Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
So, if the universe is 14 billion years old, how can it be 94 billion light years wide? (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Mar 2022 OP
Weird physics Aviation Pro Mar 2022 #1
I think you mean 94 billion light years wide VMA131Marine Mar 2022 #2
Yeah-- typo, I corrected it. But, it's fascinating that you glommed on to Lincoln... TreasonousBastard Mar 2022 #5
It might not even make sense to ask what happened before the Big Bang VMA131Marine Mar 2022 #7
It doesn't make sense, but plenty of people are doing it anyway. It's... TreasonousBastard Mar 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Mar 2022 #9
Thanks! Succinct and clear explanation n/t Easterncedar Mar 2022 #11
oh oh wait, I got this! ymetca Mar 2022 #3
The same way you can be 30 years old and wear a 48 belt. Sneederbunk Mar 2022 #4
Good one MLAA Mar 2022 #6
Because it is expanding pretty much at the speed of light, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #10
We can believe it to be 94 billion light years wide taxi Mar 2022 #12

VMA131Marine

(4,136 posts)
2. I think you mean 94 billion light years wide
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:43 PM
Mar 2022

And it’s because space is expanding faster than the speed of light. This is not a violation is general relativity. Objects cannot travel through space faster than light, but two points in expanding spacetime can recede from each other faster than light. This means that as the Universe expands more there will be less of it for us to see.

More here

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Yeah-- typo, I corrected it. But, it's fascinating that you glommed on to Lincoln...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:59 PM
Mar 2022

so fast. I accidentally found him a week ago when looking for something else.

So, now, what existed before the Big Bang, and why are we here?

VMA131Marine

(4,136 posts)
7. It might not even make sense to ask what happened before the Big Bang
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:05 PM
Mar 2022

Our current understanding of physics breaks down at around 10^-44 seconds, also known as the Planck Time. Anything that happened before that is speculation.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. It doesn't make sense, but plenty of people are doing it anyway. It's...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:08 PM
Mar 2022

not sensible at all, but it seems like fun.

Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #2)

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
3. oh oh wait, I got this!
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:45 PM
Mar 2022

uh.. was it the super-expansion phase? It got very big, very fast, faster than light itself, so.. QED!

We, as a species, awoke just in time to see it all fading from view, which is even more bizarre.

Or course, we'll be stuck in this local pocket of highly condensed stuff for quite billions of years more, like an island.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,817 posts)
10. Because it is expanding pretty much at the speed of light,
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:19 PM
Mar 2022

and in 14 billion years it's been able to expand that far.

A couple of other things worth knowing: Already the Universe is so large that already more than 90% of galaxies are so far away we cannot possibly visit them. https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/universes-galaxies-unreachable/

Also, the expansion of the Universe is such that at some point every galaxy outside our local cluster will be so far away that the light from them will not reach us. Eventually, every galaxy in our local cluster will merge. At that point, far future astronomers will have no way of knowing how old the Universe is, or how large it is. At least right now we can determine both of those. Lucky us.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
12. We can believe it to be 94 billion light years wide
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:17 PM
Mar 2022

If we can only see 14 billion light years in any given direction, and if expansion theories exist that allow objects to move faster than light, then obseverable objects can exist 14 billion light years in each direction along a radius from the point of origin. If the center of the universe is 14 billion light years away in the opposite direction from other observed object along that radius, then a measurable distance of 28 billion light years exists and creates a diameter of 56 billion light years for the observable universe.

If two observable objects were perpendicular to the radius from the same point of observation, and they were measured at the maximum of 28 billion light years apart, then they would be on a radius of close to 20 billion light years from the origin, which when doubled and redoubled as before makes the observable universe a minimum of 80 billion light years wide.

I can't imagine how they came up with a ridiculous number like 94!

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Philosophy»So, if the universe is 14...