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As newly appointed CEO of Object, Van Heeswijk is at the helm of one of the most influential feminist organisations in the UK and tasked with spearheading the fight against the "pornification" of society. The appointment comes only weeks after Van Heeswijk gave evidence to the Leveson inquiry about the sexist portrayal of women in the press. Armed with a catalogue of images published by the Sun, the Sport and the Star, she exposed how frequently women are portrayed as sex objects through features like Page Three.
"Our argument and solutions are simple," she says. "This type of sexually objectifying material would be restricted on television because of the recognised harms associated with these stereotyped portrayals of women and it would be considered sexual harassment if it was in the workplace. Why is it, then, that they should be printed in mainstream newspapers which are not age-restricted and are sold and displayed at child's eye level?" Object, along with Eaves, Equality Now, End Violence Against Women and Turn Your Back on Page Three want this regulatory gap to be closed.
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Was Van Heeswijk nervous about taking on News International? "No. Because I know that we don't stand alone. We stand shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people across the UK who are sick of this sexism." This time the protest hasn't been shut down so easily. Sun editor Dominic Mohan was recalled to the inquiry to answer Van Heeswijk's charge and, while his response was predictably dismissive, she is resolute. "It was a historic moment that the editor of the Sun was held to account about Page Three in such a public forum." Indeed, the legal footing for this so-called "institution" has never looked so precarious.
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For now, Van Heeswijk's focus is firmly on Rupert Murdoch. Shortly after giving evidence to Leveson, Object requested a meeting with him. His response was brief. "Ladies, I have read the proceedings before the Leveson inquiry and have nothing to add to what Mr Dominic Mohan said at that time." So the "ladies" are planning to protest outside News International. You cannot help thinking that Murdoch should be concerned.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/anna-van-heeswijk-page-three-tabloid
MuseRider
(34,120 posts)Good for her and good for them. I am pleased they have strong groups around and that they are finally feeling a little give on the other end.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)...
Charlotte Mclean, 18, another member, said: Maybe decades ago people thought feminists were all old lesbians who hated men.
That is so clichéd. It is not like that it is about people treating people equally.
She said: I joined because I was unhappy at the image of women I was seeing. It does affect people. It may seem like a small thing but the Camden School for Girls gets good speakers in assemblies and at the end there is time for questions. It is always the boys who get to ask their questions first.
She added: Weve had students who are only 13 or 14 being beeped outside the front of the school by men driving past. You think: how can this even be allowed?
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MuseRider
(34,120 posts)I am especially drawn to the first line you quote.
Many people did not really think this. My thoughts, having been around during some of this is that there were a few men who were smart enough to see what was happening who did not want it to change. They are the one's who started all of that. At that time you could not really blame women who took up the call with the men, it was not so easy then to be a single female trying to support herself and it was still a terrible burden with a large stigma to be a divorced woman. A very frightening thing.
Of course there were lesbians involved in the movement but I don't know any lesbians who hate men. Somehow not wanting to fuck men or pair with them means they hate them? Of course there were women who did hate men, most of them for very good reason. How much abuse are women supposed to take before it is OK to just want to steer clear of men and why is that always indicating hate? Why does it always come right down to the fucking?
I am heartened by this article. It sounds like there are even a few businesses who understood what they were asking and actually did what they requested. Thank you. Starts my day off with some hope!!
**one more thing My boys went to a private school for a while, the public school they were to attend took a very lax attitude about learning. At that school it was the same way, boys always got to ask the questions and be answered. By the time my youngest left we were having to fight for the boys, it had totally flipped. My son told me he would have to ask the girl next to him to ask his question. Exactly opposite of my experience way back in the olden days.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I imagine back in the day a tendency to prioritize boys would have been much more common, but that now the opposite is found in some classrooms.
A little story about teaching styles... I had a great professor for my A&P lecture one semester who was excellent at conveying the material, but who also tossed in his personal (and very sexist) observations at every opportunity. (e.g. During a discussion of the purpose of body hair, he says how American women are expected to shave, so no one should seek to emulate women in any other country, where it is not considered mandatory. Little tidbits like that.)
MuseRider
(34,120 posts)I had a GREAT A&P teacher, just loved him and his classes.
I am pretty certain they had to then try to find a happy median. I was outraged but then again there was a part of me that thought, "Wow, the girls are getting to participate, how wonderful!" But I had 2 sons so those of us with unhappy boys who wanted to participate brought it up. I would imagine they changed to try to accomodate all but I don't know, it was a private school and we got out of it as quickly as we could. I don't know if it was teacher dependent. I think they were all asked to let more girls in on the learning stuff, it was most likely a balancing act at first that went awry.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)some still cling to the mistaken belief that only certain types of women care about objectification, sexualization, etc.
Kinda like the mistaken belief that sexist insults or attitudes are only a problem when it's right wing people guilty of it, or left wing people targeted by it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)which is really ironic since what the woman is arguing is ownership of sexuality, and not being pornified by the very man that then turns around and uses sexuality once again to demean, degrade, shut the woman up.
our sexuality, our body is continually used against us as a weapon against us. funny that. and it is for men to dominate and control. too many women participate in their own oppression.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)and recognize it for what it is.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it was fuck that. who the hell are these people saying this shit to me. 40 yr old virgins???? lol
once i realized they were using the same weapon on women that called out the pornification as they were using on women with the porn.... it truly did take it to a stillness where it doesnt effect me at all. and i certainly do not need to justify my sex life or sexuality to any of the creeps that choose that as a manner to insult me and shut me up.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)To distract people (women) from discussing whatever issue they are actually trying to discuss.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)implemented in argument wherever the discussion is. be it in our political world, business or a forum on the net.
cowardly.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Precisely so.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)All strip clubs have good bouncers, or should. While I understand sex workers desire for respect and legitimacy, the fact remains that once a women (any woman; objectification, or becoming non-human, drives much of sexual violence) becomes objectified, again non-human, she becomes subject to the same violence that drives all sexual violence) only it's expected, anticipated, legitimized and laughed off--routine. Women may be protected, but as an investment.
It isn't the fault of the sex worker, it a reflection of how heinously damaging objectifying women really is. The reality flys in the face of the 'empowering' arguments used by those in the trade. Of course sex work, that sense of being desired, and controlling desire, can feel empowering. But at what cost? I don't see that it balances out very well. I never have. As long as society continues to objectify and degrade women I never will.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)It isn't the fault of the sex worker, it a reflection of how heinously damaging objectifying women really is. The reality flys in the face of the 'empowering' arguments used by those in the trade. Of course sex work, that sense of being desired, and controlling desire, can feel empowering. But at what cost? I don't see that it balances out very well. I never have. As long as society continues to objectify and degrade women I never will.
actually, here is a womens voice that i appreciated.
"Doing something like actually contributing to changing a legal thing, going to parliament, sitting in a room being listened to by politicians, these sorts of experiences can profoundly alter your self-perception," says Alexandra. After the campaign, Object set up the UK's first peer support group for women in the industry.
and i say this knowing, her voice is not all womens voice. but, it is her voice.