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billh58

(6,635 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:10 PM Sep 2016

Unsafe at Any Range: Treat Guns Like the Consumer Products That They Are

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As we prepare for the next round of struggle, we should think of guns as the most dangerous products that consumers can buy in the American marketplace, and find ways to make them safer. At a minimum, we need to take the safety of guns no less seriously than we treat the risks attached to other products. Consumer-oriented safety standards, like those that apply to other products on store shelves, would save hundreds of lives.

It’s official: hand-held hair dryers can harm your health and can be dangerous to your family. On page 37636 of the 2011 Federal Register — the official record of federal agencies’ actions — the Consumer Product Safety Commission announced that, based on an alarming trend of 0.3 hair dryer-related electrocutions per year, it was increasing its mandatory minimum standards to make America’s bathrooms safe once more. And so it should: through similar CPSC actions, the number of hair-dryer electrocutions has fallen from more than 15 a year in the 1980s to its current near-zero levels, and hair dryers remain plentiful and affordable. But there’s another hand-held device that causes at least seven hundred accidental deaths a year, about 500 of the victims being children — and yet the CPSC is powerless to intervene.

You may already have guessed what that device is, but in case you haven’t, you need only look to the legal definition of consumer products. The definition is broad, covering almost anything that a consumer might use, consume, or enjoy. There are a handful of exceptions, mostly of which deal with items regulated by other agencies — aircraft, for example, or food and drugs. Buried in the middle of the list of exceptions, however, is this oblique reference: “any article which, if sold by the manufacturer, producer, or importer, would be subject to the tax imposed by section 4181 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.” If that makes you think that someone — say, the same lobbyists who convinced Congress to ignore overwhelming public support for background checks — was deliberately trying to obscure what the provision refers to, you’re right. For those few readers who do not have a handy copy of the tax code on the bookshelf, section 4181 covers firearms and ammunition.

Unlike any other dangerous consumer product, firearms and ammunition are not subject to safety regulation by another agency. The FDA controls dangerous or adulterated food and drugs, and aircraft safety is under the FAA’s jurisdiction, so one might suppose that the Bureau of “Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” would do the same for firearms, but ATF is not in the safety business for guns. Existing laws and regulations don’t include safety requirements for handguns or rifles — including assault rifles — beyond a single vague provision that requires federal firearms licensees (but not ‘private’ sellers) give buyers a lockable case or similar device. Combined with the 2005 law in which gun manufacturers persuaded Congress to exempt them from most tort lawsuits, the ordinary incentives that persuade producers to think about safety are strikingly absent in the firearms industry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-i-silber/guns-consumer-regulation_b_3174972.html

The right-wing gun lobby would have you believe that there already exists more then enough safety "regulations" for guns and their manufacture, and that guns are consumer "friendly." Nothing could be further from the truth as evidenced by appalling gun violence statistics for our country when compared to most other First World countries.

Vote for a Democrat who is not on the payroll of the right-wing gun lobby, and who will stand up to the NRA/ILA/GOA criminal cabal.
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Unsafe at Any Range: Treat Guns Like the Consumer Products That They Are (Original Post) billh58 Sep 2016 OP
The gun industry brings $15 Billion to our economy but flamin lib Sep 2016 #1
time for gun liability insurance per gun nt msongs Sep 2016 #2
THIS ^^^^ Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2016 #3
The right-wing billh58 Sep 2016 #4
Timeline Jerry442 Sep 2016 #8
ummm no melm00se Sep 2016 #10
I'm in favor of guns that are designed to make accidental discharges less likely, but... Jerry442 Sep 2016 #5
When a toddler gets their hands on billh58 Sep 2016 #6
If I seem to be an adversary, I need to work on my writing. Jerry442 Sep 2016 #7
So if I understand you billh58 Sep 2016 #9

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
1. The gun industry brings $15 Billion to our economy but
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:40 PM
Sep 2016

costs $260 billion in damages lost wages and medical care.

Do the math.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
3. THIS ^^^^
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
Sep 2016

I own a car. I am required to register it and pay for liability insurance.

The same should apply to guns.

The paranoid freaks who think gun registration means future confiscation are always free to break the law.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
4. The right-wing
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:18 PM
Sep 2016

gun culture response is that there is no "constitutional" right to own a car. To them that means that the sacred Second Amendment prohibits any and all attempts to regulate their precious.

The 4-5 right-wing SCOTUS decision that they base that assumption upon was deeply flawed (similar to Citizens United from the same panel) and subject to further interpretation from a more objective panel of unbiased Justices in the future.

Until that time we will rely on public opinion and political pressure to reel in the Republican/Libertarian corrupt influence which pollutes our legal system in the matter of gun-madness-for-profit in this country.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
8. Timeline
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:38 AM
Sep 2016

December 15, 1791 - Second Amendment ratified
June 26, 2008 - Heller v. District of Columbia decided by SCOTUS.
June 28, 2010 - McDonald v. City of Chicago decided by SCOTUS.

Amazing, we had to wait 216 years for a correct reading of the 2A.



Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
5. I'm in favor of guns that are designed to make accidental discharges less likely, but...
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 10:36 AM
Sep 2016

...it seems to me that this will only take you so far. Haven't done the research, but I suspect that most deaths and injuries caused by guns happen when the gun does exactly what a gun is designed to do.

I think another strategy would be to put the costs imposed by gun use on society onto the purchase price of weapons.

Another is to stop treating guns as religious icons. If someone is showing menacing behavior toward someone else, it's a bad thing, whether the menacer is using a gun or a claw hammer. Similarly, if someone dies as a result of negligence, it should be treated the same, whether a concrete block or a gun is involved.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
6. When a toddler gets their hands on
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:02 AM
Sep 2016

an unsecured gun and pulls the trigger with his/her thumbs with the gun pointing at their head, is the gun "doing exactly what a gun is designed to do?" Really?

When an adult "accidentally" pulls the trigger and shoots themselves or another person (family member) is the gun "doing exactly what a gun is designed to do?" Really?

Menacing behavior with a gun is the same as menacing behavior claw hammer? Really?

Your comparison of the potential violence caused by a gun as being the same as a claw hammer or a concrete block (or lawn furniture) is the same argument used by the right-wing gun lobby and its apologists to proclaim the inherent "safety" of deadly weapons. This "talking point" is right up there with, "if they didn't have a gun they would just find another way to commit suicide.

Guns are designed to kill, and they are very efficient at it. Imposing safety regulations on gun owners to reduce the obscene number of gun deaths and injuries in this country is beyond overdue thanks to the NRA/ILA/GOA death merchants for profit.

I suggest that you read the SOP of this Group before you post again.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
7. If I seem to be an adversary, I need to work on my writing.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:23 AM
Sep 2016
When a toddler gets their hands on an unsecured gun and pulls the trigger with his/her thumbs with the gun pointing at their head, is the gun "doing exactly what a gun is designed to do?" Really?

When an adult "accidentally" pulls the trigger and shoots themselves or another person (family member) is the gun "doing exactly what a gun is designed to do?" Really?


Unfortunately, that is exactly the argument you would face in a courtroom -- and would need to be prepared to respond to.

My point about claw hammers and concrete blocks is this: based on news reports I see, judges and juries respond to these cases using logic and common sense, yet when a gun is involved, it casts a mystical glow around the actors and people walk away unpunished. Seriously, would any sane person think it's OK to walk into a Toys-R-Us carrying a chainsaw? Or leave a container of pool chlorine where a toddler could reach it? Yet the gun folk think it's not legally actionable with an AR-15.

I'm way beyond you on the "death merchant" thing. I'm of the opinion that substantial dark money is being injected into the gun issues to make this country more violent, more polarized, and more vulnerable to the Donald Trumps of the world.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
9. So if I understand you
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:46 AM
Sep 2016

correctly, because our legal system has been corrupted by the right-wing gun lobby, there is nothing that we can do about gun safety? Good thing we didn't let that obvious obstacle stand in our way about slavery, a woman's right to vote, or the many other social wrongs which have been overcome throughout the history of this country.

Fortunately, many organizations and individuals feel differently and are working very hard to undo the decades of harm done to our streets and communities by the NRA et al. I, for one, want very much to be a part of the solution and DU is not the only forum where I participate in the gun control movement.

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