Speaking of callouts

[BainsBane]

Last edited Wed Feb 19, 2014, 11:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Apparently I am now exhibit A in the vast feminist conspiracy against men on DU. A certain member decided to call me out in GD. He uses the same quote that someone else posted to me a couple of days ago. At that time I asked the poster what he thought was so incriminating about that post. (You will see the post in question linked in the jury results below--on the post calling me out.) The person never answered my question about what he found so troubling about my comment. But the second member's use of it indicates he saw it as evidence of my intent to harass men on this site.

The post was actually in response to a thread by Quinnox that was hidden by a jury. That thread made a series of generalizations about men--generalizations I thought quite sexist and negative--but that he assumed were inherent to all men. Quinnox claimed its hiding was due to alert stalking. My crime seems to be finding some amusement in that thread rather than complaining about it or alerting on it. That I was going with the flow with his comments about men is now used as some sort of evidence of malicious intent on my part. Some members have obviously gotten together to concoct a story where that post somehow represents exhibit A in the vast misandrist conspiracy on DU. When they have to dig so deep and invent fantasies as evidence of their so-called persecution, that really says a lot.

You'll note that the linked post below also accused a small group of starting everything. This is in the awesome thread about pics that create a hostile environment that received over 160 recs. Did I or anyone here post the SI pics or the Kate Upton pics? No. My crime was staying out of those two threads and attempting to deal with the issue in a positive manner by posting pictures of athletes, an alternative SI cover. 154 members indicated they enjoyed the thread, whereas two members called it "sickening" and an example of promoting "victimization." Because, after all, what conveys victimization better than a kick ass athlete? But apparently a few members (presumably HOF) and me in particular are responsible for all that ails DU, including the wacky idea that liberals might respect the the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that establishes the legal basis for prohibitions against a hostile environment. That crazy radical LBJ. He really was an extremist. Fifty years later, those provisions are unacceptable to some men on this site, and they've decided to blame it all on us, and me in particular.

This jury verdict provides more evidence for what we already know. Callouts against members who don't count (like Tarheel Dem or me) are acceptable, but if a woman makes an oblique reference to a DUer who matters, never mind if no one else knows who she is talking about, now that is an "abuse of our 'privilege.'"

On Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:23 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

The difference being, one side has the well earned, long time reputation of starting it,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4526569

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Dishonest callout. This is the second time someone has posted that quote as some sort of evidence of maliciousness on my part, but this one doesn't even post it to me directly but as a callout to establish some claim that I'm persecuting him. My comment was following a thread by Quinnox he wrote making a bunch of generalizations about men being this and that. It
was hidden, due to what Quinnox claimed was alert stalking. Now my crime is enjoying one of their threads instead of complaining about it or alerting on it. This is a malicious and dishonest callout designed to create animosity. It also shows a complete absence of integrity that he doesn't confront me with the post to see what I meant. That this is the smoking gun for how oppressed men are on DU is pretty sad. But mainly this is simply a callout that dishonestly attacks someone not part of that subthread (until a minute ago when I saw the callout) for no purpose other than to sow discord. This kind of deliberate dishonesty makes DU suck.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 19, 2014, 07:42 PM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Whooosh" went the point over the alerter's head. "Go whooosh!" said Jane. "Go whooosh, go!" said Dick.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I probably should have passed on this one because I really can't be bothered with the gender wars. I'm letting this one stand - Those that want to keep fighting should remeber that all's fair in love and war.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[NYC_SKP]

1. It's unbelievably dickish to take and then post screencaps of other member's posts.

It's stalking, IMHO.

And I'm happy to take a hide in saying that's some asshole behavior right there, that is sociopathic behavior.

I'm sorry to see that this happened.

[BainsBane]

2. Especially when used so dishonestly

It appears to me, deliberately so. The irony is that he is in a thread that 164 members recommended, indicating they agree those pics constitute a hostile environment for women on DU. Yet its all the fault of a small group. Unfucking real.

[NYC_SKP]

4. That gif is priceless!

Thanks for the smile!

[BainsBane]

3. Thank you, NYC_Skp

I really appreciate your support.

[nomorenomore08]

18. I'll sign off on this as well. BB's treatment here has been beyond unfair, in many respects.

[MadrasT]

5. Times like this, I am glad to be Aspie.

I can't make heads nor tails out of what point that poster was even trying to make.

A lot of snark and attempts to do *whatever* that was attempting to do just go over my head. (It's especially funny when I sense somebody is trying to p0wn me but I am too literal to understand how or what or why.)

I can't even keep the players straight. The only ones I remember are the ones who seem to do nothing but snark and attack. And I am not talking about disagreement, I am talking about the over the top nasty personal attacks. I can be sarcastic and disagree, but I try to make it a disagreement about the opinion, and not "You're an asshole slimebag neener neener."

I can't comprehend why people waste the time to go back and forth 10 times in a subthread just being mean. What is the purpose of that? (I miss DU2 because the mods disappeared that bullshit and here it just continues ad fucking nauseum. The "disappear subthread" was a huge feature on DU2. DU3 has utterly failed to create a space that is safe and somewhat welcoming, a refuge from the banal childish bullshit you find everywhere else on the web.)

Generally I state my two cents of support or disagreement, and get the hell out of Dodge. I don't revisit most threads after I comment in them, and I don't check the My Posts thingy to see if anybody replied. I just don't care.

Internet cagefights are not my idea of fun.

But even I see that HoF regulars get "called out" on stuff that is par for the course, A-OK everywhere else on DU. I can pretty easily ignore assholes because my emotional investment in DU is pretty minimal. Some anonymous jackass types words. Oh well. I have been doing the internet forum thing way too long to get too wrapped up in the cult of personality anymore.

[BainsBane]

6. As far as I could figure

He basically is arguing I am the source of all that is evil on DU.

[MadrasT]

7. LOL... could be. Thanks for the translation.

Well if so, to me that is just so silly and obviously untrue, it isn't worth the pixels it takes to respond.

It is like when people do the strawman thing... it is so obviously not related I can't bother to address it. (I'll read it and think "we we talking about X... but you just inserted Y and lost me" and I lose interest.)

I get that some people find verbal sparring to be fun but, ugh, not me.

I have tried in the past to have real discussions with people but then they go all snarky and nasty and make assumptions that I "mean things" I never said... and at that point the effort just ain't worth it for the minimal payoffs. Too many here have no interest in conversing in good faith so the hell with it. I am incapable of innuendo and get frustrated with people who always try to layer it into conversation.

[nomorenomore08]

19. God I hate that one. He is the whiniest fucking crybaby you'll find on here, and that's saying

something. "WAAAHHH those mean feminists are so mean to me and I'm such a nice, objective humanist!"

[hrmjustin]

8. It seems like you were the one being stalked.

[BainsBane]

9. Evidently

Since he is the second person I've seen to post that comment, it appears they've gotten together to talk about it and concoct a story in their heads that it's evidence that I am leading some vast misandrist conspiracy. I don't remember the last time I spoke to him before this. Perhaps I have. I don't recall. I certainly don't target him or any of them. I increasingly stay in HOF and have tried to avoid the flamebait lately.

[hrmjustin]

10. I try to stay away from the flamebait but then someone says something and I

respond. There are good reasons to avoid the bait from people but it is hard. I think you responded well to it.

[BainsBane]

11. My internet connection post was poor so it posted like 8 times

all with the same post number.

You know I have to step in when I see people talking shit about me. They have something to say, they need to say it to my face. I don't hesitate to say it to theirs if I need to.

[hrmjustin]

12. Nor should you back down.

If people have an honest issue then they should address it in a productive way. That was just a plain call out.

[ismnotwasm]

13. Am I the only one who thinks this very--strange?

I get snark, I get anger, I get back and forth he said she said crap.

But in my world this kind of action just weird.

[BainsBane]

14. especially that he thinks it some major smoking gun

Must take a lot of imagination. And I get accused of twisting words. Holy Shit. I never accused anyone of leading what amounts to a jihad of misandry. Since this is the second time someone has brought up that particular post, it's clear they've gotten together to talk about it and decide it was their eureka moment that enabled them to prove I was I was out to spread evil to the men of DU. Jesus. I was just joking about that silly thread that a guy posted making all kinds of ridiculous generalizations about men.

I wish I could remember who brought it up the other day. I don't really think twice about any of those guys. They all kind of blend together. A few stand out, but in general I couldn't tell you a thing about many of them.

[MadrasT]

20. To me it looked like a giant smoking gun

where the smoke turned out to be steam from a sad ass little water pistol.

People who get that worked up on the internet, I don't even want to deal with. They seem unstable and I take no joy in raising other people's blood pressure. It seems sadistic and sick to me to stalk and bully and harass people online.

[UtahLib]

15. I knew who it would be

before even clicking the link. I've noticed him because he slams HOF with wild accusations at every opportunity, whether warranted or not.

He seems determined to draw others into the gigantic grudge he harbors for the HOF group. It appears to be as simple as not being able to get past the fact that comments he posted in HOF were not well received.

It appears that some posters are making a sport of monitoring HOF in the hopes of digging up what they consider to be incriminating evidence of all the imagined 'sins' being perpetrated by the members of this group. It's a pretty good example of the totally self absorbed casting stone after stone at others from within their own glass houses.

[BainsBane]

16. I knew he had disagreements with HOF feminists

I didn't realize to what extent though, and I didn't know they'd figured me for the ringleader. Well, Seabeyond is out for a while so they need a new target. I guess it's me.

I really don't get that kind of fixation on specific posters. Investing so much in personal grudges seems like a terrible waste of energy. It's so weird.

[UtahLib]

17. It's more than just weird.

It's a sick obsession. Some people are determined to keep the spotlight on others and avoid any self reflection at all. All their problems are the fault of someone other than themselves. How is it possible to judge all women based on the hurt you've suffered at the hands of one woman? I think it's a case of not being able to see past your own nose. Everything is about me.

[LanternWaste]

21. Seems he's picked up on the recent MRA tactic to criticize the individual rather than the position

Seems he's picked up on the recent MRA tactic to criticize the individual rather than the position itself. However, what he may lack in analysis, he certainly makes up for in a unique and shrill melodrama.

[BainsBane]

24. He also severely overestimates

the importance of those guys in my thinking, that I would even care about to go about making their lives miserable.

The fact is I express ideas about human equality they find intolerable and that they have decided to pretend no one except a few loud-mouthed women care about. Again, where have they been the past few decades that any of the objections raised lately come as news to them? And they ignore the fact they are making those claims in threads with hundreds of people agreeing they find such threads to constitute a hostile environment. It's truly bizarre.

[redqueen]

22. I didn't see that in the thread.

I have someone upthread on ignore.

It's kinda scary how obsessive that post seems.

And it's ... I don't even know what to say about people calling your thread showing women as human beings instead of sexual playthings / decorations "sickening" or an example of "victimization".

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. Bizarro World