History of Feminism
Related: About this forumOf course all men don’t hate women. But all men must know they benefit from sexism
These days, before we talk about misogyny, women are increasingly being asked to modify our language so we dont hurt mens feelings. Dont say, Men oppress women thats sexism, as bad as any sexism women ever have to handle, possibly worse. Instead, say, Some men oppress women. Whatever you do, dont generalise. Thats something men do. Not all men just somemen.
This type of semantic squabbling is a very effective way of getting women to shut up. After all, most of us grew up learning that being a good girl was all about putting other peoples feelings ahead of our own. We arent supposed to say what we think if theres a chance it might upset somebody else or, worse, make them angry. So we stifle our speech with apologies, caveats and soothing sounds. We reassure our friends and loved ones that youre not one of those men who hate women.
What we dont say is: of course not all men hate women. But culture hates women, so men who grow up in a sexist culture have a tendency to do and say sexist things, often without meaning to. We arent judging you for who you are but that doesnt mean were not asking you to change your behaviour. What you feel about women in your heart is of less immediate importance than how you treat them on a daily basis.
http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/laurie-penny/men-sexism
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)and they treat them as nothing more than subhuman. A greater truth couldn't be spoken all of us guys benefit good or bad from the patriarchal misogynist culture we live in.
Swamp Lover
(431 posts)".....After all, most of us grew up learning that being a good girl was all about putting other peoples feelings ahead of our own. We arent supposed to say what we think if theres a chance it might upset somebody else or, worse, make them angry. So we stifle our speech with apologies, caveats and soothing sounds."
Not the way my sisters were raised in the home I was raised in, and God help the man, woman, or child who might try to stifle my mother, sisters, daughter or granddaughter!
I don't claim to know how the poster was raised but it was by no means universal.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Swamp Lover
(431 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am being especially welcoming and NICE with trivial, today. can't promise you anything about tomorrow, though.
Squinch
(50,922 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i tip my hat to you
Squinch
(50,922 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,521 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)I thought, "This must be an old thread that popped to the top."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)through googlin' something with lac. he was tos'ed a while ago. confused me all over the place.
was in you neck of the woods a couple weeks ago. ahhhh, your country feels so good.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)I learned to yell "fuck you" and give the finger to asshole sexists but I wasn't raised that way.
I learned that male desire wasn't some supreme complement-- but I wasn't raised that way.
I learned that no matter how tough I acted, or was, no matter what protections I took, it didn't protect me from rape-- but I wasn't raised that way.
I learned that my sexuality is nobody's else's business, that 'slut' is bullshit term tossed out by men and women at those women who didn't fit into their narrow boundaries; that society never allow me, a woman that grace of sexual agency
I could go on and on.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"After all, most of us grew up..." and
"Not the way my sisters were raised in the home I was raised in...
How precisely did you arrive at the conclusion that your own personal anecdotal experience is equivalent to "most"? Additionally, how precisely do you arrive at "universal" from "most"?
If it helps... "universal" and "most" are two different words. 'Most' means in the majority of instances (allowing for personal and anecdotal stories, alleged or not) to remain viable, whilst 'Universal' means pertaining to all or to the whole, and applicable in every instance.
Maybe you can see that conflating the two words is pretty much where your premise falls apart, and looks rather (to borrow from your learned lexicon) "silly" when stated as such.
Swamp Lover
(431 posts)....or is it an anecdotal device imagined to allow the poster to believe a personal weakness is shared by others?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I made no assertions. I merely asked you questions which remain unanswered...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)luvs ya always. lol,
i do not filter. i scare some. you are one awesome dude.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Sexism is rooted in the systemic, socially acceptable, institutionalized oppression of women.
It is possible to be prejudiced against men. One can be rude, discriminatory, etc. against men, but one CANNOT be sexist toward them.
Similarly, it is impossible to be racist towards white people. This stuff truly just isn't that complicated. It's sociology 101, really.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Exactly so. Allow me to share my wall paper
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)hear about rapes, molestation and discrimination. The social benefit for men is incalcuable.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you might want to be open minded enough to educate yourself exactly how and why it works that way instead of thinking you are funny.
boston bean
(36,219 posts)good to see you!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)still really really busy. i sent a son away....
my cleaning has reduced by 80%. . am i bad for recognizing and appreciating that?
boston bean
(36,219 posts)Mine was in his first year last year. I know the feeling. It's gets better, though.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sad on the other. a chapter closed and a new begins. i am not a typical "empty nest" mama though. which i did not expect i would be. i am really doing good and ok with it all.but, good to know.
i did not know you just went thru it. thanks.
he registered and moved in early to start cross country practice. he has a woman coach. and man... does she take care of her athletes. so there is that.
boston bean
(36,219 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the oldest kinda did a really good job over shadowing him. so i am excited to see what develops over the next three years with this one.
boston bean
(36,219 posts)Boy, did I miss him. I felt like I was getting old, and watching the world pass by me.
I missed everything, and relived in my mind, the days he was so dependent on mummy!
But like I say, it didn't last that long. Us humans have a penchant to be malleable to conditions of which we have no power.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to set up my life, so i do not have to experience that empty feel. it is the energy thing.
ya.... agree.
how is he doing in college? kick ass and adjusted?
Little Star
(17,055 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thanks. and food.
and my youngest has had to step up with interesting conversation to fill older sons shoes. that is a good thing.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)It is a good thing that the younger one has a chance to practice his conversational skills in the front seat, so to say.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)that you have been doing this young man's laundry for him.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)program and AP taking college credit with him to his university, working out twice a day with track and cross country getting a scholarship making the school way affordable for us and working the same part time job, for two years, saving money to pay part of his way while in college.
yes. i did his laundry. and cooked his dinners, sometimes breakfast.
he has certainly held up his end of the deal in all this.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)good to see you.
hey, did i say, always?
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)It's good to see you back.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thank you....
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Welcome back!!!!!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thank you.
thank you.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Did you come to add to the conversation after reading the article?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i wonder....
if there was an spike in alerts, lol
of course. it would be ALL my fault, for showing up
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Still, strange brew if you know what I mean