2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThom Hartmann Just Called Bullshit on Hillary Supporters Claims of Bernie's DNC support
Just listening to Thom, he was referring to a post here on DU about how a Hillary Supporter claimed Bernie isn't raising money for the DNC. Thom is close with Bernie and he knows Bernie specifically offered to raise money for other Democratic Party candidates. The DNC has not followed up!
This is the DNC, not Bernie, and there are members here, using this as a divisive tactic against Bernie supporters. These members could be members of her campaign, DNC insiders or zealots who want to turn anything against Bernie.
DON'T BELIEVE THEIR BULLSHIT!
Thank you Thom! You have always been and always will be a true friend to DU and to the true liberal cause!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)but people know.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Total no-brainer.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)He misleads his listeners about Clinton's: He is an ideologue
he would never understand a practical politician that work
for the best for their country.
Hartman doesn't know thing one about run for the nomination
and with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)met with truth;
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Lies... meaning anything that doesn't fit the inevitable narrative.
merrily
(45,251 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Oldtimeralso
(1,937 posts)Like it is said, "If you don't like the message, you kill the messenger".
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)make up theories and nonsense about Hillary all along.
Hartman is no messenger: he is an attacker of Hillary
senz
(11,945 posts)He constantly says good things about her and never puts her down. If you've heard his show you'd know that.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary and then uses the rest of the program bashing and letting
Sanders supporters basher her.
Hartman just tries to be a little sly about it, but he doesn't
fool anyone:
senz
(11,945 posts)He never says anything bad about her and often compliments her. But unfortunately, lewebley3, Hillary and her campaign make it hard for many of Thom's listeners to like her.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Sander who is only helping the GOP: Just like
Hartman helped Nader: he attack Gore so we all
got Bush.
I don't trust Hartman as a loyal Dem: he doesn't
care about the party: and its the party that
is only thing people have to keep out the GOP.
He radio man, with hot air:
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Cuz he doesn't swoon for Hillary?
Thanks for that gem.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)We almost never see more than a sentence or two from lewbely3... and usually no more than two maybe three comments. Now, there's several paragraphs, numerous comments in a single thread, and words being used that I've never seen from lewbely3.
Something doesn't feel right about all that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)a while back. Several people remarked about it. Then it changed back. Weird.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)that the call centers try to group people with similar writing styles.
In the case I am talking about, though, not on this thread, it was a poster whose posts I sometimes find difficult to understand who was away for a while. When the poster returned, the posts were clear as a bell.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Amazing
merrily
(45,251 posts)Denials would not have changed anyone's mind anyway. It was just too obvious.
I'm interested to see what the robot posters will post.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)You just spew the stuff that you want to.
Sure, he favors Sanders, but he has spoken well of Clinton on many an occasion.
Whenever a caller calls in bashing Clinton, Thom always says that he will support her if she is the nominee.
You often have to listen to more than the first few minutes of the show to find this out though.
Paka
(2,760 posts)he doesn't allow others to put her down either. Anyone who gets negative on her, I have observed several times when he cuts them off and directs the flow to positive. He is a Bernie supporter, but he holds to the same high standards that Bernie sets in not going negative.
senz
(11,945 posts)He bends over backwards to be nice to Hillary and won't let anyone knock her.
I know Thom has standards, so it must be hard at times...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)but I have never heard him smear Hillary, have heard him say positive things, and have heard him stop others from going negative.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)To Sander supporters he is your gr-grue: He is not a
messenger to the Dem party.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Like those who think boots on the ground in Syria is good for the country.
Or that Big Banks weren't a big deal in the lousy economy.
"with his support of Nader: He handed the country to Bush."
You just lost any thinking person's support with that crap.
You heard it here folks! Hartman is the reason we had Bush!
Duval
(4,280 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)its crazy talk!
love Thom Hartmann, btw...he's awesome!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)i wish these people would crawl back under their rock if they can't offer reasonable discussion.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)He is also a paid Putin propagandist as he has a show on RT. He must secretly support the Russian oligarchy and has been faking his librul beliefs all this time. This means, like Putin, he also admires Trump. Its so obvious.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)His show is about whining and complaining about people
have who who actually put themselves out for running
office.
He has to much hot air: he comes up crazy theories about
people he doesn't understands or knows
cui bono
(19,926 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 6, 2016, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)
He is for Sanders and has just turned Hillary basher I can't
listen to his long winded nonsense anymore.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Put up or shut up.
.
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
merrily
(45,251 posts)You were a fan of Hartmann for years?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)so that tRump can win and make Putin VP!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)You've already tried, unsuccessfully because you aren't speaking the truth - to slander Hartmann.
HE DOES NOT BASH HILLARY. Try actually listening to him or else provide proof of your claims.
.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)So yes, do what you want when you want. But don't expect to be taken very seriously if you can't back your claims.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)We're waiting.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)To back up your ridiculous assertions . Maybe wash your hands , smearing all this shit cannot be sanitary .
arcane1
(38,613 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)will hear anything but what they want to hear.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Now back it up.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Without those you're just blowing smoke.
merrily
(45,251 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)sides of his mouth: that just is just my opinion concerning
Hillary. My Claim is that as supporter I hear nothing bashing and crazy
made up theories from Hartmann that have nothing to do
with his ideologue theories
Hillary was on Chris Mathews last night: She said it herself: she
is a practical politician that brings people together
and that she is a Dem: Hartmann pushes every crazy idea that that go back 20years or more:
He cannot judge Hillary he is an Ideologue and more than someone in the GOP
But I take your point about making my claim ittle to broad
for you to understand.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Now, you've made even more claims about Hartmann.
Nothing is wrong with my understanding, nor did you say anything beyond my ken. Link or slink.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)that are share with most Dem's
merrily
(45,251 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)speculates about things Dem party he knows nothing about,
He would say anything to help Sanders
merrily
(45,251 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)Regarding Thom's vote for Nadir, Thom has always pointed out that the state where he made this vote was already solidly going for the Democratic nominee. He knew that his vote for Nadir would cause utterly no problem for the Democrat.
My primary reason to come to DU is for enlightenment, not to be misled. Looking further at your posts regarding FELLOW DUer Thom Hartmann .....well let me put it this way: Have a nice day.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and progressives love him. Those that hate him are not progressives. Let's get this straight. The primary fight is between the Progressives and Sen Sanders and the Conservatives and their HRC.
The DNC, the corp-media and the conservative billionaires all favor H. Clinton because she is one of them, she is conservative. She voted with the other conservatives on the Iraq War, BECAUSE SHE IS A CONSERVATIVE.
We need change from the corruption of big money in government. HRC is not that change.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)is a radio host that just talks all day: about people who
are trying to makes things better by putting themselves
online by running office and taking risks.
Hartmann is nice: and mostly with his heart in right the
place: he is a little ego driven to help Sanders.
He just shouldn't pretend he is in the middle: he is a left
wing ideologue
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)What do progressives support that you don't agree with? I keep asking and can't get a response from those that want to separate themselves from the progressives.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)On what issues do you disagree with Thom enough to call him an ideologue?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Response to lewebley3 (Reply #246)
Bubzer This message was self-deleted by its author.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)support that you do not?
Here is a partial list of what progressives usually support:
Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
Opposing job killing "Free Trade" agreements
opposed to fracking for oil company profits over people's water
Helping college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
Making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
Ending the unregulated domestic spying
Ending drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands
Reducing the defense budget
Taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
Ending the militarization of our local police forces.
Ending Prisons for Profits
Legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
Funding rebuilding our neglected infrastructure.
Single payer health insurance.
Regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
Break up the big bank and media monopolies.
you can add others that you like.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)instead of rebut. Apparently it's ok to call someone an ideologue but not ok to ask "why". I've been getting about one of these per day. The last one was also 0 - 7 leave.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's stupid. You can't include the problem as part of the solution.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)no have ideologue in charge: they don't compromise that is what is
wrong with the GOP; Hilary has experience and will keep
an open mind: and when the opportunity comes she
work for all Americans as she has all along.
Politics is the art of the possible, not what every one wants.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Your 'nothingness is what we need' theorum is pointless
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)have long history of working to get things done.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)AKA rudderlessness reaction to whatever the right does. AKA including GOP input in solving problems caused by GOP policies.
AKA halfpublican
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Thom Hartman has ever been on the forefront of the liberal winds. He's one of the few voices that speaks the from the heart of the progressive movement. You wont find him having ever bashed hillary, nor will you find anything he's said about her that wasn't true and substantiated.
"He handed the country to Bush." - You need to back off the crazy talk. You seriously need to dial it down and back away for a bit. Talk like that comes across as more than a little unhinged.
No single talk show host wields the power you're trying to ascribe him... I wish Thom had it... it would guarantee Sanders the presidency.
merrily
(45,251 posts)right field
As an aside, "way out in left field" was one of my mother in law's many expressions. Not being much of a follower of sports, I knew what she meant by it, but I never got the expression so vividly as I did when we went to Fort Myers to watch the Red Sox in spring training while Manny Ramirez was playing left field. Always a wild card (hence the expression "just Manny being Manny?), Manny really loosened up in spring training. One day, he was way, way out in the far corner of the field, performing for the fans. As I watched and laughed, I heard my mother-in-law's voice in my head saying, "He's way out in left field." And I finally really, truly got it.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)The usual quote of being out in left field felt, to me, more like an implied compliment when viewed in the context of the political spectrum. I felt this was especially true as I've never seen anyone but a right-winger attack Thom Hartman the way lewbely3 did.
So, saying he was out in right field was a nod to the saying while also stating that the attack was more consistent with right-wing ideology. It was a wee bit obtuse on my part... but it was one of those moments where the concept crystalized in my head, and I just kinda had to go with it.
Either way, I appreciate your intent. Thanks!
merrily
(45,251 posts)As my politics buddy once observed, "I'd really like to know who decided that Republicans should sit on the right of the House." I barely even use the word "right" anymore. I use "correct."
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Too many conservatives deem being on the right and being right as one and the same. It's most irritating when it feeds someone's confirmation bias.
merrily
(45,251 posts)mother in law's expression on a visceral level is such a fun memory for me. It was also the first time I actually enjoyed watching a baseball game. Thank you for allowing me to indulge myself in that anecdote without complaining.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)I know I did listen to him for years: He did support Nader, I heard
doing his buddy thing with Nader just before Bush was elected.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)And before you go there, telling others to listen to unspecified podcasts isn't proof.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)He is going down the road like Randy Rhodes,
she was okay until she had a melt down: She
had vicious cat attack on Hillary in a very
personal way (to be fair Randy attack other
people too).
I like him until he started running Sanders campaign
from is his radio show.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)A claim made without proof is dismissible without proof. No proof? Didn't happen.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I am so sick of this false Nader bullshit coming up again and again.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)who gave the country Bush: they are same people who
occupied Wall St and are now whining about GOP politics
with Wall St: that didn't show up to vote
While real Dem's were out knocking on doors to keep
Dem seats: Sanders supporter were just out bashing
banks, country and Dem's:
But didn't vote
I am sick of the lazy whining of the far left at Dem party
who do the real work to protect the American people the
best they can.
Nader supporters are self indulgent
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If Gore had won our home state, it wouldn't have mattered.
I also voted for Obama.
I won't, however, vote for Hillary. Therefore, your assertion is crap.
merrily
(45,251 posts)He would vote for Kerry in Missouri, where it might matter some, if I would vote for Nader in Massachusetts, where it would not matter at all. In hindsight, my choice was probably not in Kerry's best interests and I wanted him to win, so points off for teh stupid. However, I just could not bring myself not to vote Democratic.
The false crap that gets posted on this board about Nader, leftists, etc., is contemptible.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Sanders people are not 'Nader people'
Nader didn't cost Gore the election, SCOTUS did.
Occupy was and is one of the key sources of the political awakening among the young.
Young people do vote, and turned out big for Obama...twice.
Your characterization of Sanders supporters and the 'far left' smacks of agism and willful ignorance of the politics over the last 20 years.
Pedal your selfish elite establishment nonsense elsewhere. DI might be a better fit for you.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)But, they are also: they same people that supported
McGovern, Mondale, etc.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That undercuts your "Yes they are!" exclamation since most Sanders supporters were not old enough to vote for McGovern or Mondale.
I'm unclear as to what your issue with those two men is either.....
Essentially you have presented no facts that back up your 'assertions' in this thread.
Just an incomprehensible word salad of bullshit.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)of support from the Dem's in history right now.
But even better over all most already American trust Hillary to
lead the country.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Try to stay on topic here.
What were you trying to say about young Sanders supporters voting for Nader, McGovern, and Mondale?
You're all over the place on this and seen to have a lack of understanding of both recent American history and the political process.
And what happened to you over the last month or so?
You used to write in coherent sentences.
Now you have out of place words and your sentence structure is garbled.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)The word salad? The ahistorical statements?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)But you know that.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)He's an actual liberal, in a world full of con-servative radio. He's always been in league with Sanders, and that's a great thing, because Sanders is a human-connected Democrat, instead of the modern corporate connected version, like Bill and Hillary, or Obama.
I understand Sanders volunteered for raising money for the DNC. That said, it really would not bother me if he didn't. The modern Democratic Party needs a stake driven through it's heart. We need to get back to the party of workers, or unions. We need to get back to regulating corporations, not taking huge contributions and joining Republicans in allowing oil spills, fiery train derailments and such. We need to get back to a party that includes the poor in their platform, working or not, one that pulls for good minimum wages, and full-employment economies, one that focuses more on our home, than on killing foreigners in every skirmish across the globe, one that puts 90% of their effort toward helping America, not more effort at killing others in foreign lands, creating MORE terrorists.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Just because he accurately describes her lousy policies, doesn't make it a lie. He DOES, however, defend her and warns people to vote for her if she's the nominee because he thinks she's better than any Republican.
B. He did vote for Nader, but while living in a very, very blue state. His vote wasn't going to change the fact that Vermont would go for Gore.
C. Supporting Nader did not give the country to Bush. The Supreme Court did that. Gore actually won Florida.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hartman has never run for office: he doesn't
under stand politics: He understands issues
that is why he talks all day.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The GOP have lousy policies, they crashed the economy
after the Clintons handed the country a healthy economy,
that was in the black, just like Brown is doing in Calif.
Obama polices have worked, and the country has
gotten better under him: its the GOP that have
blocked wages, and blocked national infastruction
projects that would have rebuilt the middle class
in whole if the GOP wouldn't stepped in its way.
Eisenhower's GOP, would have supported the rebuilding
of America: Todays GOP hate Obama skin more than
the care about the America: but then they are just
a party of greed nowadays:
Don't underestimate the damage the GOP with their
new party of greed hate will do if Dem's
don't stop them.
Heck, under Bush more than 50,000 factories closed: Mitt was
closing down factories while he was running for office.
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firebrand80
(2,760 posts)This is the kind of thing that .5% of political junkies pay attention to. No other voter has even heard of this "controversy," thus it would be massively ineffective as a "divisive tactic." I'm almost certain the DNC would rather have the money.
jkbRN
(850 posts)please just go away--srsly
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Number23
(24,544 posts)How very interesting.
senz
(11,945 posts)No "call" whatsoever.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Oh, wait. Just saw who I was responding to.
senz
(11,945 posts)Polite request.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and why you think that putting a "please" in front of a needless, mean spirited request makes anything better, but this is probably one of the dumbest conversations this web site has ever seen. And that's really saying something.
I've never seen people so eager, actually DESPERATE to fight over nothing. And it is ever so telling. And quite unintentionally hilarious.
Pot. Kettle.
Number23
(24,544 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)And I've finally had a bellyful. Had you on ignore and GD: P trashed until I got called to jury one of your particularly acidic posts in GD .
In any event, since your posts to and about Bernie supporters have been so very consistent, I do get your approval of consistency. Bear in mind what Emerson said, though.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)How DARE you respond to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good God if it weren't so utterly pitiful it would be funny. Or is it the other way around?
merrily
(45,251 posts)irony, too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=978576
At least, I enjoy irony. The rest of it, not so much.
Number23
(24,544 posts)It's as though I knew prematurely you've have nothing of interest to say...
Reading now...
Right. I'm sure there is something interesting in all of that tangle of words but I got caught up in the "USED to have me on ignore." Would be immensely obliged if that were to change pronto. Gracias!
Oh, and that goes QUADRUPLE for the little hanger on-er that always shows up in threads to high five anyone that tries to come after me but yet, never seems capable of doing so himself. Not that I'm complaining (or even all that interested) either way.
merrily
(45,251 posts)AFAIK, I've replied to one of your imperious posts only once before this thread and, IIRC, that was over a year ago.
Then again, never mind. I don't care and I'm sure whomever you're ranting about will get your "quadruple" message telepathically, even though you posted it to me, for whatever bizarre reason. LOL!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Hot damn, that's pretty spiffy!
If only all of these high falutin' adjectives -- which all sound so INCREDIBLY close to uppity -- came from someone who's opinion I genuinely cared about I'd be feeling pretty good about myself right now...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Wait, were you guys actually trying to be subtle?
merrily
(45,251 posts)And, again, I answer for my posts and only mine. I have not tried to hang all the ugly posts of every Hillary supporter on you. That's nonsense.
Number23
(24,544 posts)could even come close to explaining this absolutely idiotic pile on from your crew over my innocuous first post in this thread.
Like I said, do you really think you guys are subtle?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Far be it for us to let them know that everyone -- and I do mean EVERYONE -- sees right through them.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)One of my favorite quotes from Emerson! Nicely played!
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)leave DU.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)As my good friend Sid says, I like pissing off all the right people. Welcome to the DISCUSSION BOARD.
Number23
(24,544 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Keep trying, dear. And maybe, JUUUUUST maybe, you'll get somebody to buy that faux concern one day.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I won't take the personal attack. Again, I ask you, what do you have against BLM? If you have something to say, this, right now, is the time for you to screw up your courage and speak clearly. If you don't have the courage of your convictions, then move along. But in either case, you're to stop with the condescending name-calling.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and now you've got it. The idea that you think you can tell me or anyone else here what to do is simply PRECIOUS and beyond adorable, particularly when you initiated this idiotic and pointless conversation.
Don't like it, float on, dearie. And everyone here has seen your unhinged attacks against Black Lives Matter members so I have no idea why you are going the "who me??" route.
I thought the exchange with that other poster upthread was going to be the dumbest, most excruciatingly unnecessary exchange I was going to have today!! You have already run RINGS around that bit of nothing!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I don't know how to make this any clearer to you.
Number23
(24,544 posts)than I do.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Are you aware that you're using the same rationale that some very, very bad actors have used throughout history? Sure, this is on a tiny Internet scale, but you went there. You CHOSE to name-call, and you chose to do it after I very specifically asked you to cease with the name-calling. Your sense of personal responsibility is your own. But I'm telling you to stop with this "dear" bullshit.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This is probably DU's Surreal Moment of the Year and is every bit as boring as it is hypocritical.
Even though I posted this to another poster it is incredibly apropos here:
So by all means, keep up this yawn inducing chest thumping over "dear." This isn't the most unnecessarily idiotic thing posted on the Internet ever or anything. So kind of you to squeeze this bit of nothing in between the other 6 shouting matches and hilariously pointless chest thumping you're doing in this thread.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.
I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?
I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.
That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.
Number23
(24,544 posts)If you recall, I was the one who asked for "civility"when I addressed a poster who basically demanded that someone leave DU for no other reason than a picture in their signature line. For that crime, a couple of DU's "finest" decided to pile on and and jump on my back for reasons that only they will truly ever understand or care about.
Lovely to see you've added yourself to this illustrious list. And if you think that calling someone "subhuman" because they upset your precious presidential candidate is justified or called for, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know that. It's too bad that girl that was called "subhuman" just wasn't one of the "good ones" right?? Hopefully she's learned her lesson.
Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before and that was probably for a very good reason. I know what to expect now.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Looking at your comments, it'd be more than reaching to come to that conclusion. What I do find is that you've chosen to leap to the defense of the third way. Lovely to see you've added yourself to this dubious list.
And if you think that implying that I called or agree with calling someone "subhuman" because your upset your precious third way support and lack of civility has been challenged, then I am beyond glad that you leapt into this thread for the sole purpose of letting everyone know where your allegiances lie, and that you'll gladly seek to conflate one person's statements as being another's.
It's too bad that woman chose the actions she did. Bernie and the Host were trying to be accommodating... but she wasn't interested in that so much as trying to create a scene and to offend people. Kinda reminds me of what you're doing right now.
Thanks so much for chiming into this thread. I have never seen you before either. And since I suffer trollish behavior poorly, I see it was for good reason. I also know what to expect from you, and promise you'll be on my short list of candidates to be blocked should that style of discussion from you continue.
Have a great day!
Number23
(24,544 posts)your made up, BS claim that I "defended" the Third Way.
You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked. Well done.
Edit: And for shits and giggles just checked your favorite group on your profile. Gee, no surprises there. None at all.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)than your made up, BS claim that I "defended" a poster who called a black activist "subhuman".
Well, well, well... would ya look at that. Works both ways.
I may go so far as to say its possible you're not defending the third way... you are still, however, being hypocritical by calling names while being "offended" that the poster in question is doing so.
"You've already said everything that needed to be said about you. And best of all, you showed everyone who you are without even being asked." Right back atcha.
Number23
(24,544 posts)out of your backside. Props on the progress, no matter how small.
But it's hilarious that you have chosen to leap to the defense of a poster who called a black Black Lives Matter activist "subhuman" -- which you have made it ABUNDANTLY clear you have no issue with and couldn't care about in in the least -- while simultaneously wailing and howling over me calling that same poster "dear."
I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.
Edit: Oh and let's copy your post where you very clearly defended the calling of a BLM activist subhuman just in case you "accidentally" hit that self delete button:
Bubzer (1,773 posts)
221. Asking for civility is surreal, hypocritical and boring? And all while being hypocritical yourself.
You're odd dichotomy of surreal being boring aside, you object to someone else's name calling but insist on doing it yourself.
I suppose you think the black protestor in question should be granted respect, in spite of her disrespect shown by calling everyone at a Bernie Sanders rally "liberal white racists"? Or, for that matter, the way she literally jumped up and down on stage and screamed her demands at the host, all while the host was trying to relay to the crowd that he was going to give her time to speak? How about the way she failed to denounce her cohort for physically pushing Bernie Sanders (which is assault and a federal offense)?
I do not and will not respect Marissa nor her cohorts. They are NOT representative of the movement for equal rights for PoC, regardless of if the leader of the "leaderless" BLM, Patrisse, post-hoc included them as part of BLM or not.
That someone else has strong feelings toward those protestors does not justify your disrespect. Call them on it, by all means, but derisive name calling simply justifiable.
Definitely warrants calling someone "subhuman." Absolutely. Like I said, hopefully she's learned her lesson and is one of the "good ones" now.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)You're defending someone who's third way. You came to their defense. Very clearly one could easily make the argument that you're defending the third way. I opened the door a smidge and said it was possible you were not...not that you did not. As for the subhuman comment, I'll gladly come out and say I strongly disagree with that term being used on anyone.
That said, you're not excused from hypocrisy. A person asked you multiple times to cease your derogatory name calling. It wasn't an onerous request. You could have made your point without resorting to name calling... I might have even chipped in an agreement... in fact, the only reason we're having this conversation is you chose to be hypocritical instead of taking the higher road.
"I have absolutely no idea how you think this conversation makes you look good. Your loud, clear, UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person calling an activist "subhuman" because she said or did something mean to Bernie Sanders has said every thing that needs to be said about you. An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now." - The only thing loud and clear from me, is my UNEQUIVOCAL defense of that person's call for civility. To quote you: An intelligent person would have realized that and stopped by now.
Number23
(24,544 posts)this conversation has gone no where. That and your loud defense of a poster slamming a black activist with one of the nastiest, and yes, racist terms you can use to describe another person.
Me: Taking issue with someone demanding someone leave DU because of a sig pic and then not backing down when several posters -- you now included -- who are WELL KNOWN on DU for being some of the nastiest, most hateful people here decide to come after me, including a poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."
You: Jumping in to "correct" me for calling someone 'dear' while having nary the first fucking word to say about the person who asked someone to leave DU because of a sig pic OR the poster who called a BLM activist "subhuman."
Do you see now the fault in this excruciating conversation and why I am dying laughing at it?? I sincerely don't see how you could be more hypocritical and yet... you are STILL HERE. Talking away, trying your hardest to chastise me as if you have a leg to stand on or as if any of this is making you look good.
I genuinely don't know which is funnier. Your wails and crocodile tears over me calling that poster "dear" or your copying and pasting my comments to you back to me. Either way I am literally wiping away tears reading your posts. Why don't you find something else to do? You have already exposed yourself and I don't understand what all of these extra words and posts are supposed to be doing to help you.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Okay. Your hypocrisy is just too much. I'm done with you.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You could practically SMELL the rage coming off my post when I asked those, what ten words in my initial post!!one
I'm done with you
Thank the Lord. But you've been done waaaaayyy longer than you seem to realize.
merrily
(45,251 posts)sense or nonsense they feel like replying to. You've been here since 2008, so this can't possibly be news to you. Get over it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You guys bring so much joy and delight to this board. I have no idea how long you've been here but I'm sure every single day has been a blessing to those of us fortunate enough to be in your online presence.
I'm sure you've been able to educate and illuminate tons of times in the six minutes a week that you're here and not jumping into useless pile on and launching personal attacks for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Too bad you waste so much of your time posting how terrible Bernie's supporters are. After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us--or your opinion about anything, really. I've finally had enough to object and hope some other Bernie supporters will follow suit. Thanks for this laugh, though. I love irony. Ta ta, TT
Number23
(24,544 posts)of Sanders "supporters" here represent the worst of this web site and want nothing more than to fight with everything and everyone.
After reading so many of your long-winded, haughty rants about us, most of us are unlike to care about your opinion of us
Yes, the pile on by damn near a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters -- no one else, all Sanders supporters to a one -- because I dared to question why someone was demanding someone leave DU over a pic in their sig line definitely proves your assertion that none of you care about what I think. If only I could have gotten the last hot guy I mooned over to be so "uncaring" I'd probably be calling him my husband.
And I'm haughty now, huh?? Sounds incredibly close to uppity. And coming from you, I'll take it as the compliment you so obviously unintentionally meant it to be. And I sincerely, truly and DEEPLY hope you mean what you say about putting me on ignore. Silence from you would be the sweetest of gifts. And I mean that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Despite the irony in my Reply 278, I don't actually believe anyone else is going to extract a telepathic message from your posts to me. So, ranting about others when you post to me makes no sense at all. It's just hot air. But, you knew that. Oh, and I did not say I was going to put you on ignore. I said I once had you on ignore, until I found out jurying forced me to read your rants, anyway. Reading is your friend. Ranting, not so much.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You better believe that. And I'm not talking about the banned poster since I saw you try that in your response to this post.
And I think it's hilarious that you're trying to pretend that you won't put me on ignore because that somehow then "forces" you to read my posts when they are apparently, inevitably juried on. That is absolutely too precious.
But thanks for the heads up, no matter how absurd. I've had a couple of empty spaces on my jury blacklist for a very long time and perhaps it's time for an update.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Especially when I once had you on my ignore list. Thanks for the commendation!
On edit: I'm not Better Believe It or whatever that banned poster's name was and I've never been banned. Feel free to check with Skinner. So, you should keep that sly slur to yourself. Nitey nite.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But I'd be extremely happy with you putting me on ignore. Like, OVERJOYED happy.
Adding me to your black list is probably a very nice (and now probably very necessary) extra bit of protection.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)despite needlessly announcing that you "had me on ignore in the past" as if I'd noticed or cared and despite my endless, heartfelt pleas for you to put me BACK on ignore. And even though you've hilariously and pointlessly said "nighty nite" five times by now in this thread, you keep replying to me.
So yeah, I appear to be in your head and taking up some space and I gotta tell you, that ain't where I want to be. Not one freaking bit! Nothing would make me happier than your last "nighty night" being the last one.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Replies are actually Standard Operating Procedure on a message board. You've been posting since 2008 and certainly should have grokked that by now. Nonetheless, I explain that very thing to you within the last 9 hours and suggested you get over it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=977757
However, you've circled back to the implicit claim that posters don't have a right to reply to you. And now, you've added the gloss that replying to you on a message board creates some obligation to continue a discussion with you as long as you care to keep it going. What a unreal sense you have of the duty I have to you!
Funny as that may have been the first time around, I don't find your comments enjoyable enough to hang around while you repeat yourself.
Number23
(24,544 posts)What is going on with you? Do you not understand what "goodbye" and "nighty nite" mean in the context of the English language??
And my comments are not saying that you cannot respond to me. My bewilderment is that you KEEP responding to me even after MULTIPLE proclamations that you are not going to continue doing so and that you once had me on ignore so that you wouldn't have to read what I write but now seem to be going OUT OF YOUR WAY to not only read what I write but keep responding to it when you CLEARLY have nothing interesting to say.
For God's sake, use your jury blacklist and ignore like you said THREE POSTS AGO that you were going to. This has gone from pointless and stupid to simply bizarre now. I am ing and ing at the same time. This is absolutely BIZARRE. If your intent with all of this was to prove that I was wrong about the caliber of Sanders supporters that you represent, you have failed deeply, truly and HILARIOUSLY.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?
Number23
(24,544 posts)But I truly don't believe that any of you guys participating in this have even the remotest capacity to understand that. Not in the least.
Or is there some new rule that only Hillary supporters can insert themselves into conversations?
I'd laugh but at this point, I'm kind of laughed out. And I've already pointed out several times how incredibly hysterical and hypocritical you guys have been in this thread. Now, you're just beautifully illustrating my point and helping me out. Not that I ever, EVER needed it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)WTF was that hot mess?
I just scanned this little tag team showdown, and like you, I'm wiping away the tears.
WTF was that??
Girl, I just gotta say...if that wasn't the finest demonstration of your point, I don't know what it would be.
All I know is that apparently, a bellyful was had.
Number23
(24,544 posts)better than a HALF DOZEN Sanders supporters trying to crawl up and down my backside for daring to question why someone more or less demanded that someone else leave DU because of a Third Way pic in their sig line -- all while pretending that the nasty and unnecessary request was "polite," that calling someone "dear" is far, FAR worse than calling someone "subhuman," and pointlessly announcing that I used to be on ignore but then denying my genuine and heartfelt pleas for them to put me BACK on ignore . And the sad little high five from the ever present member of the Peanut Gallery was the precious little cherry that this Sundae of Senselessness needed.
Got called uppity, I mean "imperious" AND haughty. A Hillary supporter (as per usual. And funnily enough, that "insult" from them is clearly the strongest arrow in their quiver) and a "defender" of the ubiquitous Third Way. It's been a hell of a good time. And I'm sure these same folks will continue to furrow their brows, forever quizzical why they make up the vast majority of tombstoned posters, timed out posters or people unable to serve on juries.
Sorry this post is so long but the recap was a bitch! And I left a bunch of stuff out! Like we both said, they could not have proven my opinion about them and their behavior more thoroughly, more gloriously and more hilariously than they did in this thread. And I thank every last single one of them.
Response to Number23 (Reply #310)
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Number23
(24,544 posts)but I appear to have purchased a whole block of (admittedly low budget) condos in yours.
Your post is so embarrassing and ridiculous I don't even see the point in giving it much credence. The desperation and misery that leads people to carry on like you and your crew does is its own reward. I would expect nothing less than someone like you to call me "race baiting." I genuinely see your hatred -- because that's exactly what is is -- as a badge of honor. I TRULY need for you and your co-horts to understand that.
Should probably get a cloth to wipe that keyboard down. I'm sure that sucka is DRENCHED.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Well that little exhibitition pretty much sealed the deal.
That was incredibly nasty.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)alrighty then
It's almost like someone stepped in a little somthing
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)donate money to the DNC to be distributed to other candidates for lower offices then they could not claim exclusivity for Hillary.
Know who many of those candidates are? Super delegates, that's who.
Do you think when they distribute that money that any will go to a super delegate that supported Bernie?
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know if a (relatively) few dollars from Bernie at this time would sway a Super Delegate. However, I think certain people would love to keep saying things like, "He's never done a thing for the Democratic Party" without fear of contradiction. If I am correct, the sillies could have it both ways by taking the money and saying "He never did a thing for the Party until he ran for President," which they have been saying anyway.
And, of course, it enables them to say things like "Hillary raised $18 million for other Democrats and Bernie raised nothing," without getting bogged down in detail and contradictions.
Nice deducing there, A Simple Game!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Yes I really do believe it is intentional, Hillary and DWS don't care how much they raise for down ticket candidates. They don't even care if Democrats beat Republicans as noted when DWS campaigned openly for Republicans in Florida. They only care about getting Hillary back to the White House.
It seems they have an agenda and it has nothing to do with improving the United States or even the Democratic party.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In theory, the job of the DNC--and therefore of DWS--is to promote all Democratic candidates for President impartially. I don't think it did that in 2008, and I don't think it's doing it now.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)That includes as in this case not doing something, like supporting Bernie's request to collect donations for the DNC.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I mean, that what I hear on DU all the time.
DNC bad!!
So either ...
A) The DNC is evil, and so Bernie would be correct to not help them raise money,
OR ...
B) The DNC is NOT evil, and so Bernie should absolutely be helping them raise money.
Which is it??
DNC evil, or not evil?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)DNC leadership isbad right now. Bernie should support the DNC. Bernie has offered. DNC has not taken him up on it because . . . wait for it . . . bad leadership.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)to help the Thirdway DNC. DNC refuses because Bernie is not Thirdway. The Thirdway is a crime against the American population along with the Republicans.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)Ta-DAHH
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)In the Sig Line?
I really like that one!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Delete the space between "http://i.imgur.com/" and "e4E1Bdm.jpg" then paste it into your sig line
http://i.imgur.com/ e4E1Bdm.jpg
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)💩 (っ- 益 )っ
senz
(11,945 posts)That doesn't make the organization itself bad.
We should try not to play games.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... particularly by supporters of Sanders?
I mean, equating Hillary supporters with the DNC is generally a slur around here.
senz
(11,945 posts)DWS is a former Hillary campaign organizer in Florida. She is in the pocket for Hillary and has taken actions that are advantageous to Hillary and disadvantageous to Sanders and O'Malley.
It is surprising that you don't know this, Joe.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)She runs the DNC, making it mean any nasty ... so why would Bernie help her?
She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?
senz
(11,945 posts)Also, you rely too much on exaggeration. It comes off angry and sarcastic and I don't think it helps to make your point.
Reread what you said --
She's just going to waste the $$ on "bad dems", right?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... supporters right here on DU.
Connecting some one (anyone) to the DNC on DU is usually an attack. A way to claim some one is not a real liberal.
You pretending to not be aware of that fact does nothing to help your argument.
senz
(11,945 posts)and that's because DWS is the proverbial "rotten apple that spoils the whole bunch."
DNC needs a good cleaning and airing out.
As for real liberals, you do realize that DLC/Third Way/Blue Dog Dems aren't real liberals, don't you? This should be obvious.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You left the DNC out of the standard attack list.
senz
(11,945 posts)with a sizable undertone of sarcasm.
The only people I've known who did that were middle-aged conservative men who were in the habit of practicing self-control at all times. If I were dealing with that, I'd probably try funny movies, getting outdoors and running around, playing sports, hugging the people I love, being with kids, and just ... playing.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)Because the office of the President has not been as progressive as Bernie would like.
Bernie is running as a Democrat. This means that WHEN he gets elected, he will need as many Democrats in the House and Senate to help pass legislation. So it makes perfect sense to raise money for the greater cause. This is a separate issue than the head of the DNC being in the tank for Hillary.
senz
(11,945 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... won't those Dems be bad Dems?
Again ... the DNC is vilified here on DU on a a daily basis.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)That doesn't make the organization bad... it makes the organization mismanaged. Under DWS, the DNC lacks any semblance of the fairness we dems tend to demand. Being unsupportive of the current leadership has little to do with being supportive of other Dems. Denouncing the DNC's actions is the right thing to do for those who want to pressure DWS out of leadership. That's nowhere near your hyperbolic "evil" appellation.
If your child misbehaves, you punish the child, else they'll do it again. It's no different with the DNC. With Debbie at the helm, the DNC is misbehaving... dems are calling out the organization for the biased actions directed by DWS. She has become toxic within the democratic party. When (not if) she is no longer in leadership, she'll be heavily marginalized, and her ability to affect political changes will be diminished. That, in effect, is the punishment... not to mention the clear conflict of interest between her and hillary, visible to the voting public. So, hillary is negatively impacted as well.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)So you've conceded the point that raising money for the DNC is not the same as donating to Hillary's campaign, or endorsing DSW. good.
So now on to your new angle:
Bernie has absolutely zero influence on this election cycle on who is running and who is not running as a Democrat. Would he prefer being able to work with true Democrats instead of those mostly southern based Blue Dog DINOs? Of course. But just as I can concede, however distasteful it is, that Hillary Clinton in the White House would be preferable than any of the clowns in the Republican party, I'm sure Bernie would also rather have more Ds than Rs to work with. He would also IMO be a little less shy to call out and embarrass those DINOs than Obama ever had the stomach for.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and DWS are.
Apparently, they hate Bernie, so why would he help them?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Not a big surprise.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You should be thankful for such small surprises. And while you make that into a koan, you might also meditate on my original meaning, rather than on your own Comeback Remark Score (you got a 7.1--not bad).
merrily
(45,251 posts)"Is that all you've got?"It's canned. With 10 being the highest possible score, I'd give it a .5. JMO.
Oh! Maybe this is why they never asked me to judge any Olympic events? Well, that and my near total lack of knowledge. But I do know something about evaluating posts.
senz
(11,945 posts)who you are but I admire how you handle these things.
The way you dealt with the individual who called you "dear" got my admiration going. I've been practicing assertiveness lately and that was a particularly good example of how it's done. So, thanks!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Nice to meet you, senz. I wish I could live up to the nice words you said about me, but that's not always the case. Anyway, I do appreciate it, and I'll see you on the front lines.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Hillary Victory fund money goes to state party and then is transfered back to the DNC.
In the same report, the Alaska Democratic Party said it transferred an equal amount of money, $43,500, to the Democratic National Committee -- a move that, while legal, helps to effectively obliterate federal limits on donations to the national committee, according to one campaign finance expert.
http://www.adn.com/article/20151221/outside-billionaires-fuel-joint-effort-between-clinton-alaska-democrats
I think Bernie should steer clear of this. It isn't much of a problem for his campaign as few of his donors are maxed out.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I don't see Bernie doing an end run around the rules.
merrily
(45,251 posts)What was the date of Sanders' agreement with the DNC?
More importantly, why are more concerned with whether Sanders agreeing to raise money for other Dems than you are with whether the DNC has been fair to everyone who is running, or was running, for the 2016 Democratic Presidential nomination. Cause I haven't seen one professional journalist or pundit, Republican or Democrat, criticizing Sanders for agreeing to raise money for other Dems, but I sure have seen and heard a lot about how unfair the DNC is being when its job is to be impartial.
senz
(11,945 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)incredible, imo.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Never seen someone pass the buck so much.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Says a lot about you then.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)it's almost like martyrdom is attached to defending any and all hillarian efforts, and despite how indefensible they are shown to be
merrily
(45,251 posts)when one or both of them have something to gain by it, is taking responsibility.
As for your unjustified statements about what you do or don't buy, pffft. Not the least bit persuasive and who cares anyway?
I'll take Hartmann's word that he made public under his real name, giving the DNC opportunity to rebut (if it can), over a simple, anonymous "I don't buy it" any day of the week and twice on Wednesdays.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)No. I can hardly believe that.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Any pro-Bernie thread posted anywhere else gets a slew of responses from ignorant Hillary wannabes. Please post this in the Bernie group if you haven't already. Thanks. Great post.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Some of us aren't afraid to post in GDP, where someone might disagree with us.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's great!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)
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senz
(11,945 posts)is there a theme to your sig line photos? I find them all rather odd and disturbing.
Also, is that Robin Williams in your avatar?
Response to senz (Reply #319)
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I loved Robin Williams. Loved his intelligence, his quickness, humor, kindness, heart, his broad shoulders and hairy chest, just everything about him. At work, he was the screen saver on my computer, to the amusement of my coworkers. I knew he had depressions, alcohol abuse, problems. After his suicide, I was angry with his wife, as reading between the lines I determined that she didn't really love him. After learning about the Lewy Body Dementia diagnosis, I could understand why he did what he did. Later I found out how lonely he had been as a child and wished again that I could have known him, could have given him the love he needed. I hope he's happy somewhere.
If hope your attraction to messed up people is based in compassion and not in superiority, curiosity or ridicule. I also hope you realize that most if not all "normal" people have layers and layers and layers.
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senz
(11,945 posts)I hope my questions were not the reason you removed your photographs. I had not intended to make you feel self-conscious, and though I initially questioned the motives behind the photos, your response addressed my concerns and so there was nothing left to say. Glad you also cared about Robin Williams, and if any of this made you uncomfortable, please accept my apology.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I wondered what all of this "Bernie doesn't raise money for others" crap was about.
I suppose Hillary is going to be in debt for millions to polling firms and ask for a bailout like the last time.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Like he put on a blindfold and threw a dart? Of course not.
And yes, political commentators are generally aware of the internet. I'm sure you wouldn't be so sanguine under similar circumstances favoring Clinton.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)The only reason I even bother posting somewhat in favor of Clinton around these parts is that the place is overwhelmingly for Bernie.
My primary isn't until March and I likely won't even bother to show up for it. I let the die-hard activists figure it all out anyway.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)And I'll support whoever comes out on top from those that are putting in the hard work to suss out who's best.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Every voter is an advocate--that pretty much defines the word. I wince every time I hear someone--anyone!--say something like that.
You're effectively abrogating your responsibility as a citizen with that way of thinking. I don't care who you support, however weakly, or to whatever extent you may believe your vote doesn't count.
Forgive me for saying so, but that mindset is as responsible as anything for the condition of this country.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)and I'll give most folks a run for their money when it comes to jadedness, believe me.
Don't give in on this, and I say this to the most ardent Clinton supporters (and all others) as well:
Vote, Goddammit!
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)in your registered party, you are unable to vote in the general
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)THE TRUTH! But, truth isn't something that has much meaning when THE BIG BOYS/GIRLS want it ignored!
Duval
(4,280 posts)And did you hear him when he pointed out what other networks were showing? None were showing anything about Bernie. It's really outrageous. I DON'T believe their BULLSHIT. When he wins New Hampshire and hopefully Iowa, they will all HAVE to take notice.
And thank you, berni-mccoy, for posting this.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Joint fundraising was illegal prior to the 2014 McCutcheon decision. Democrats arguing against the decision argued that it would open up joint fundraising. The nefarious five laughed that nobody would ever do that.
Democrats TOLD THEM they were going to do it, and the idiots wouldn't believe them!
Hillary has joint fundraising committees with the DNC and each of the 50 states. Bernie only has one setup with the DNC. This greatly multiplies the amount of money an individual donor may give to the DNC and/or the states.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)when I last donated they had this odd button I hadn't seen before. so when I donate $10 $5 goes to burner the other $5 goes to whomever is hosting the fundraiser. Naturally I didn't like that split so I tilted it $9 to $1 $9 to Bernie I wasn't being an ass and give them zero. thats Debbie's job
DhhD
(4,695 posts)was not helping the cause of democracy. So now I am wondering if that is how the Clinton Campaign began emailing my private email account without my permission to tell me that donating to the Clinton campaign would make me a Clinton supporter. I was very angry. Wondering if the DNC left the door open when the firewall went down exposing all of the email addresses to either or both campaigns. Until the investigation is complete, I believe that the Clinton campaign got my email address from the DNC.
Clinton supporters told me on the DU HC Group that Sanders campaign staff gave my email address to the Clinton Campaign. For my inquiry, DU banned me from that group. I am waiting on the results/findings of the investigation of the several firewall drops made through the DNC, not the candidates.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)the dnc has your info
all three dem campaigns can see that info all the time,no one had to steal or give anything away
what the data breach was about is a separate list that has supporter info beyond what all candidates campaigns can see
for example:
johnsmith
home addy
email addy
phone number
supports hc and a number range showing how strong that support is
more than likely hc just did a mail bomb of every dem/leaner that the dnc has collected over like 20 years
hope you can work things out with the bernie group,there has been so much animosity, feelings are easily to hurt and the net itself is difficult to communicate on so misunderstandings happen
WillyT
(72,631 posts)From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251975367
The whole thing is an interesting read.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Ahhh...... I'd like to buy a clue for $100.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559
It is Sanders that hasn't followed up.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Bernie has offered to work with the DNC on fundraising.
In fact, it only affirms that Bernie has been willing to work with the DNC.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)By fundraising for the DNC. I know that the DNC is the Dark Angel that fell to earth, but Thom is just playing to the anger and fear. And he is lying if he indeed said "the DNC hasn't followed up".
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Now I know you are full of shit.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Sure. That's me. The shitmeister.
The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.
The candidate rarely headlines fundraising events, and is not close with many big-money Democratic donors, but he has been working to prove his proximity to the party in recent months as he competes with Clinton.
The Vermont senator, who is an Independent but caucuses with Senate Democrats, also recently lent his name to a fundraising letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, according to a campaign adviser, in another indication of his slowly growing ties to the party's infrastructure.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Response to Kentonio (Reply #192)
postatomic This message was self-deleted by its author.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It would be very illuminating.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)They can't fight on the issues because Bernie's correct on every one of them, so they have to resort to lies and posting bogus corrupt corporate owned polls to make HRH even begin to look palatable to voters. If you can't win an election based on facts and honesty, you have no business running for president.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
AzDar
(14,023 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)for the hillarian in this instance, if this is to be "believed"
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/2/1465637/-The-DNC-Hasn-t-Even-Asked-Sanders-to-Do-Fundraising-Events
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Not just about this particular issue either.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)laureloak
(2,055 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)The Jury voted to Leave IT ALONE
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which is run by a different group of people. (I get fundraising requests from them frequently.) Or he could have helped individual candidates.
Also, his campaign -- which should know better than T. Hartmann -- has said Bernie has "plans" to fundraise for the national party, NOT that the DNC has caused any problem.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/sanders-campaign-raised-33m-october-36056246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Senatorial_Campaign_Committee
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) is the Democratic Hill committee for the United States Senate. It is the only organization solely dedicated to electing Democrats to the United States Senate. The DSCC's current Chairman is Senator Jon Tester of Montana, who succeeded Senator Michael Bennet following the United States Senate elections, 2014. The DSCC's current Executive Director is Tom Lopach, who is assisted by Deputy Executive Director Preston Elliott.
http://action.dscc.org/blue-senate-2015/?ms=SEM_GS_Evergreen15-S_DSCC-Ex_46859055812
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Whoa.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Read it a few times here today that they're not liberal at all, in fact.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)... Is it March yet?
Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)and so far he has raised nothing for them. That is not bullshit, it is fact.
Response to Progressive dog (Reply #71)
nc4bo This message was self-deleted by its author.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)via cellphone.
Things get twisted. I usually catch it before clicking *post my reply" but not this time.
Please forgive me for my egregious error.
senz
(11,945 posts)but then, I can be kinda slow...
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Then the post above me refers to him raising funds for the DNC.
just as poster responded "huh" to me was EXACTLY the way I felt with his/her DNC comment.
Apologies wrong thread. I'll delete
Its tough browsing on a cell.
senz
(11,945 posts)Happens to the best of us!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You know, priorities. There are terminally ill cancer grannies running loose who need to go to prison for marijuana, and some things need to take precedence.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)If so his judgement is suspect. Nader voters gave us Bush and the Iraq war.
randys1
(16,286 posts)is the nominee, I will look for all Thom fans to also.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Meanwhile, we should ask ourselves what Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing during all this, given the allegations of ignoring the Sanders campaign offer.
Was she too busy coordinating with Sheldon Adelson to wage war on medical marijuana users?
senz
(11,945 posts)so they probably aren't too concerned about what you're looking for.
I guess people will vote for whom they damn well please.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Sorry if that bothers you.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's still a free country. Yes, a free country. Sorry if that bothers you.
randys1
(16,286 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Doubtful.
merrily
(45,251 posts)it's a poster who has been professing to be a Sanders supporter since Day 1. I haven't really seen him or her defend Sanders against the many posts here that slam Sanders. I've only seen him or her defend Hillary and talk about everyone voting for her in the general. I have, however, personally seen him or her say, on at least 3 occasions since May 2015, post that Bernie would be better against Wall Street than Hillary (ya think?) So, there is that. And, if I have personally seen it 3 times, I assume there are most posts like that.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)RandySF
(59,092 posts)Name the Democrats (other than the DSCC) he raised money for and tell us whom Bernie had in mind to primary Obama in 2012 (not that he was a Democrat then).
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)to assume that Thom can read Bernie's mind.
It looks like you're making Thom a stand-in for a candidate whom you apparently hate.
RandySF
(59,092 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)The lack of which is kind of telling.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)SBS couldn't care less about the party, which lines up real well with you.
House of Roberts
(5,179 posts)I believe it. That settles it.
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MeNMyVolt This message was self-deleted by its author.
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Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...where has Sanders supported other Democrats? When does he expect he'll contribute to other Democrats?
This should be the main feature of his revolution, the promotion of candidates who would be expected to carry his agenda forward in the legislature. Why is he waiting for the DNC to make that happen for him?
I know that his two rivals have independently and regularly provided material and on the stump support for other Democrats, even before they began their run for office. If anything, Bernie is late to this.
Some evidence that he's doing anything at all in this area beyond mouthing or signing commitments yet unfulfilled?
RandySF
(59,092 posts)Hartmann began his business career in the early 1970s while in his 20s, co-founding The Woodley Herber Company. Woodley Herber sold herbal products, potpourris and teas, and operated until 1978.[19] It was during this time that Hartmann obtained three degrees in herbology and homeopathic medicine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann
merrily
(45,251 posts)I never heard of a snake oil salesman with three degrees in anything. Usually, they just hold themselves out as experts without doing the work.
Having had to recover from a prognosis of death and succeeding, I believe in whole foods and vitamin and mineral supplements and am grateful that people try to educate themselves about such things.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)And since that time has helped DU get promoted on his radio shows numerous time which helped the owners build this site. But I guess we can do personal attacks on DU members now without retribution.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197528
Response to Kentonio (Reply #193)
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blondie58
(2,570 posts)Smartest man in radio. I am still mad at Air America for leaving us with that dang RW hate speech.
Beowulf42
(204 posts)The DNC is being managed by people who are promoting Hillary at every turn. That is a primary reason I don't donate to them, because they fail to support good democratic candidates, but seem to favor corporatists who are opposed to the principles of FDR AND most democratic voters.
Faux pas
(14,687 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I believe the opposite.
But by all means buy more gold and the super duper berry leaf extract juice he feeds his own family to maintain perfect health.
doc03
(35,361 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I hate it when the shit hits the fan!
Good thread, bernie!