Bernie Sanders
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based on remembering 2004 and 2008 I feel Bernie Is on verge of winning In Iowa.and it could be larger win than some think.
The trend is for Bernie in final stretch just as it was for Kerry In 2004 and Obama In 2008.If you look at polls leading into iowa in 2008 obama's margain was smaller than actual vote.which was something which happened a lot In 2008 Polls In primarys underestimated Obama's numbers.
I say look at clinton.this is not a campagin which thinks it is winning In Iowa with the scorched earth campagin.
Bernie and his campagin comes off as more confident campagin.
back In 2008 Obama's crowds and support online did translate to votes.
don't forget polls show bernie is second choice of many O'Malley supporters.so if he fails to reach 15% In districts In Iowa bernie's
numbers could go up.
polls although moving in bernie's direction may still be underpolling young voters and those who are first time voters or switching to dem may not be coming up at all.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)I do worry that those supporters have a lot of members who haven't voted in the caucuses and are unclear on the process. I keep reading that people want to go and be heard but are unsure how to do so. I hope I am wrong.
roody
(10,849 posts)and we are calling all of our identified supporters with caucus info and assistance.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)by 14 points.
It's important that people who haven't participated know what to do.
From a Bernie supporter let me say thank you.
MrChuck
(279 posts)and trying not to lose my mind when I read all of the pro -Clinton media coverage designed to ruin the momentum.
It's a real emotional slog supporting a candidate like this. It's not unlike supporting then senator Obama in 2008.
Hoping against hope and just willing America to go to the polls and do the right thing.
I'll say this. If Senator Sanders wins this I won't be surprised if it's by a much larger margin than the polls indicate and that will come as a giant relief.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)what happens then will tell the tale for the future of the Democratic Party, the nation and, actually, the world.
If we lose do we tuck our tails between our legs and slink away into the night after an orgy of fingerpointing, never to be heard from again?
Or do we go back to the old days of unionism and ORGANIZE.
The fascists, and that is what they are, have spent the decades since FDR and HST working like termites to undo all of the progress made in this nation. Now they have prevailed to the extent that most of our fellow Americans believe the crap they are selling.
In actuality the only way Sanders can lose is if losing means the movement he's trying to put into motion collapses and dies the way the Establishment hopes and believes it will. It is up to individuals to work together to keep this national impetus together and growing.
If we do get beaten this time I suggest everyone involved run out and BUY copies of Alinsky's books, as well as Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here.
That'd be a good start.
if bernie loses we all lose.although I don't share your pessimestic on his chances but the only way we win is by him beating clinton.
roody
(10,849 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)stand in lines six blocks long to simply hear a candidate will not have the drive to caucus?
People who drive 150 miles round trip on a Thursday evening to sit in on a group web hosted event are somehow not committed?
Where are these memes coming from? Certainly not recent campaign history.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)I just don't understand the thinking is people in iowa who waited in lines to hear bernie or who drove all this way will suddenly not bother to show up on caucus night.
MrChuck
(279 posts)I admire the effort.
I am just not secure in my understanding of the numbers. If I was the prohibitive frontrunner, as is the former SOS (or so they would have us believe), I might have countless thousands of dedicated caucus goers sitting pretty in Iowa and not making to much of a fuss leading up to the night in question. Those are the thoughts that keep me wondering.
It's certainly not a lack of enthusiasm surrounding Senator Sanders.
roody
(10,849 posts)Their goal is to discourage you. Polls are reported to keep you from voting. Make calls for Bernie.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)swilton
(5,069 posts)It's beneficial to look at this realistically.
I think Bernie is going to win Iowa and NH - just my gut feeling about the turn-outs and momentum....But stranger things have happened.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)spending this last week going all over Iowa, reaching out to people. He's very experienced at retail politics and does it well. Hillary, not so much. I think she hopes tonight's town hall will turn things around for her, but it will likely have the opposite effect. I'm expecting this last week will be a barrage of attack ads on Bernie, and those will likely backfire, too.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Bernie wins big, LANDSLIDE BIG.
Independents, men and Millennials overwhelmingly support Bernie. Honestly, I don't see how he loses.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)My reaction to this campaign is vastly different than any other in my voting life which wasn't very optimistic.
On August 9, 2015, I sat in the Moda Center in Portland, Oregon with 28,000 screaming fans. It stunned me that all of these people were cheering very LOUDLY for the man I had been following for over a decade.
It was then that my gut said, Vic, he's going all of way! But it's only been recently that I have come to believe that it's going to be a blowout for Bernie.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Probably because our names are alike too! Maybe, kinda sorta, perhaps.
Bernie definitely has the wind at his back and major momentum going into next Monday. HE was fantastic tonight too! He's going to win Iowa, NH, Nevada ...and come close, if not win SC.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bernie clearly has the momentum going into the caucuses. That is the Holy Grail in my opinion. If you've got the winds shifting in your direction, that really helps to bring in the holdouts who wait to make a decision. Look at it this way, people who made up their mind months (or even a few weeks ago) most likely decided that Hillary was "inevitable." The Iowans who are making up their minds now, see Sanders surging and they also see his huge rallies and the enthusiasm for him. Hillary is no longer inevitable in their minds. And many of them are breaking for Bernie.
Sanders crowds are huge in Iowa. Even Independence Iowa, a town of a several thousands, had 2,000 people attend Bernie's latest rally. Compare that with Clinton's Toledo, Iowa event--a couple hundred showed. I've attended one other Clinton rally in downtown Des Moines. Maybe 350 were there. In 2007, at the same venue in Des Moines, she had at least 2,000.
I think there's some Hillary fatigue happening here. I also think the second that Sanders started winning in some Iowa polls, that sparked additional Clinton losses. The more that inevitability meme evaporates, the more vulnerable she is. Her campaign has no clear message. No message of hope. She banked it all on her "inevitability" and her experience. That's not very exciting and experience in a corrupt system is not attractive to Iowa caucus goers--who tend to be fairly liberal.
I don't think it's going to be a Bernie blowout, but I sense that he's going to win. She has a decent ground game, lot of support from the Iowa establishment and endorsements. And she does have some enthusiastic supporters and pockets of the state (mainly rural, more conservative areas) that she will win handily.
But generally speaking, when you look at the Iowa map--Sanders will win the larger cities by significant margins. Des Moines and the metro area hold 18 percent of all caucus votes in the state. That's huge. Des Moines is in Polk County, the most populous Iowa county, and this county and its many precincts almost always trend liberal. Due to an influx of younger people moving into the downtown area, it's more liberal than ever (more than 2008). Also, the larger cities (Iowa City, Ames, Cedar Falls) are college towns. Bernie has those in the bag. Bernie has also made moves in the rural/more conservative areas that Clinton won in 2008. I was really surprised by that, but he's been campaigning in Sioux City and other northwestern/western Iowa cities and towns--and he should have some good numbers there.
I also think he's got an advantage because of the caucus dynamics. We have 1680 Democratic precincts in Iowa. Each will hold their own caucus. If O'Malley doesn't reach a 15 percent viability threshold at a caucus, his voters must join another candidate camp--or sit out the race. I rarely see anyone sit out a race. They join another camp. MOM supporters will overwhelmingly gravitate to Sanders (according to the stats I've seen). MOM is polling at 5 percent in Iowa, so it is highly unlikely that he'll be viable in the overwhelming majority of precincts.
As far as those younger voters, whenever I'm in our local Bernie office--it's packed with younger voters. I couldn't even walk in there last night, it was so packed. These younger voters know what everyone is saying about them--that they won't show up and caucus. I think they're hell bent on proving everyone wrong. They've really attached themselves to Bernie and I have no doubt that they'll show up. They're out canvassing in 9 degree temps! Why would they not caucus?
I've been phone banking and am now canvassing. Oh, the stories I could tell. Great response on the phone. We're finding plenty of Sanders supporters that leave us feeling confident going into the caucuses. I'm calling in my very conservative suburb, so this is a good sign. While canvassing, I'm also getting great responses. They have me canvassing some Independents and last night I found two Republican-leaning Independents who will caucus for Bernie--because they are so disillusioned and upset about the Republican clown car. They like Bernie, don't like Clinton and decided that they wanted to help Bernie. They're that adamant against Clinton. I do find people like this (like the guy who still has his Fred Thompson bumper sticker) who may caucus for Bernie too. They're not common, but they're out there. The vast majority of Bernie supporters/caucus goers are very enthusiastic Democrats who are Progressive and very happy to see a politician who will finally serve their interests and really change things.
Also of note is that 42 percent of registered Iowa voters are Independents. There will be an untold number of Indies who show up to caucus and they will change their registration (it takes 5 minutes) and participate in the Iowa caucuses. This is standard in the Iowa caucuses. Bernie polls extremely well with Independents. Hillary does not. The last stat I saw had Hillary under 10 percent with Independents nationwide. Given that this is such a huge voting block in Iowa--and that Indies show up in big numbers in the Iowa caucuses--this bodes very well for Bernie.
I have a busy week. I was just notified that a couple of Bernie supporters are staying at our house for a few days. They wanted to help Bernie's campaign. I initially assumed that this was a couple from Iowa. They'll be canvassing day and night for Bernie. They fly in Thursday and will stay until caucus day. Turns out, they're from California. Amazing, right?
Nothing is for certain, but I think things look and feel pretty good for Bernie in Iowa.
A Quinnipiac Poll should come out this week. Their methodology is sound. That should tell us how Bernie's mo is Iowa is holding out. Also, the absolute "gold standard" of polling--the Des Moines Register Iowa Poll will be released this Saturday--two days before the caucus. Look for that.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I highly suggest you turn this into an OP friend!
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Thank you!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Can't thank you enough for taking the time to post this...
Now get back to work!
Go Bernie!
Go Berners!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Bernin4U
(812 posts)Caucusing is going to be fun as hell. Was a blast doing it for Obama, but this is going to be
Off
The
Charts.
People are going to be so hyped for Bernie, the caucus states are going to be +10 over whatever he's polling the day before.
Wish I could be there, but we'll be doing it here in WA later on.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)So you tend to be more cautious or skeptical. That being said my 69 y.old brother
thinks he's going to take it all the way to the White House. Sometimes gut feeling
can help but there's too much emotion getting in the way for me. I've gone through
hope, desire, dread, despair, glee you name it. So where is the gut?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I hate that feeling because it makes me think I'm missing something important or being naive, but its what I'm feeling honestly.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)It's hard to tell sometimes if it's just hopeful imaginings, but a blowout is very possible; so I'm making an effort not to indulge doubts and fears (always a good effort, no matter what.)
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I think he will win Nevada. On March 1st he takes Minnesota. I think in the end the primary map will look a lot like it did with Obama and Clinton with Bernie taking every state that Obama won and then some. Probably not all 50 states, he might lose a dozen or so.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)We shall see.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)And by behaving badly I mean a danger to self and others.
Sanders campaign is certainly a serious risk to take away the dream.
It's time to be very wary.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Enough to shake Hillary in her low-heeled shoes. A close loss in SC, but definitely a possible decent win there, especially if he takes all of the previous primaries and he continues to campaign as he has, which is perfectly.
After that, wins in every remaining primary, huge landslide in the GE. Massive exploding heads from all the people who think he can't win. Still.