Who is the lesser evil, Hillary or Jill Stein?

[Baobab]

in your opinion.

[Kip Humphrey]

1. I have never considered Jill Stein evil.

[daleanime]

2. +1

[ViseGrip]

3. Ditto

[Baobab]

4. nor I

nt

[mmonk]

24. Nor I.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

47. +1 n/t

[Mudcat]

5. A Party exists to support folks who share common values

Based on this premise, I have wonder which of those candidates best reflect Dem values... in words AND deeds

[mikehiggins]

6. Pointless question, IMHO.

I expect to see this question reappear as "Berniebots support leftist extremist over Hillary".

I know that sounds ridiculous but look at the other attacks the HRC campaign has mounted.

[TIME TO PANIC]

7. Jill Stein isn't evil.

So I guess that answers your question.

[polichick]

16. ^This^

[Else You Are Mad]

8. Honestly...

It depends on the state you live in. If you live in a Purple state, it is important to vote Hillary. In red or blue states, a Jill Stein vote is fine.

Remember, no matter how much we hate Hillary, we cannot allow a Republican in the white house.

[Maedhros]

10. I will not be coerced into voting for a candidate that does not represent my interests.

If the Democrats want my vote, they will nominate a candidate with integrity.

[restorefreedom]

11. damn frickin straight. this right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nt

[Else You Are Mad]

12. You know who represents your interests less than Hillary?..

it is whoever the GOP nominee is. If the GOP candidate gets into office, our chances of getting money out of politics is nil. That person will most likely appoint two Supreme Court Justices.

If the nominee isn't Bernie, at least with Hillary we have a chance. Unfortunately, the system is set up for only two parties so any third party candidate vote that is on your political side, is a vote for the opposition. I hate that, is how it is. It is important to realize that if a Republican is elected, our movement stands no chance of succeeding for at least 10-20 years given the fact that the Court will then have 5 new justices on it. I am not willing to chance that, and it is selfish to do so.

There is more at stake than retribution, our very movement is.

[artislife]

14. If we always fold, the never change.

We have tried it this way for how many elections now?

[Else You Are Mad]

18. it isn't folding.

Folding is handing the white house over to a republican. The only people we hurt if we don't vote DEMOCRAT is ourselves. Even if Hillary doesn't go far enough or is a warhawk, her policies are much better than any of the GOP.

Hillary won't sign a bill getting rid of Obama care, Hillary will sign a bill for a minimum wage. She probably will get us into more wars, but she isn't advocating carpet bombing.

If a Republican becomes president, we will have to start over with health care, woman's rights, LGBT rights etc 8 years from now, before we can even begin to rebuild our movement. And, that is not acceptable.

[restorefreedom]

36. whats not acceptable is rolling over

for a war mongering 1% er who isn't even waiting for a nomination to screw us over and treat us like shit.

she has indicated that she neither needs nor cares for my support in a ge.

i am only too happy to oblige.

[Else You Are Mad]

41. This isn't about me or you.

Listen, I get how awful of a candidate she is and I don't like any of her policies. But, you have no idea how bad it will be if the GOP candidate is in the white house. Once we have a Republican as president we will be stuck with that person for four years. And, given their rhetoric and introduced bills, having someone that could sign them into law is a bad thing. No amount of protesting will stop the awfulness they will make law and policy. It will be like the Bush administration on steroids. If -- and I hope to God she is NOT nominated -- Hillary is the nominee we need to ensure she is elected. Otherwise, we are all effed.

Listen to this interview with one of the initial 'leaders' of the occupy NYC movement explain why protests will mean nothing if we have a GOP president: (it is audio only):

http://adam.curry.com/enc/20160331200715_micahwhite-occupyfounder-3-protestsarentlistenedto-unlessitstothebenefitofgov-ding.mp3

[restorefreedom]

45. i am not suggesting it is about me

there are lots of serious things happening in the world. but what does one do when they view the policies of a dem to be as bad as the policies of a repub?

yes, as bad. with the execption of a moderate and ever changing "prochoice" position, hillary is actually more right than trump on many issues, possibly kasich too. cruz honestly is the only one truly to her right on everything. but sadly, i dont think he has experienced the corrupting influences of money or foreign governments to the degree that she has. no where close. so they both have a black mark in my view.

but as i have always said, when the ge rolls around i will examine my available options. if its cruz, that will definitely affect me. so we will have to see.

[artislife]

39. The gig is up.

[TransitJohn]

42. Hillary being POTUS guarantees the GOP has both houses of Congress for 6 or 8 years

and less results than now, because she has more dirt than Obama for those troglodytes to mine.

[Else You Are Mad]

44. I don't want Hillary as president...

...but if she is the nominee and we actively sabotage her campaign, we have a GOP president with a GOP Congress.

... Which, by my estimates, is far worse.

[dorkzilla]

26. I feel the same way.

If they get voted out of power for not listening to their base, maybe they'll stop being republicans in all but name?

[Maedhros]

20. There you go, trying to coerce me into voting for a war-making Wall Street crony.

It will not happen as long as there are alternatives that actually stand for the things I believe.

I've heard it all before and I'm not buying it. If the Democrats want my vote, then they can damned well give me someone worth voting for. "You will come to love Big Sister in the end" doesn't cut it.

[Else You Are Mad]

22. I am not trying to coerce you.

I am just explaining the reality of the situation. There is a difference.

[Maedhros]

23. Your reality, of your own making.

Not mine.

[ThePhilosopher04]

28. Not voting for them either so what's your point?

[Else You Are Mad]

29. The big picture is my point. nt.

[ThePhilosopher04]

31. I know what the big picture is. Neither represent it.

[Bjornsdotter]

43. The Big Picture

...is that we stop this now. If we vote "blue no matter who" nothing will ever change. I'm for change.

[RoccoR5955]

9. Jill Stein by far. n/t

[restorefreedom]

13. i have to say this is a first

i have never even seen the words evil and jill stein in the same sentence before this post.

why this particular pair? because they are the only female candidates left? just curious

[broiles]

15. No, because Jill is who alot of us Bernie supporters will vote for

if Hillary gets the nomination.

[polichick]

19. True - I'm hearing this more and more from people I know.

[restorefreedom]

35. but where is the "evil" association with stein coming from?

i am perplexed at this comparison

neither stein nor bernie has ever been called evil to my knowledge

weird....

[broiles]

37. But we know who is called evil.

[restorefreedom]

38. mm hmmmm. nt

[silvershadow]

17. Doesn't matter, Jill Stein will never be on a major party ticket. Give it up. nt

[Maedhros]

21. Unless we make the Green Party a major party. [n/t]

[silvershadow]

25. We won't. Maybe soon, though. nt

[Maedhros]

27. If the Democratic Party keeps fucking over progressives,

and keeps telling progressives to sit down, shut up and vote the way we're told, I can see it happening.

[silvershadow]

30. The party doesn't. Reality does. When progressive ideas gain mass appeal, and when

we all somehow persuade more people to vote, nothing at all will change in that direction. We aren't there yet. That's just reality. Someday soon, it appears, we will be there. I did not tell you to sit down and shut up. I told you that Jill Stein, in my opinion, will not appear on the ballot no matter how many Greens try to spread her meme over the internet. (however well intended that may or may not be, I make no judgement that way). No one knows who she is, nor will they "warm up" to her enough to keep her from being a deadly anchor on the ticket.

[Maedhros]

32. I wasn't laying this at your feet.

But the shenanigans of the DNC, the White House Chief of Staff calling us "retards", the President telling us to "eat our peas," those comments about the "professional Left" - all are designed to keep progressives quiet, afraid, and in line.

[silvershadow]

33. Don't worry, this election will be a watershed moment, for both parties. And then

you Greens (me included) will have a much stronger voice, and soon a seat at the table.

[jeepers]

34. 494 electoral votes out of 538 electorals

are up for grabs in the 43 states which allow write in candidates. Bernie could win the pres on write ins if we mounted such a campaign.

[EdwardBernays]

40. The only rule

Is to vote for who you believe in.

Negative partisanship and cynically trying to game the system has failed to produce results that anyone is happy with.

Selling out America, because you're scared of the other isn't smart, it's suicidal.

I refuse to vote for someone I think is dishonest and corrupt. That's my right and what I believe to be right. If the entire country did that America would be better overnight. Not perfect but better.

[eridani]

46. Irrelevant. Stein is not a serious candidate.

Serious candidates have GOTV operations, like the 600 people phoning and doorbelling for Kshama Sawant in one Seattle city district. Stein doesn't have that many for the whole country.