Venezuelan Socialist Party swaps God for Chavez in new prayer

[hrmjustin]

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CARACAS (Reuters) - A member of Venezuela's Socialist Party has rolled out a variation of the classic Christian "Lord's Prayer" to implore beloved late leader Hugo Chavez for protection from the evils of capitalism.

"Our Chavez who art in heaven, the earth, the sea and we delegates," red-shirted delegate Maria Estrella Uribe recited on Monday at the PSUV party Congress.

http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-socialist-party-swaps-god-chavez-prayer-202222347.html


I don't care for it at all!

[rug]

1. Stupid.

[hrmjustin]

2. Agreed!

[No Vested Interest]

3. It's really sort of laughable, although I recall that

Chavez himself had a devout side to him.
Maybe he wouldn't approve.

[hrmjustin]

4. I doubt he would have.

[bvf]

5. America the Beautiful

is based on an old English drinking song.

How is this any different?

[hrmjustin]

6. It is making fun of the Lords Prayer.

And I am not a fan of America the Beautiful.

[bvf]

7. I'm not a fan of America the Beautiful either.

My point is that this is no more offensive than injecting the name of someone's god into a song associated with unbridled merriment.

It's a two-way street.

[hrmjustin]

8. And my point is I find it offensive.

[bvf]

9. You're entitled to that, but you didn't respond to

my point.

I find it offensive that someone took a perfectly good party song and sullied it with phrases like, "God shed his grace on thee."

Looks like we have something in common.

[hrmjustin]

10. Yes you can be angry or offended by it.

I don't care for it either.

[bvf]

11. OK, thanks. n/t.

[cbayer]

12. You really have no business in this group.

Perhaps you didn't know what group you were posting in.

[bvf]

13. Are you the discussion police?

I'm here trying to learn, and perhaps educate.

[cbayer]

14. Just be aware of the statement of purpose:

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

[bvf]

15. Bring on the jury.

How does pointing out that secular elements of a culture are just as prone to conscription by the religious as the other way around violate this charter?

And again I ask you: Are you the discussion police? I realize you have a hard time making up your mind about certain things, but surely you know whether or not you possess the credentials.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

17. Saying that mentioning God in a patriotic song gives you the vapors

Is not going to go down well in the Interfaith group. This group was set up specifically as

A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.

Basically, it was set up because the Religion group was overrun with atheists sneering at religion and at believers. I could point to multiple posts in which it is expressed or implied that religious belief is a mental disease or defect. We want to get away from that sort of thing.

No, I am not "the discussion police", nor are Justin or cbayer. We just want to keep things harmonious in this little corner of DU.

[okasha]

21. Actually, Justin is the fuzz.

He's one of our hosts

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

16. You're thinking of the Star Spangled Banner

Not America the Beautiful. SSB's tune was originally for the popular British song To Anacreon in Heaven. One of the silliest things I ever read was a man saying that SSB was originally a military march: The problem with that is it's in 3/4 time, so were the troops supposed to waltz into battle?

I have always believed that America the Beautiful should be the American national anthem, not the impossible to sing (it has a range of over an octave) SSB. The official state song of Georgia is Georgia on My Mind, specifically as sung by Ray Charles. Here is Ray Charles singing America the Beautiful

[el_bryanto]

18. The Star Spangled Banner is a pretty song, and crucially for BVFs point

It's not particularly religious (God is prominent in the fourth verse but who sings it that far?). So I can see why he switched it around.

Bryant

[bvf]

19. I stand corrected. n/t

[okasha]

20. Perhaps you mean "The Star-Spangled Banner?"

The situation is different because the national anthem adapted only the tune, not the words, of the drinking song.

[hrmjustin]

22. Lord's Prayer to Hugo Chávez angers Catholic church in Venezuela

Reuters in Caracas

Venezuela’s Roman Catholic church has admonished the ruling Socialist party for rewriting the Lord’s Prayer into an ode to its beloved late leader Hugo Chávez.

“The Lord’s Prayer, the typical prayer for Christians around the world, comes from the very lips of our Lord Jesus Christ … and is therefore untouchable,” the local Catholic church said in a statement.

A party member introduced the prayer on the podium of the party congress on Monday, imploring Chávez for protection from the evils of capitalism.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/05/lords-prayer-to-hugo-chavez-angers-catholic-church-in-venezuela