass those DINOs than Obama ever had the stomach for.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
88. Folks keep explaining how bad the DNC and
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016

... and DWS are.

Apparently, they hate Bernie, so why would he help them?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
156. Yep. You've found the limit of my intellect, in a one-line post.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jan 2016

You should be thankful for such small surprises. And while you make that into a koan, you might also meditate on my original meaning, rather than on your own Comeback Remark Score (you got a 7.1--not bad).

merrily

(45,251 posts)
326. If 10 is the highest, then 7.1 is way too generous for
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jan 2016

"Is that all you've got?"It's canned. With 10 being the highest possible score, I'd give it a .5. JMO.

Oh! Maybe this is why they never asked me to judge any Olympic events? Well, that and my near total lack of knowledge. But I do know something about evaluating posts.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
150. That settles it. I don't know
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jan 2016

who you are but I admire how you handle these things.

The way you dealt with the individual who called you "dear" got my admiration going. I've been practicing assertiveness lately and that was a particularly good example of how it's done. So, thanks!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
160. And I don't really know who you are, but I've been enjoying your posts.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

Nice to meet you, senz. I wish I could live up to the nice words you said about me, but that's not always the case. Anyway, I do appreciate it, and I'll see you on the front lines.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
147. C) The DNC is engaging in an elaborate scheme to bypass limits
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Victory fund money goes to state party and then is transfered back to the DNC.

The party, in a monthly report filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission, said it raised $43,500 from the Hillary Victory Fund, with $10,000 donations from billionaires, including hedge fund manager S. Donald Sussman and Hyatt hotel heir J.B. Pritzker.

In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, to the Democratic National Committee -- a move that, while legal, helps to effectively “obliterate” federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.

http://www.adn.com/article/20151221/outside-billionaires-fuel-joint-effort-between-clinton-alaska-democrats

I think Bernie should steer clear of this. It isn't much of a problem for his campaign as few of his donors are maxed out.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
189. No end to the fscking "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" gotcha bs, now is there? None.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:58 AM
Jan 2016

What was the date of Sanders' agreement with the DNC?

More importantly, why are more concerned with whether Sanders agreeing to raise money for other Dems than you are with whether the DNC has been fair to everyone who is running, or was running, for the 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination. Cause I haven't seen one professional journalist or pundit, Republican or Democrat, criticizing Sanders for agreeing to raise money for other Dems, but I sure have seen and heard a lot about how unfair the DNC is being when its job is to be impartial.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
50. indeed, some gladly become the best witness for their own prosecution
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

it's almost like martyrdom is attached to defending any and all hillarian efforts, and despite how indefensible they are shown to be

merrily

(45,251 posts)
190. Really? I've seen he Clintons pass the buck PLENTY. What I have seen only rarely, and only
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:12 AM
Jan 2016

when one or both of them have something to gain by it, is taking responsibility.

As for your unjustified statements about what you do or don't buy, pffft. Not the least bit persuasive and who cares anyway?

I'll take Hartmann's word that he made public under his real name, giving the DNC opportunity to rebut (if it can), over a simple, anonymous "I don't buy it" any day of the week and twice on Wednesdays.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. This should be posted in the Bernie group.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jan 2016

Any pro-Bernie thread posted anywhere else gets a slew of responses from ignorant Hillary wannabes. Please post this in the Bernie group if you haven't already. Thanks. Great post.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
58. Right. Because it's always so much better to get a one-sided response.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016


Some of us aren't afraid to post in GDP, where someone might disagree with us.

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
319. Been meaning to ask
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

is there a theme to your sig line photos? I find them all rather odd and disturbing.

Also, is that Robin Williams in your avatar?

Response to senz (Reply #319)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
323. Okay.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

I loved Robin Williams. Loved his intelligence, his quickness, humor, kindness, heart, his broad shoulders and hairy chest, just everything about him. At work, he was the screen saver on my computer, to the amusement of my coworkers. I knew he had depressions, alcohol abuse, problems. After his suicide, I was angry with his wife, as reading between the lines I determined that she didn't really love him. After learning about the Lewy Body Dementia diagnosis, I could understand why he did what he did. Later I found out how lonely he had been as a child and wished again that I could have known him, could have given him the love he needed. I hope he's happy somewhere.

If hope your attraction to messed up people is based in compassion and not in superiority, curiosity or ridicule. I also hope you realize that most if not all "normal" people have layers and layers and layers.

Response to senz (Reply #323)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
335. ...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jan 2016

I hope my questions were not the reason you removed your photographs. I had not intended to make you feel self-conscious, and though I initially questioned the motives behind the photos, your response addressed my concerns and so there was nothing left to say. Glad you also cared about Robin Williams, and if any of this made you uncomfortable, please accept my apology.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. Is THAT what I've been seeing?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

I wondered what all of this "Bernie doesn't raise money for others" crap was about.

I suppose Hillary is going to be in debt for millions to polling firms and ask for a bailout like the last time.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
32. Thom has consistently discussed topics on DU, mentioning DU specifically when it sources from here.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
42. "Random"?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jan 2016

Like he put on a blindfold and threw a dart? Of course not.

And yes, political commentators are generally aware of the internet. I'm sure you wouldn't be so sanguine under similar circumstances favoring Clinton.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
55. I don't particularly care one way or another
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

The only reason I even bother posting somewhat in favor of Clinton around these parts is that the place is overwhelmingly for Bernie.

My primary isn't until March and I likely won't even bother to show up for it. I let the die-hard activists figure it all out anyway.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
60. I'm not invested in the primary. I'll let those who are the strong advocates fight it out.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

And I'll support whoever comes out on top from those that are putting in the hard work to suss out who's best.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
66. I can't believe what I'm reading here!
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jan 2016

Every voter is an advocate--that pretty much defines the word. I wince every time I hear someone--anyone!--say something like that.

You're effectively abrogating your responsibility as a citizen with that way of thinking. I don't care who you support, however weakly, or to whatever extent you may believe your vote doesn't count.

Forgive me for saying so, but that mindset is as responsible as anything for the condition of this country.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
69. You've got maybe five years on me
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

and I'll give most folks a run for their money when it comes to jadedness, believe me.

Don't give in on this, and I say this to the most ardent Clinton supporters (and all others) as well:

Vote, Goddammit!

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
175. in my state, if you do not vote for a candidate in the primary
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 02:05 AM
Jan 2016

in your registered party, you are unable to vote in the general

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
33. YES, Thom Did Mention It AND It Does Happen To Be
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

THE TRUTH! But, truth isn't something that has much meaning when THE BIG BOYS/GIRLS want it ignored!

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
34. I just heard him! Hartmann always knows what he's talking about.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

And did you hear him when he pointed out what other networks were showing? None were showing anything about Bernie. It's really outrageous. I DON'T believe their BULLSHIT. When he wins New Hampshire and hopefully Iowa, they will all HAVE to take notice.

And thank you, berni-mccoy, for posting this.


 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
36. They are both wrong. Sanders and the DNC *have* a joint fundraising committee.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

Joint fundraising was illegal prior to the 2014 McCutcheon decision. Democrats arguing against the decision argued that it would open up joint fundraising. The nefarious five laughed that nobody would ever do that.

Democrats TOLD THEM they were going to do it, and the idiots wouldn't believe them!

Hillary has joint fundraising committees with the DNC and each of the 50 states. Bernie only has one setup with the DNC. This greatly multiplies the amount of money an individual donor may give to the DNC and/or the states.


PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
37. oh I know that...
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

when I last donated they had this odd button I hadn't seen before. so when I donate $10 $5 goes to burner the other $5 goes to whomever is hosting the fundraiser. Naturally I didn't like that split so I tilted it $9 to $1 $9 to Bernie I wasn't being an ass and give them zero. thats Debbie's job

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
151. Hey. A few months ago, I unsubscribed to the DNC. They ask why. I keyboarded that DWS
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jan 2016

was not helping the cause of democracy. So now I am wondering if that is how the Clinton Campaign began emailing my private email account without my permission to tell me that donating to the Clinton campaign would make me a Clinton supporter. I was very angry. Wondering if the DNC left the door open when the firewall went down exposing all of the email addresses to either or both campaigns. Until the investigation is complete, I believe that the Clinton campaign got my email address from the DNC.

Clinton supporters told me on the DU HC Group that Sanders campaign staff gave my email address to the Clinton Campaign. For my inquiry, DU banned me from that group. I am waiting on the results/findings of the investigation of the several firewall drops made through the DNC, not the candidates.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
238. if you have ever donated,or just answered a phone survey that says you support any dem candidate
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jan 2016

the dnc has your info

all three dem campaigns can see that info all the time,no one had to steal or give anything away

what the data breach was about is a separate list that has supporter info beyond what all candidates campaigns can see

for example:

johnsmith

home addy
email addy
phone number

supports hc and a number range showing how strong that support is

more than likely hc just did a mail bomb of every dem/leaner that the dnc has collected over like 20 years

hope you can work things out with the bernie group,there has been so much animosity, feelings are easily to hurt and the net itself is difficult to communicate on so misunderstandings happen

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
38. Hey berni_mc !!! - You Might Find This Interesting:
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016
Clinton is not the only Democratic presidential candidate with a joint fundraising committee linked to the DNC. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has one that just raises money for the DNC, but not state parties. The DNC offered these joint fundraising agreements to the candidates in an effort to capitalize on popular figures who could help build the party's war chest. Only Clinton accepted an agreement that included state parties.


From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251975367

The whole thing is an interesting read.






 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
43. That does not refute what Thom has said nor does it counter the fact that
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie has offered to work with the DNC on fundraising.

In fact, it only affirms that Bernie has been willing to work with the DNC.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
52. It's up to Bernie to follow through with this
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016

By fundraising for the DNC. I know that the DNC is the Dark Angel that fell to earth, but Thom is just playing to the anger and fear. And he is lying if he indeed said "the DNC hasn't followed up".

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
64. "Now I know you are full of shit"
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

Sure. That's me. The shitmeister.

The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.

The candidate rarely headlines fundraising events, and is not close with many big-money Democratic donors, but he has been working to prove his proximity to the party in recent months as he competes with Clinton.

The Vermont senator, who is an Independent but caucuses with Senate Democrats, also recently lent his name to a fundraising letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, according to a campaign adviser, in another indication of his slowly growing ties to the party's infrastructure.


Response to Kentonio (Reply #192)

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
309. I'd love for you to dig further and find some evidence to support what you're claiming.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jan 2016

It would be very illuminating.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
41. Lies! It's all they've got.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

They can't fight on the issues because Bernie's correct on every one of them, so they have to resort to lies and posting bogus corrupt corporate owned polls to make HRH even begin to look palatable to voters. If you can't win an election based on facts and honesty, you have no business running for president.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
56. I just saw where an alert was posted on Thom Hartman's YouTube Channel
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

The Jury voted to Leave IT ALONE

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
57. I"m calling bullshit on Thom Hartmann. Sanders could have helped through the DSCC
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which is run by a different group of people. (I get fundraising requests from them frequently.) Or he could have helped individual candidates.

Also, his campaign -- which should know better than T. Hartmann -- has said Bernie has "plans" to fundraise for the national party, NOT that the DNC has caused any problem.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-campaign-raised-33m-october-36056246

Sanders, by comparison, did not raise any money for the DNC last year, although his campaign has said it plans to fundraise on behalf of the national party.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Senatorial_Campaign_Committee

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is the Democratic Hill committee for the United States Senate. It is the only organization solely dedicated to electing Democrats to the United States Senate. The DSCC's current Chairman is Senator Jon Tester of Montana, who succeeded Senator Michael Bennet following the United States Senate elections, 2014. The DSCC's current Executive Director is Tom Lopach, who is assisted by Deputy Executive Director Preston Elliott.

http://action.dscc.org/blue-senate-2015/?ms=SEM_GS_Evergreen15-S_DSCC-Ex_46859055812

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
65. Lol this line....
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016
These members could be members of her campaign, DNC insiders or zealots who want to turn anything against Bernie.


Whoa.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
68. hillary supporters are not real liberals
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

Read it a few times here today that they're not liberal at all, in fact.

Progressive dog

(6,917 posts)
71. Bernie signed an agreement with the DNC to raise funds
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jan 2016

and so far he has raised nothing for them. That is not bullshit, it is fact.

Response to Progressive dog (Reply #71)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
109. Sorry Progressive, that's what I get for surfacing (and responding) on DU
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

via cellphone.

Things get twisted. I usually catch it before clicking *post my reply" but not this time.

Please forgive me for my egregious error.



nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
105. I thought the OP was about Sanders refusing to name CEOs.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

Then the post above me refers to him raising funds for the DNC.

just as poster responded "huh" to me was EXACTLY the way I felt with his/her DNC comment.

Apologies wrong thread. I'll delete

Its tough browsing on a cell.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
87. Maybe Debbie was on a conference call with Sheldon Adelson when he tried to tell her?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

You know, priorities. There are terminally ill cancer grannies running loose who need to go to prison for marijuana, and some things need to take precedence.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
104. I am glad you are a fan of Thom's, so when he says OF COURSE he will support Hillary if she
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

is the nominee, I will look for all Thom fans to also.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
108. I'll support her if she's the nominee. But she's not the nominee, yet.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

Meanwhile, we should ask ourselves what Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing during all this, given the allegations of ignoring the Sanders campaign offer.

Was she too busy coordinating with Sheldon Adelson to wage war on medical marijuana users?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
113. Not all of his fans are DUers
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

so they probably aren't too concerned about what you're looking for.

I guess people will vote for whom they damn well please.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
116. LOL, they'll vote for whomever they please.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jan 2016

It's still a free country. Yes, a free country. Sorry if that bothers you.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
183. Hey, if anyone knows about fans of Sanders,
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:30 AM
Jan 2016

it's a poster who has been professing to be a Sanders supporter since Day 1. I haven't really seen him or her defend Sanders against the many posts here that slam Sanders. I've only seen him or her defend Hillary and talk about everyone voting for her in the general. I have, however, personally seen him or her say, on at least 3 occasions since May 2015, post that Bernie would be better against Wall Street than Hillary (ya think?) So, there is that. And, if I have personally seen it 3 times, I assume there are most posts like that.

RandySF

(59,092 posts)
106. Hi Thom. If you're still on the air
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jan 2016

Name the Democrats (other than the DSCC) he raised money for and tell us whom Bernie had in mind to primary Obama in 2012 (not that he was a Democrat then).

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
127. Illogical
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jan 2016

to assume that Thom can read Bernie's mind.

It looks like you're making Thom a stand-in for a candidate whom you apparently hate.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
132. Yeah, Thom would have actually provided a bit of proof if this had been his OP
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

The lack of which is kind of telling.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
123. OK Thom. Name the fundraiser SBS held.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jan 2016

SBS couldn't care less about the party, which lines up real well with you.

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
161. this doesn't pass the smell test
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

...where has Sanders supported other Democrats? When does he expect he'll contribute to other Democrats?

This should be the main feature of his revolution, the promotion of candidates who would be expected to carry his agenda forward in the legislature. Why is he waiting for the DNC to make that happen for him?


I know that his two rivals have independently and regularly provided material and on the stump support for other Democrats, even before they began their run for office. If anything, Bernie is late to this.

Some evidence that he's doing anything at all in this area beyond mouthing or signing commitments yet unfulfilled?

RandySF

(59,092 posts)
164. Hartmann sounds like a snake oil salesman.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

Hartmann began his business career in the early 1970s while in his 20s, co-founding The Woodley Herber Company. Woodley Herber sold herbal products, potpourris and teas, and operated until 1978.[19] It was during this time that Hartmann obtained three degrees in herbology and homeopathic medicine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann

merrily

(45,251 posts)
177. And another solid Democrat goes under the bus.
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jan 2016

I never heard of a snake oil salesman with three degrees in anything. Usually, they just hold themselves out as experts without doing the work.

Having had to recover from a prognosis of death and succeeding, I believe in whole foods and vitamin and mineral supplements and am grateful that people try to educate themselves about such things.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
194. Thom Hartmann has been a DU member since 2006
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:51 AM
Jan 2016

And since that time has helped DU get promoted on his radio shows numerous time which helped the owners build this site. But I guess we can do personal attacks on DU members now without retribution.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197528

Response to Kentonio (Reply #193)

blondie58

(2,570 posts)
202. I love Thom Hartmann!
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jan 2016

Smartest man in radio. I am still mad at Air America for leaving us with that dang RW hate speech.

Beowulf42

(204 posts)
206. DNC
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jan 2016

The DNC is being managed by people who are promoting Hillary at every turn. That is a primary reason I don't donate to them, because they fail to support good democratic candidates, but seem to favor corporatists who are opposed to the principles of FDR AND most democratic voters.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
231. If Thom Hartmann says something
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

I believe the opposite.

But by all means buy more gold and the super duper berry leaf extract juice he feeds his own family to maintain perfect health.


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