Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumYep...right on cue
Just like they have been doing for a while now...
"Bernie should drop out".
Assuming HRC gets the nomination wouldn't it be better for Sanders to go into the convention with as many delegates as he can get in order to influence the party platform and party direction?
And if this is true are not the HRC supporters really saying "fuck you" to the real Progressive wing of the Democratic Party?
A sizeable wing that they will need to overcome the GOP onslaught come November?
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Or at least the DOJ won't proceed.
I think they don't really care if the Democratic Party wins in November, just as long as control of the party doesn't change hands to a non-corporatist.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Presumably in order to shut us up.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)From what I understand the primaries are not over until both major parties have identified a clear nominee.
Well that won't likely happen until July.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)GO BERNIE!!
TDale313
(7,820 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)The FBI then has HRC arrested and with the perp walk on world wide TV. She is naturally bailed out and continues her campaigning with less of a turnout than she has now. She may win, the Republican may win, who knows. But her term in office will be spent giving depositions if she wins.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)than any Jane or John Doe, right?
Bob41213
(491 posts)the DOJ, not so much.
The problem for her is:
There is no best case scenario. No way the FBI comes out with a completely clean bill of health. They aren't going to say she did nothing wrong, nothing at all to see, she was unfairly treated in the media, she's completely innocent.
The FBI report will have damaging info in it. I'm willing to bet the report gets leaked in full or in part. My guess is it says there are these issues but we don't have enough to proceed (that said, I don't really see many FBI reports so it's pure speculation).
Other stuff is dragging on: the FOIA lawsuits (sounds like 30+ suits), the Guccifer trial will be in September. Did they recover any more emails that get to be released?
Did I mention this is going to drag on and there is going to be more stuff coming out?
And of course this ignores the possibility they may recommend an indictment. If they recommend an indictment and the DOJ ignores it, who the fuck knows what goes down.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)Of course there are those who want her because it's good for business.
But the vast majority are simply fans who mostly care about seeing their star win.
Like KISS fans, who felt smitten year after year, because KISS was being overlooked by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for so many years. Not that even they really believed that KISS was actually one of the best bands ever, it was all about the injustice of having to wait so long when it should have been their turn years ago.
But Bernie comes along, and he's like a political Jimi Hendrix. People hear him, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO LISTEN, and get blown away. Jimi doesn't go to the HOF immediately (those spots are reserved for the "founding fathers" , but he does go as soon as it makes sense. No waiting 3 decades.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Any scolders, just don't bother, those things go right to full ignore.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)This is quite the year for change in our political system. I hope it's the death knell for our corrupt system as we know it.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And the Clintons have been saying that for decades. And yet we're just supposed to get in line now cause Party Unity. You can't treat nearly half the party this way and expect their support. I'm in California. What I do in the general likely makes no difference. If she's struggling here it's already lost. But she and her supporters are doing their best to alienate a huge number of voters they're gonna desperately need in Nov. And anyone who thinks the General- particularly against Trump- will be a cakewalk has not been paying attention.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)He will get a hold of the transcripts and release them.
This country is ripe for a fascist like him.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Trump is just a symptom, not the actual disease.
Greed is the actual problem in a society that is more and more like a "Gordon Gecko" pastiche of itself.
Time may be running out for us, and the water is rising...
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)They think they don't need us and have stated it several times. They act like we are that fringe group who supports that fringe candidate...Bull shit...surprises just might come their way.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)We're not the fringe.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)But they wouldn't want that.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...I believe the number of registered Democrats would increase.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)What's new is we're not going to settle for the supposed lesser evil because it's become impossible to tell who that might be.
No one has to settle for a candidate that makes them cringe, brings mountains of baggage and promises to be all drama all the time.
Bernie is honest and I know he's on my side...I will never vote lesser evil again.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)But if they are on the winning side, then we need to just join and keep quiet.
KPN
(15,646 posts)But keep in mind that would require a fair measure maturity, objectivity and diplomacy on their part. We shall see.
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)However, for instance, I'm 59 and financially set.
Many of us support Bernie and have strong Progressive values.
Lumping us all in is not good.
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)I totally get it.
I'm pissed off also.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)new? They've been saying that intermittently for months. And,they couldn't care less about the rest of us except as a means to an end.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)the longer Bernie stays in the race, the higher his poll numbers go and the lower the anointed one's go. Ergo, it gets harder to sell the fallacy that she's inevitable. Fear motivates them. She's never going to win the GE and I'd be willing to bet they'd rather she lose than give Sanders any say in policy-making.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...then that would be pathetic.
Of course they will blame us rather than look in the mirror or at their candidate's extremely low positive polling. People hate her. I think it borders on irrational at times especially from the right considering she is more aligned with them.
RussBLib
(9,020 posts)....and I hope Hillary stays there, but I'm skeptical.
I still support Bernie, but will certainly vote for Hillary in the General.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)She knows where her bread is buttered. Everything she's saying now will be forgotten if she gets in the WH.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Sanders' supporters however this plays out. After months of sneering, belittling, and acting as if we were just a bunch of angry and/or clueless hipsters whining for free college and unicorns, at the convention Hillary finally gets to cash in the superdelegates she bought (with money laundered through the "Victory Fund" , and she is officially nominated. Big whoop. Now what? After trashing progressives for the whole campaign will she figure out she actually needs us to win? If so, how will she get us back? I expect her to pay lip service to progressive ideals but I doubt many people believe she intends to actually do a damn thing. Or will she just count on fear of a Trump presidency to get progressives and independents to vote for her?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)so the party can become unified.
No one seemed to think it odd that the onus for "unifying the party" is being placed on Bernie rather than Hillary. I thought that was Job One for the nominee.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...when you factor in independents he beats her.
But yeah...they can't stop going after Sanders. Ugly.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)May we please keep the one running a close second around, especially as he polls better in head to head match-ups against Trump and Cruz, and can ethically raise his own funding? Pretty please?