After Ben Jealous left his show, Chris Hayes said that bringing up Hillary was a Goldwater girl

[jillan]

is immature.

Ben brought it up because Goldwater fought against civil rights at a time when Bernie was fighting for civil rights. If Chris Hayes thinks that is immature, in the middle of a discussion about race - well okay then.

Seriously - have I been transported into an alternative reality? Cuz I am having a difficult time finding someone with journalistic integrity on my tv.
I'm looking for news instead I get stories about Trump's penis and snarky comments calling the man who was the President of the NAACP "immature."

Please pinch me and tell me I am dreaming and this is not reality.

[LiberalArkie]

1. Pinch

Nope you wide awake although we would prefer it to be a bad dream

[Ken Burch]

9. "Did you just have the 'Kenny Rogers dream' again?"

(Sorry..."Reno 911!" flashback...)

[LiberalArkie]

12. As a very skinny kid, so skinny I could not swim, my nightmare was

I was laying out on the beach, and a 500 lb woman in a bikini trips and falls on me. I became an adult before I would ever go to a beach and lay down on the sand.

[Ken Burch]

13. How many years of therapy did you need to work through THAT? n/t.

[LiberalArkie]

15. I think I just out grew it. I did not get up to 8% body fat until I hit around 30, as close as I

remember. at 68 now I am happily at 12% body fat. Maybe I will be normal by the time I hit 90.

[islandmkl]

31. i don't think it was the sand and water...

500-pound anything in a bikini was your issue...

[Nyan]

2. There's been a genocide against the smart on MSM.

And only the stupid are the species that survived.

[artislife]

4. *chortle

[CoffeeCat]

18. I think that's partially true

but also, what is even more sad, is that I think most of them are really pretty smart. It's so petty and silly, so we don't want to think that our entire media establishment sold out for money--but I think that's really what it is.

They just want to continue making their car payments and paying their mortgages. They've got bills to pay, just like us. It really, really doesn't take much to get someone to sell out. And being an on-air television personality pays very well and comes with lots of shiny objects (fame, parties with all of the right people, notoriety). It's a very cool job.

The people who are in those positions understand what the rules are, and they follow them. They follow them so they can continue being paid and living their lives in the matter to which they've grown accustomed.

Sad, that our entire media establishment, that used to be a watchdog against government abuse, has been collectively neutered and is no longer Progressive.

[onecaliberal]

3. Hayes and his corporate cabal are a bunch of douche bags.

[olddots]

5. turn off the TV

it only gets worse .

[jillan]

6. Definitely turning off msnbc. They are trying to lower my intelligence.

[dchill]

29. And your hope.

And your expectations. Screw 'em!

[RufusTFirefly]

7. The late MLB Commissioner Bart Giamatti understood how the MSM works...

... when he wrote

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart.

Anyone who truly believed that a corporate media outlet was on their side was living in a dream world.

It's money that matters
Hear what I say
It's money that matters
In the USA

[Qutzupalotl]

8. Hayes makes mmore than $250K a year,

and his bosses make even more, so NOBODY in the MSM wants Bernie as president. The people, on the other hand, might have a different idea.

[Hydra]

10. It's the wave of message control

Everything about this primary is just so...blatant. It's amazingly bad. "Lockstep or else! How dare you even SPEAK about the Queen?"

[Fawke Em]

14. Michigan is scaring the HELL out of the establishment.

The #FeelTheBern hashtag on Twitter is being overrun with Hillbots, conservative idiots, establishment "No You Can't" types and anti-Semitic bigots tonight.

Something is scaring these people - has to be Michigan in the wake of the heavy turnout for Bernie over the weekend.

[Hydra]

17. I still feel like there's a bomb about to drop that Team Hill knows about

They've tried desperately since SC to shut the primary down. Before that, they were holding their breath to see if there was even going to be a clear win for their team.

I hope Michigan is part of it, but I think we have something much bigger coming...

[grasswire]

21. FBI nt

[Hydra]

22. Could easily be

But there are so many skeletons in her closet, you have to wonder why the reinforced door hasn't given way yet.

[senz]

46. Maybe they want to get a decisive "win" in, before it hits?

[grasswire]

48. makes sense, doesn't it? nt

[dchill]

28. They're not worried about Hillary...

They're worried about their own credibility. Too late.

[Fawke Em]

11. Ooops

Sorry - I read that as Chris Matthews.

That Chris Hayes is saying this is worse. I guess he's turned into one of the Very Serious People.

[Kalidurga]

16. Well I really hate demographic wars, but...

A white guy told a black guy that talking about the civil rights issue and Hillary's past is immature? Whoa.

[radical noodle]

19. I thought he said immaterial rather than immature

Chris Hayes isn't actually news as much as opinion. The same with most of the other "news" programs.

[That Guy 888]

30. That's what I heard as well. IMO he should have given his guest a chance to respond. n/t

[glinda]

20. America down the Rabbit Hole....

[imari362]

23. I'm sorry but you are misstating what Chris Hayes said...

It was not that Ben Jealous bringing up Hillary's Goldwater girl days was "immature" or that Mr. Jealous was being "immature".
In fact it was either the Goldwater girl thing was "inconsequential or irrelevant".
As "immature" implies that one is being childish..in words, deeds, etc.
I don't believe that I nor Chris Hayes would ever say or even imply that about Ben Jealous.
I listen more than I watch the tv(as always) and only heard what Chris said and didn't know until now that it was after Ben Jealous had left, but I screamed out my objections(as always) to what Hayes said because their is nothing in Hillary Clintons' political life that I find "inconsequential or irrelevant" as she is (using a term from my teen years) "Sometimy".

Someone here has a term for her/campaign that I just love "Camp Weathervane"....AWESOME

[silvershadow]

24. Some of these youngsters spend too much time talking and not enough time learning. nt

[Major Hogwash]

25. Chris is irrelevant.

Nothing to add to the discussion, he declares a statement made by someone else "immature" and then pushes his glasses back on his nose.

I haven't watched him for over 2 years and my life is better for it.

[DJ13]

26. Chris has small hands

[dchill]

27. I used to respect Chris Hayes.

Marching orders at MSNBC must be seriouser than shit. I guess I should ask Ed Schultz.

[Sienna86]

32. Used to watch Chris Hayes' show every evening...

I don't know if it the hosts' personal opinion or the Comcast execs, but I no longer watch the channel. It's either non-stop Trump coverage or not providing sufficient time and facts regarding Bernie Sanders.

[Mbrow]

33. you have to wonder who they think their target

audience is or is going to be, are they going to turn into another fox news or think they are going to get younger people? Not with the lies and bullshit they're not. Well maybe with lies and bs they'll be another fox...

[Mufaddal]

34. Michael Moore hit Hayes on Twitter over this

Michael Moore Verified account @MMFlint

@chrislhayes don't u think if Hillary cites that @ 14 she heard MLK speak, it's ok 2 point out @ 16 she campaigned for Republican Goldwater?

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/707020928471830528

Hayes' lame response:

Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes

@MMFlint yeah. I just think people's politics change, thank God. And it doesn't seem that relevant to her career since.

I same "lame" because she was still "very proud" of it as of 1996, and you can say that's 20 years ago, but it's also decades past when it was acceptable to say you were proud to support a segregationist and civil rights opponent. "Very ashamed" would have been the correct response.

But Moore points out the key issue: Hillary wants to tout her past, even back to childhood, if it's convenient for her, but wants us to forget about it and just "focus on the future" whenever that past is inconvenient. Can't have it both ways.

[SoapBox]

39. Like hell...

Her career hasn't been influenced by her early years! Sheesh...she is SO Right leaning it's now seems hard for me to understand how she has a (D) next to her name.

[flamingdem]

35. I caught that too, what BS from Hayes as if he's trying to be "balanced"?

Bernie NEVER would have been working for Goldwater.

I remember Goldwater and even as a little kid I knew he was an evil shit.

Maybe Chris Hayes is just too young to get it, she is a politician before being a person with integrity. Goldwater represented opportunity.

[jillan]

41. You saw it - did he say immature? I've had a few people tell me he said something else. But

even if he did say inconsequential (?) the fact still remains that Ben Jealous was discussing issues of race with him on his show & the moment Ben left, Chris attempted to make light of what Ben said.

Because we all know, when it comes to issues of race, Chris Hayes knows more than the former head of the NAACP.

[lasttrip]

44. fwiw I thought he said "immaterial".

Peace.
LT

[jillan]

52. Now I wish I could watch it again (not really) Anyway - why didn't he say it to Ben's face instead

of saying it the moment Ben was off screen?

Very unprofessional.

[MrMickeysMom]

36. Fuck yourself, Chris ...

Yeah... that's immature, too, but it's an honest wish.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

37. I think Chris said "inconsequential".

Former court reporter here. Spent 20 years listening to people talk in court for a living and translating it into machine shorthand. I am very auditory and think he said inconsequential.

[jillan]

43. You could be right - you're not the first person that told me that. BUT -he still said it the second

Ben was off the camera to make light of Ben's argument why he supports Bernie instead of Hillary. Why didn't he say it to Ben's face ?

Chris finished the segment basically saying Ben said this - but I disagree that matters.

Whichever word was used, it was wrong and extremely unprofessional.

[senz]

49. Or possibly, "immaterial?"

Could sound like "immature."

[dana_b]

38. wow, and I was thinking about buying his book

guess I'll think again.

[SoapBox]

40. Get a Twitter account, if you don't have one!

I did it so I can give these idiots hell.

I only use it to click the "heart" and to be able to post comments.

Just gave Hayes an earful (or as much as Twitter allows!)

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrislhayes

[jillan]

42. Oh yeah - I did that last nite ;) Twitter is very important this election cycle.

[lasttrip]

45. contact him now..

https://www.facebook.com/allinwithchris/posts/605300062968356
All In with Chris Hayes started a Q&A.
56 mins ·

Chris Hayes is here to answer your questions!
Ask him anything in the comments below.
Peace.

LT

[jillan]

47. Thanks - I just did.

[senz]

50. I used to like Chris Hayes when he was host of "Up."

He seemed intelligent, caring, educated, idealistic and progressive. His Dad, iirc, is or was a cleric in one of the liberal churches, possibly Episcopal. I doubt it's entirely money that has done this to him, or if it's money-related, it would be more along the lines of career success than simple materialism. It's possible that he doesn't know as much about Hillary as we do.

Or, who knows, I could see her campaign finding ways to sweeten the pot for cooperative media people. Also, Rachel is totally in for Hillary (possibly gender loyalty) and she and Chris are very good friends.

[StandingInLeftField]

54. There's nothing "liberal" about a large part of the Episcopal Church. eom

[senz]

55. Guess you haven't heard about the schism, same sex marriages, gay priests, etc.

The hold-outs, mainly in the South, are fighting it tooth and nail. Very bitter, makes GDP look tame.

[StandingInLeftField]

56. Oh yes, I've heard

and unfortunately am directly in the middle of said schism. It is sad and is tearing two-hundred year old congregations (obviously Church of England when chartered) to pieces. A shame, but there really is no room for such bigotry in the modern Episcopal Church.

[dragonfly301]

51. MSNBC is dead to me

turned them off over a year ago. They are just a Faux News wannabe.

[oldandhappy]

53. on the Hillary wagon

Watch the young turks. Lots more fun.