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ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:04 PM Feb 2013

Sexism from “the left”: why it has to stop

A spectre is haunting the left. The spectre of feminism.

I expect nobody is as annoyed by that opening line as me, but it got stuck in my head and I had to write it down somewhere, and here’s as good a place as any. I’m sorry.

I’m writing this in a fit of fury at the latest manifestation of left sexism, having spent two days in an argument with a left-wing man and a lot of his left-wing mostly male followers where they have been absolutely refusing to see the point I’ve been trying to make. Of course, this isn’t the first time something like this has happened, and it certainly won’t be the last unless something absolutely spectacular gives right at this moment. As I can’t hear the sweet sound of kyriarchy falling over and smashing into dust, I can only assume that all of this is going to happen again in due course.

Sexism on the left comes in forms as diverse as the beliefs of those who are lumped under the umbrella term of “the left”. The most overt form, perhaps, is outright sexist language (bitch, etc), and rape apologism (e.g. George Galloway, the SWP), but that’s the tip of a very sexist iceberg. Among the liberals, it often comes as a backlash against calling out sexism and pleas for unity. For some, sexism is a problem to be solved later, and we should, at present, fight the perceived “real enemy”. Then there’s the manarchists, swinging their dicks as they ignore their female comrades. There’s also those who can say all of the right words, and then their behaviour doesn’t match up at all, and they will defend their behaviour using theory that they learned and are apparently incapable of applying to themselves. Others still think that they’re doing more than enough already to combat sexism. Then there’s the ones who insist that intersectionality is somehow equivalent to identity politics, proving that they are ignorant about what at least one of these things is. This is hardly an exhaustive list. Left sexism manifests in so many ways.

It all has one thing in common: that self-assurance that they are completely right which comes with male privilege.


http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/sexism-from-the-left-why-it-has-to-stop/



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Sexism from “the left”: why it has to stop (Original Post) ismnotwasm Feb 2013 OP
This is soooo good MadrasT Feb 2013 #1
And what about sexism from "skeptics"? longship Feb 2013 #2
I've been reading about that ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #3
I love these people. They are standing up, as they should. longship Feb 2013 #5
Drat. gollygee Feb 2013 #4
i know repugs that are more pro women then some liberal men. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #6
She singles out men, but women particiapte in this too. redqueen Feb 2013 #7
Oh yes ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #8
lol, no shit.. redqueen Feb 2013 #9
It's empowery!!!1! MadrasT Feb 2013 #10
Sorry I missed this. efhmc Sep 2019 #11

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. And what about sexism from "skeptics"?
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:29 PM
Feb 2013

Who should arguably be the last segment of the population to embrace sexism. Nevertheless, it's a fact that there are so-called skeptics who actually argue that sexism isn't a real thing and it's just militant women putting forth lies.

Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers are leading the battle. More power to them. They both have noisy blogs and have a voice which needs to be heard.

Rebecca Watson and her blog, SkepChick

Of course, PZ Myers has the wonderfully cranky Pharyngula.

Sexism just sucks. The objectification of women is an evil thing.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
3. I've been reading about that
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:37 PM
Feb 2013

Those women are just badass, the atheist/skeptic feminist community is very vocal about sexism.

It's interesting where you find women speaking up, from skeptics to comic-cons, it's almost like they're thinking 'this shit? Are you fucking kidding me? Oh no you don't--

Strong voices.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. I love these people. They are standing up, as they should.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:07 PM
Feb 2013

And PZ is wonderful, too. Standing up, as I would.

They are right, and the misogynists are wrong. Period!

BTW, Rebecca Watson has been a major contributor to the best skeptical podcast on the planet, the Skeptics Guide to the Universe which has been podcasting weekly for years without missing a week. Rebecca is one of the regular panelists, the only female. She makes her presence known. I never miss an episode. And they have their entire archive on line, free downloads of nearly 400 episodes. Just good shit!

They didn't even miss a week when one of their regulars passed away. Amazing what they've done. Highly recommended.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. She singles out men, but women particiapte in this too.
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:05 AM
Feb 2013
This is exacerbated, at least in part, by a prevalent belief that everything is a matter for debate. This debate ought to be held cordially and civilly, ending with either agreement, or at least by politely agreeing to disagree. For the privileged, it is perfectly easy to view oppressions as a sort of intellectual game and little more than a topic to agree to disagree on. For those who experience these oppressions, it’s not that simple and it’s not a fucking game. And so we’re branded as over-emotional about things which we don’t have the luxury of turning off our emotions on. It’s a thing we face every day, and its very existence is being denied and defended by those who claim to be on our side.


Hear fucking hear.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
8. Oh yes
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013

Often under the guise of being 'tougher'

Which is really, really ironic, since its exactly the opposite.

efhmc

(14,732 posts)
11. Sorry I missed this.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:56 AM
Sep 2019

There is something so ingrained, inborn, embedded in our society that I feel this will never change. This keeps me from supporting our female candidates. I cannot let the hateful attitude in the US toward women betray me again.

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