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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:53 AM Jun 2012

Does Manosphere Blogger Vox Day Really Support the Murder and Mutilation of Women?

Vox starts out by arguing that depriving women of education makes solid evolutionary sense:

[E]ducating women is strongly correlated with reducing their disposition and ability to reproduce themselves. Educating them tends to make them evolutionary dead ends. … 40% of German women with college degrees are childless. Does PZ seriously wish to claim that not reproducing is intrinsically beneficial to women?



Instead of being educated, Vox goes on to argue, girls should be married off young so they can start popping out babies:

R]aising girls with the expectation that their purpose in life is to bear children allows them to pursue marriage at the age of their peak fertility, increase the wage rates of their prospective marital partners, and live in stable, low-crime, homogenous societies that are not demographically dying. It also grants them privileged status, as they alone are able to ensure the continued survival of the society and the species alike. Women are not needed in any profession or occupation except that of child-bearer and child-rearer, and even in the case of the latter, they are only superior, they are not absolutely required.



Next, he defends the practice of throwing acid in the face of “independent” women:

[F]emale independence is strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills. Using the utilitarian metric favored by most atheists, a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability. If PZ has turned against utilitarianism or the concept of the collective welfare trumping the interests of the individual, I should be fascinated to hear it.



He offers a similar rationale for female genital mutilation, before launching into this bizarre racist attack on abortion rights:

F]ar more women are aborted than die as a result of their pregnancies going awry. The very idea that letting a few women die is worse than killing literally millions of unborn women shows that PZ not only isn’t thinking like a scientist, he’s quite clearly not thinking rationally at all. If PZ is going to be intellectually consistent here, then he should be quite willing to support the abortion of all black fetuses, since blacks disproportionately commit murder and 17x more people could be saved by aborting black fetuses than permitting the use of abortion to save the life of a mother. 466 American women die in pregnancy every year whereas 8,012 people died at the hands of black murderers in 2010.


http://manboobz.com/2012/06/06/does-manosphere-blogger-vox-day-really-support-the-murder-and-mutilation-of-women/#comments
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i think it is important that we know what SOME men are being taught on the net. they are going to these sites, getting validation. some day, it would be interesting to do a more thorough thread on this.

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Does Manosphere Blogger Vox Day Really Support the Murder and Mutilation of Women? (Original Post) seabeyond Jun 2012 OP
That is unbelievably sick and scary. sufrommich Jun 2012 #1
i have been following along with the evolutionary psychology and this ripplin' out, growing, seabeyond Jun 2012 #2
"dont make me" sufrommich Jun 2012 #3
. seabeyond Jun 2012 #4
Aw, thanks. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #5
man boobz is an excellent blog redqueen Jun 2012 #6
gnna check out and investigate the site more. thanks redqueen. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #7
I've been reading some of the older posts Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #8
Yep, that's why the SPLC considers them hate groups. redqueen Jun 2012 #9
Holy damn it's like a trainwreck I can't stop reading... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #11
so true. i regularly have conversation with people that tell me they dont know about it, dont want seabeyond Jun 2012 #10
K&R. This reminds me of the e-mail sent around by that AF General, required reading for LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #12
dominionists. Scary. seabeyond Jun 2012 #13
Probably Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #14
it is much larger than that. it is all over the net. it is not seabeyond Jun 2012 #15

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
1. That is unbelievably sick and scary.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jun 2012

I'm not going to the link to view his site, but is it a pretty big site?

"R]aising girls with the expectation that their purpose in life is to bear children allows them to pursue marriage at the age of their peak fertility, increase the wage rates of their prospective marital partners, and live in stable, low-crime, homogenous societies that are not demographically dying. It also grants them privileged status, as they alone are able to ensure the continued survival of the society and the species alike. Women are not needed in any profession or occupation except that of child-bearer and child-rearer, and even in the case of the latter, they are only superior, they are not absolutely required."


I will tell you again Sea, you really must read A Handmaids Tale.It goes there and it's horrifying.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. i have been following along with the evolutionary psychology and this ripplin' out, growing,
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jun 2012

cult like attitude i am seeing is really scary.



I'm not going to the link to view his site
i didnt wanna. lol.


I will tell you again Sea, you really must read A Handmaids Tale.It goes there and it's horrifying.
i am . dont make me.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
6. man boobz is an excellent blog
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jun 2012

PZ Myers is another guy who really gets it and is unafraid to speak up... he's the one who so enraged Day with his rational and logical analysis of evo psych nonsense.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. I've been reading some of the older posts
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jun 2012

I had no idea how much batshit insanity was spread among the so-called MRA...I never paid much attention to it because I'm single, and I always thought the original root of the "movement" were angry dads who got the disproportionate end of the shit stick in divorce/child custody hearings...

Whatever the original meaning, those clowns have morphed into something very ugly, extreme and dangerous...Some of those MRA blogs regularly post 20+ page rants that read like some weird mix of FR, stormfront, and the conspiracy forums, but written with the sexual maturity of a 10-year-old...It's like a contest to see how much racially-coded, pseudo-libertarian Birchisms they can fit in each sentence...

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
9. Yep, that's why the SPLC considers them hate groups.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

There may be some that focus on actual men's rights issues.

Mostly its just feminist bashing and other hateful screeds, as well as stalking, harassment, etc.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. Holy damn it's like a trainwreck I can't stop reading...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:53 PM
Jun 2012

At least I now see firsthand the mindset that keeps the mail-order bride (from 'traditional' countries, of course) industry going...

How did I never see how many little shits there were on reddit? (I'm just a regular reader of some video game discussions, which are pretty sane)...I see from the writing and general worldview that many of these ranters are in their teens/twenties, and yeah, I had my "all-women-are-lying-evil-soulless-whore-bitches-so-fuck-'em" phase in college, so I can only hope it's something most of them will grow out of...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. so true. i regularly have conversation with people that tell me they dont know about it, dont want
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jun 2012

to know about it. and there are no problems....

i go ack and forth not wanting to know either. but, if we do not know then we hardly are in the place to suggest there is no problem.

it is an eye opener. personally, i am just seeing all this stuff myself, getting more and more concerned.

LiberalLoner

(9,762 posts)
12. K&R. This reminds me of the e-mail sent around by that AF General, required reading for
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jun 2012

staff. Said much the same things, ought to stop education for women, keep them in the homes, etc. Basically the AF is home to a lot of people who think this way, dominionists. Scary.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. dominionists. Scary.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jun 2012

i started hearing them in this area about 2003. they came down from colorado springs.

yes

scary

and yes

this is who they are, too

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
14. Probably
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:57 PM
Jun 2012

He's a regular "contributor" to Fundies Say The Darndest Things. Which is to say, his comments are often held up to laugh at.

That said, we've seen a few ultrafeminist posts that were as bad so I guess crazy comes in all flavours.

EDIT: Didn't notice the group this was from. I'll apologise and butt out.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. it is much larger than that. it is all over the net. it is not
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jun 2012

well, they do it too.

unless one does the research, they really are not in a position to make a judgment like yours. if you went out and did the research and then came back with info, i would be much more receptive.

edit: and i so get it walking into a group you are not aware of and posting. been there, done that.

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