Bernie Sanders
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1:56 PM ET, She's Still on 'we've got to get back to the center' in response to Tweety's Q. how will you deal with (those Bernie people's) talk of revolution!!! "I like competition, ideas, etc.' Responses SAMO.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)He is setting them up for Hillary.
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appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)more now as his wife Kathleen needs the Dem. establishment to win a 2016 MD congressional race.
He has poor knowledge of earlier American & western history. 'We've always been a centrist country'- hello TJ, GW, Thos. Paine, more.
Yes, re-name the show to 'Softball'....
This cracks me up-
immoderate
(20,885 posts)He said, "Changes in the United States have always been incremental." Maybe so, if you ignore the Civil War, suffrage movement, civil rights, labor movement, reproductive rights, etc.
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appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Maintain that Status Quo, And above all Don't Raise my Taxes! Reaganism on the right was revolutionary, don't we know it. At the last debate when asked about her fav. pres. she said Lincoln, fine but clearly not FDR whose 4 Freedoms Plaza in NY is where she launched her campaign. There's no way to associate or preserve the New Deal, Great Society legacies in the 'moderate', corporate system.
Lately she's promised much in every area, as a 'progressive' now?- college aide, jobs, bank reforms, helping the middle class. Just campaign talk. The Establishment is to be preserved, it's working very well for the top 10% Investor Class.
Right, the Civil War was 'incremental', like the Homestead and other strikes, Labor Mvmt., WWII effort, the Space Program and all the movements you mentioned.
*A Future of Moderation and Status Quo!*, campaign slogan.
840high
(17,196 posts)demosocialist
(184 posts)Congrats to both Bernie and Hillary!
Why does no one step up and argue with Matthews about his red-baiting?
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:06 PM - Edit history (1)
maybe, like the red scare stuff. Knowledge of earlier American and western history, 19th c. Industrial Rev. and Progressivism is unfamiliar to him I think. This country was born in revolution- hello TJ, GW, BF, Thos. Paine. Not to advocate violent actions, yet even TJ called for the US to be evaluated every 20 years to make sure democracy and principles were working.
demosocialist
(184 posts)and that is BECAUSE of the history of the United States and Bernie Sanders place in that history. I am still going to vote for HRC in the GE if she wins, mainly out of fear of the Republicans. Matthews sense and reading of all the things progressives have done for this country is weird to me. The Democratic party seems to be pushing for centrists and to get the moderate republicans, but doesn't that just destroy what historically was meant to be a Democrat after FDR? With voter participation so low shouldn't we be growing by getting new and young voters like me. The country has been ran by centrists and right leaning for decades, and not much seems to have been done (I recognize its perspective). I am poor, my family is poor and we are all educated on paper, nothing seems to have changed for my parents, myself and my siblings. The big change that I can see was for my Grandparents and FDR. Despite what Matthews says Bernie seems to be more like FDR than Hillary. Notwithstanding I think Hillary is second best choice considering both races for president. But damn I want someone who speaks up against the corporations and the warmongers and yes HOPE like I have to do with all representatives that they will be able to do something to stop it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The so-called center is way to the right of what it was in the 60s and 70s. Establishment politicians have been engaged in a sleight-of-hand, grudgingly relinquishing dollops of social progress with one hand while reeling in economic progress with the other, assuming you can/should even divide the two.
I'm not following Hillary back to the "center".