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FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:01 AM Mar 2013

My own version. (a warning that there may be triggers here)

Mine is a little different and i guess it is the difference that confuses me. I wasn't sexually "assaulted" as a child, per se. But I was sexually threatened...for years. What i have been through would certainly fall under the classification of child sexual abuse. Any confusion is an embarrassment to me because i am a woman raising daughters and although i am very clear what sexual assault means regarding my concerns for them i still struggle with what it means for myself.

I have been forced into some physical activity but suggesting a forced kiss or brush is comparable to the "assault" of forced penetration is difficult for me, personally.

My first memory of "sex" being forced on me was around the age of four when a teen uncle and teen cousin forced me to look at pornography and laughed at my discomfort. Other early memories, which took place before i was in 1st grade include a circus of the bizarre as my mother forced me to stay awake, deep into the night, not long after the previous incident, so i could help her tape my father's pornographic material to our living room walls in some twisted effort to humiliate him for his regular cheating.

It was traumatic, but not "assault" when my mother had drunken sex with a man she brought home from the bar, in the same room and less than ten feet away from me. I pretended to still be asleep on the couch, where i had been while i babysat my younger siblings earlier in the evening. I was 11. I still have visceral physical reactions to the memories of this same man, weeks later, graphically discussing with his friends his fantasies of taking my virginity and them replying in vulgar terms the appeal of sex with young virgins. So many nights of caring for my siblings would end with me falling asleep where i was in the living room and being awoken by drunken and coked up people making a ruckus as the party continued at home. I can still hear the sound of their voices and the things that they said. I still feel the terror i felt when i tried so carefully not to move or breathe to loudly. I remember what it feels like to try and listen, beyond your ability to actually hear so you wouldn't miss the coming danger. I was scared and felt helpless but i wasn't "assaulted".

And i wasn't "assaulted" when my mother's boyfriend, one of the participants of the previously reported "discussion", came into my bedroom one evening, drunk and nude, and stood in my doorway, breathing heavily for what seemed like an eternity, before urinating on the stereo that was left to me a few months before, when my father had died in a car accident. After he defaced this beloved item from the one man in my life i had ever truly felt safe with, he laid down in my doorway and fell into a deep sleep. I barely breathed for a long time for fear that he would hear my breathing and once awake would have his drunken focus on me. The memory of the terror still causes my heart to race and for me to feel sick to my stomach but again, i wasn't "assaulted". After he had been there, in my doorway, for a time and i was sure his breathing was deeper and steadier i quietly...ever so quietly... slipped from my bed, my heart beating so frantically that it sounded as if it would surely be loud enough to wake him. I was terrified. I had seen the damage this man could do to a woman. I had watched him break my mother's face into a bloody pulp of busted lips, broken eye sockets and eyes bruised shut. I tiptoed across my bedroom toward my door and him and i carefully stepped over him before running to my mother in her bed. My mother was feeling less than protective and after an initial moment of fury she decided that i was the one to blame because i would not accept his apology the next day. I cleaned up his urine and i stayed in my room because my mother told me to and because i feared him still.

More years brought more of the same. A grandfather who tried to kiss and grope me. A cousin of my mother's who was caught trying to climb the stairs to my bedroom in the middle of the night and has made constant creepy and confusing statements to me when ever we happen across each other at family functions, to this day. The highly inappropriate conversations from the father of the children i babysat as i was a trapped audience in his car on rides home. A later boyfriend of my mother's who viewed me in a light that i was not accepting of or prepared to deal with and his constant pushing of boundaries and eventual forced attempts at things like kissing.

I watched this last man raped my mother. I was fully aware, at the time, that what had happened to her was, in fact, sexual assault. He sexually forced himself on her, in the midst of her attempting suicide and while she was still bleeding. She was in a "state and had tried to attack me and he stopped her. But the physical attempt of stopping her from harming me led to him raping her before i was even out of the room. I hid on the steps just out of their sight and cried, listening to make sure she was "ok".

An attempted rape by a boy from the foster/group/receiving home i was sent to as a young teen was the only time i was in danger of a "straightforward" rape scenario. My siblings and i had been removed and separated from our mother's home and in a fairly solitary act of defiance, stemming from my anger and frustration, I had cut school with a group of the kids from the home. That afternoon it was suggested that we head to one particular boy's house since his family home was near to our school. Before we got there the other kids decided they wanted to separate to do other things. I went along with the boy to his home and felt safe enough to enter his room with him because his mother was in the house and very near. As he pushed me down and tried to muscle me into a position where he could get into my clothes, I cried out for help to his mother, who i knew to be sitting just outside his bedroom. She made no effort to intervene or even call out to ask if i was alright. Fortunately, he was not a large boy and i was fighting him and he was unable to get a complete upper hand so he let me go. Again, an "assault" didn't actually occur. Fearful of this boy from then on, and knowing i would make an easy target for him during some of the group's activities, i was told by another boy, an older boy of 17 who had always been kind, not to worry. There was a function we were all supposed to go to and the home had a large van they would use to transport us. The older boy told me he would protect me during the drive and all i needed to do was sit near him and i would be alright. I did sit near him and he proceeded to lift my shirt, pull down my bra and touch me the entire 30 minutes or so we were in that van returning home. It felt like an eternity and i was sick and ashamed. I blamed myself for allowing myself to be in such positions, not once, but twice. I was 12.

Sex for me in the years since has been a very complicated thing. In my younger adult years i have been in scenarios where i felt sickened by my "participation" and I have forced myself into a severely drunken state because it was then, and only then, that i could stomach the sex that would get some man off of my back. And some men will not take disinterest well and will continue to pressure and that pressure, in my sexually active years, has always been very difficult for me to process. I have spent time detached and promiscuous and numb and vulnerable. I have always struggled with extreme discomfort over things like catcalls and un-welcomed sexual innuendo. My early adult years seemed to carry more of the same that i experienced in my childhood. Men physically forcing me to kiss them or graphically discussing their fantasies about me. A friend of a man i was dating forced his tongue into my mouth, as i tried to leave after he asked me to do specific things to him, because he wanted to know, "what he is getting". Events like this have been too numerous to list. There are a couple of instances in my adult years that are what i would more specifically label sexual assault, one involving a boyfriend at the time, that i had called during a moment of extreme grief over a very painful custody battle i was having with my ex husband. I had taken several sleeping pills and asked him to come and sit with me. I was heavily sedated when he arrived and he took that opportunity to have sex with me while i "slept".

With the couple of exceptions i mentioned, i have always had a hard time calling the things that have happened to me sexual assault. I grew up under the umbrella of some pretty extreme violence and sickness, that was consuming of so much of my energy and survival skills that my understanding of assault is defined as pretty severe. I have always been afraid that i would be maligning someone to accuse them of rape and more importantly i feared i would offend other victims by comparing my experiences to theirs. I will say though that i would no problem using the words sexual assault if my own daughters were subjected to many of the scenarios listed above. It's all very difficult and it is so heartbreaking that it is treated as nothing more than an amusing debate by so many on these boards. The consequences, even in my own experience, are so deep and lasting. I have PTSD from all the broader issues of my childhood and of course nightmares are a part of this. A good deal of them are sexual and they frighten and confuse me. The nature of them seems to bring to the surface some feelings i am not quite sure how to process and include some scenarios that strike me as a little too vivid and familiar.

I have told bits and pieces of my experiences on the subject to different people over the years but certainly never the majority of it in one place. I am sorry if any part of my story is offensive to anyone here. It is certainly not my intent. I am grateful this forum was created and although i'm not quite sure how i fit in here i felt compelled to share my own. I'm sorry for the length.

I wish you all peace.

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My own version. (a warning that there may be triggers here) (Original Post) FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 OP
I am truly sorry you experienced all of this. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #1
Thank you, sincerely. I am also sorry for the things you've endured. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #4
My only wish is that we find peace. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #5
That is understandable. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #8
I really am trying. I want to unpack all of this baggage, discard it, go on. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #10
"First and foremost ... do no harm to myself." FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #12
Indeed! I love me the most. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #13
Bravo! Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #16
That is the only thing that is acceptable. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #17
A few thoughts. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #2
I think it is part of the nature of the beast that directly leads to the self doubt and confusion. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #6
You don't need to apologize for Ilsa Mar 2013 #3
Thank you Ilsa. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #7
Your story is Ilsa Mar 2013 #18
I wish the same for you FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #23
I too had a difficult time identifying my childhood experiences Voice for Peace Mar 2013 #9
This brought tears to my eyes. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #11
I understand your reluctance to label what happened... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #14
I'm really sorry that you and your siblings weren't protected. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #20
I am so sorry. Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #15
I am beginning to see the real value of sharing. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #21
Hi Fedupwithitall! Sissyk Mar 2013 #19
Thank you Sissyk FedUpWithIt All Mar 2013 #22

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
1. I am truly sorry you experienced all of this.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:23 AM
Mar 2013

In my opinion: you fit in perfectly here because you are a survivor.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
4. Thank you, sincerely. I am also sorry for the things you've endured.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

No child should have to process these things. It is a sickness that i wish the world could heal itself of.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
5. My only wish is that we find peace.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:57 AM
Mar 2013

I have not. There is no justice for me.
It's easier for me to be angry than feel my pain.

Thank you for your kind words.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
8. That is understandable.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:07 AM
Mar 2013

I used to look at my girls and imagine how i, as a protective mother, would feel if they were experiencing the events i experienced at their ages. I would feel furious and protective.

If i could feel those things for my children, isn't it also reasonable and acceptable that i should feel those things for the little girl that i was? The little girl who did not have a furious and protective mother, but she should have had. I am furious and protective on HER behalf. And it is understandable and reasonable to feel that way. It is my job to protect her now, in any way possible. The little girl, that i was, deserves that...always has.

Be gentle with yourself.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
10. I really am trying. I want to unpack all of this baggage, discard it, go on.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:17 AM
Mar 2013

Happiness isn't only a dream that I've wished for.
I can make it happen with a few small changes in my life.
It won't happen overnight but it will happen. This time.

First and foremost ... do no harm to myself.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
13. Indeed! I love me the most.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:35 AM
Mar 2013

No one will ever hurt me or make me feel bad about myself ever again.
I've learned how to fight back.
After I left home at 17 no one ever hit me.
It's little words that I'm not willing to overlook. They hurt.


Thank you. imo: It is the only way I can continue to survive.
I will not let those who are sick inside win.
Cannot we all put the hate_away and help one another.

Thank you Skinner and all of DU who support us.

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
2. A few thoughts.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:50 AM
Mar 2013

It is true, you were assaulted sexually, a number of times. There is no need for quotes around the word assault. Many people are confused by the word, no thanks to many a politician (and sometimes laws). Not only were you assaulted, you were victimized by sexual battery.

Thank you for sharing your story. It was very moving. I hope you can find some peace here.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
6. I think it is part of the nature of the beast that directly leads to the self doubt and confusion.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
Mar 2013

It is hard to fully make sense of things some times. It is hard to view yourself and your experiences objectively, especially when things are so forcibly skewed. And for myself, this applies to far more than this particular area. The crazy and wrong have, at times, been the "norm". It is really difficult not to question yourself in that light, if that makes any sense.

Thank you for the wishes of peace. I am at a very good place in my life right now and that means so much but i needed to share, to purge somehow. It brought up some sensations i'd rather not experience but there is some healing in feeling them on ones own terms.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
3. You don't need to apologize for
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 07:53 AM
Mar 2013

telling us about anything or everything that happened to you. I hope you can find some new ways to cope, support, and acceptance in this forum.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
18. Your story is
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:27 PM
Mar 2013

a particularly brutal one. I hope my recognition of that doesn't cause you further pain.

My guess is that most of us are victimized sexually once or twice (date rape and stranger rape) and have to incorporate those traumas into fairly "normal" lives. Your life has been a series of abuses beginning with neglect. I feel for you and the daily struggle evoked by such a harsh existence. You truly have had to be strong to survive this. I wish you peace.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
23. I wish the same for you
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:28 PM
Mar 2013

I worried the opposite. I see what so many here have endured as unthinkable brutality. My heart hurts at the unknown terror of it.

My own upbringing seems tolerable in the broad sense that it was the familiar. You learn to work within. Not to suggest there weren't serious consequences or that there wasn't heightened fear and confusion and anger. I just knew the potential if that translates. There was always a lot going on so you kept your guard up. That has had an affect in the years since, i get something called psychogenic seizures when i am under heightened stress (My fight or flight response can be a pretty wild thing), but at the time that awareness offered a type of security.

I hope we all, whatever the variations, whatever the burdens, can learn to place blame squarely where the blame is due and learn to be gentle with ourselves.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
9. I too had a difficult time identifying my childhood experiences
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:11 AM
Mar 2013

even though my memories were vivid, I was never
physically overpowered or violently abused. It was subtle
and it was dark and it was dirty and it went on for years.
I loathed my body, I was numb, and I knew that
no matter how hard I tried to be a good person, deep
down I was bad, wrong, ugly, and undeserving.
I starved and scarred and burned and cut myself, I
tried to die.

It seems the long-term effects are nearly universal for
survivors of sexual abuse, whether the abuse was violent
and traumatic, or ongoing and less easy to identify, or
even in cases where the child is a "willing" participant..
there are common manifestations, lifelong impact.

I relate to so much of what you wrote, thank you.
Healing, and learning, it's taking me a lifetime.
At 60 I am feeling what most children feel toward sex.
"Ew, gross"

I had tucked those feelings far away, deep in my
bones. They're working their way to the surface,
along with the many tears. Takes a lifetime.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
11. This brought tears to my eyes.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

I have never tried to relate myself to others in this way. I guess i really needed to. I am genuinely surprised by the strength of my feelings. I am sorry for what you've endured. I'm sorry that the burdens can be so heavy and painful.

Maybe this is a way to set some of them down...finally.

Thank you for reaching out to me.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. I understand your reluctance to label what happened...
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:05 PM
Mar 2013

I have the same problem. I have shared that story here. It's not the only thing by far that happened to me in my lifetime. But, I think that was a pivotal moment and I also think it is the reason me and my siblings were put into foster care. I am not sure and the person that turned in my mom and dad has passed away so I can't ask why she did it. I know she was aware of the incident and I know we were taken shortly after that.

So, anyway I think the problem is minimization. When people that are supposed to take care of us don't take care of us and even worse blame us or beat us for crying about an incident where we were abused/teased/bullied it puts us in a mind set that we are blowing things out of proportion. But, as I read your story I couldn't help but think if it had happened in a work setting to an adult woman the man or people in question would be fired. If that didn't happen you would be able to file a claim for your employer allowing a hostile work environment. If you had developed anxiety issues because of that you would be able to get treatment for it and very likely your employer would have to foot the bill. But, as a child your situation wasn't treated as if it was a serious issue. It's very likely though if child protection had known what was going on you would have been removed from your home and for good reasons.

I know my parents didn't lift on finger or make one phone call to protect me or my siblings. Yet, I am the one that feels guilty for not protecting them or myself from the many situations we were in not just ones that were sexual abuse or assault or whatever label fits our situation. Two of my sisters were molested by their foster father I know this because they told my mom and my mom eventually told everyone. Everyone except the child protection agency. I don't think it occurred to her to file a complaint about it. Anyway that wasn't the only or last time she failed or even my dad. It's really hard to say what was the worst all of that or the daily fights that often erupted into violence. Or when we were beaten with a belt. I really don't know. All I know is my body has started to give up the fight and now I will be on medication for the rest of my life.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
20. I'm really sorry that you and your siblings weren't protected.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:47 PM
Mar 2013

It is really hard to have to fight for your own security when you're young. Especially when it's needed in defense against those who you should be able to trust.

I have been very fortunate. More than many. My own mother is supportive of me as a person and the efforts i make in my life, at this point. It's been a long journey and there are still bad times but she is really struggling to recover and in that process she tries very hard to make amends so there is some healing there. She is now able to simply hear me and that goes such a long way.

I am so sorry for you that there are still so many questions and things unanswered and left unaccounted for. It can be so hard to make sense sometimes. I am also sorry to hear about your diabetes.

Ms. Toad

(34,084 posts)
15. I am so sorry.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

One of the really hard things about sexual abuse that when it isn't physically violent, isn't traditional heterosexual penetration, wasn't at the hands of a stranger, that involved our becoming sexually aroused, or that it was at the hands of someone we loved (and may still love) then we compare ourselves to the spectre that we have been told (as recently as this past election cycle) is "real" rape - and we fall short. So what happened to us wasn't real rape; what we experienced wasn't "real" sexual abuse - for one of any number of reasons. And that is why it is so important to tell our stories.

Sexual abuse is very much a continuum. As women, it pervades our lives from the day we were born - men are socialized to see women as objects available for their sexual pleasure, and women. The pornography you were exposed to is an extreme end of that socialization, but if you look at everyday ads you will find nearly identical imagery - except that the models are little girls, or fully clothed, or disguised in other ways that prevent us from consciously recognizing what we are seeing.

Just because the sexual abuse you were subjected to didn't involve being grabbed by a stranger with a gun penetrated by a penis does not diminish the scars you carry with you from years of being subjected to unwanted imagery, touching, and more, and it doesn't make it not sexual abuse just because it doesn't fit the lines we've been fed forever about what is or is not real rape.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
21. I am beginning to see the real value of sharing.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 11:56 PM
Mar 2013

I have been deeply touched by the areas where my own experience has connected with someone else's. This stuff makes you feel so alone. Even in a life with a lot of healing and healthier relationships you can still feel so "hidden" in some ways. I have a very good husband and he is very understanding and caring but i am fully aware that he will never really be able to know large parts of me. How could he?

I think only those who have seen things from a similar perspective can truly relate. And i didn't realize this missing piece for myself until very recently. I need to relate to and i need others to relate to me.

It is helping me to contextualize things.

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