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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 07:36 PM Mar 2012

As feminists, united we fall apart – divided we may yet succeed

My International Women's Day thought? We should act more like a football team and less like synchronised swimmers

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 7 March 2012 15.30 EST


I'm not that fussed about pornography. I never have been. I accept the practical point that a lot of porn degrades women intentionally so can't be made without the humiliation of women involved in it; and I accept the theoretical point that it is made for the male gaze, so women aren't agents of their own pleasure, they're just accessories to male pleasure. But I can't make the leap from there to any serious belief that the act of filming two people having sex is necessarily demeaning to women. I don't accept that women who like porn have somehow been enslaved by a male cultural coding – or if they have, what is anybody's sexuality but a series of triggers and preferences they've picked up on the way to maturity?

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It sounds like I've mellowed, but in fact, on other things, I've become more hardline. I no longer think it's possible to be a rightwing feminist. It makes no logical sense to seek equality just for your own gender then step away from egalitarianism more generally. Pragmatically, what kind of equality are you talking about if it only applies among women? Are you just fighting for some kind of tiered parity, where middle-class women have the same rights and prospects as middle-class men, and working-class women have the rights and prospects of working-class men?

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But my International Women's Day pledge is for us to act more like a football team and less like synchronised swimmers. Synchronicity is a mug's game, and things move faster when everybody concentrates on what they're good at. There is no way we'll ever reach an agenda where all of us agree, in equal measure, with everything on it. I've seen larger, more vivid, more optimistic feminist gatherings in the past six months than in the rest of my life put together, but not one of them has reached its end without a load of time being wasted on one of these classic faultlines: someone frozen out for admitting she likes Debbie Does Dallas; someone else saying, "What do I care about some middle-income woman's childcare arrangements when rape is being used as an act of war in the Congo?"; or some feud erupting about whether Hooters is more or less sexist than David Cameron.

The women's movement has a problem with ideological purism: in its discourse it demands not only that we all adhere to a central set of truths but also that we agree on their priority. This task is impossible – you cannot agree a priority between the defence of a woman's reproductive rights and the rights of women to be protected from violence.

You cannot say that, because women suffer injustices far more severe in other parts of the world, a woman who's had to give up work in Harlesden because her tax credits were cut is not a feminist issue. You cannot hope that a belief in equality will lead everybody to the same conclusions about body shapes, or all-women shortlists, or gender essentialism. When we try to present a united front, we're not asking too much of ourselves, we're asking too little: waiting for an unattainable unity is just another way of doing nothing. When we divide, we can burn more brightly in many places.


more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/07/feminists-international-womens-day

Agree with a lot of the commentary here. I would prefer we all work toward our common goals and not let the differences divide us.

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As feminists, united we fall apart – divided we may yet succeed (Original Post) maddezmom Mar 2012 OP
We've NEVER been synchronized, elleng Mar 2012 #1
yup it is a big crazy tent maddezmom Mar 2012 #2
Thanks for this libodem Mar 2012 #3
yEP! Vanje Mar 2012 #4

elleng

(131,042 posts)
1. We've NEVER been synchronized,
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 07:39 PM
Mar 2012

nor did we ever seek to be, kind of like Dems. We are, in fact INDEPENDENT, always have been, always will be, and its the only way we could/would/can succeed.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
3. Thanks for this
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:02 PM
Mar 2012

I liked it. I wish I could express what I feel about being forced into lock step in order to fit into a group. It weakens something. IMO. Republicans hate tolerance. I think we should embrace our right to think differently yet be cohesive in working toward equality.

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