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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:46 PM Apr 2016

Why Bernie should go all the way to the Convention:

Bernie is carrying OUR mandate, and has won the right to present it on the stage at the Democratic Convention.
Bernie is a charismatic figurehead, and a believer in The Movement,
but The Movement started before Bernie decided to run for President,
and will continue whether he is elected or not.

The Middle/Working Class is in an ever growing revolt against the Establishment/Clinton/Big Money take over of the Working Man's Party. As a figurehead and spokesman, Bernie helped grow The Movement by putting our issues in the face of the Country, The Democratic Plutocrats, and The World.

It is important to keep up the fight, with or without Bernie.
We must make our voices heard at the convention, and influence the Party Platform as much as possible. WE must let them know we are watching, and WILL hold the Party accountable.

There are many issues we must continue to fight for:

*Getting rid of Citizen's United and SuperPacs

*Spotlighting Corrupt politicians bought by Corporate Interests

*Breaking up the "Too Big to Fail" Banks

*Trade Deals that only enrich the already rich and cost Working Americans their jobs.

*Raising the CAP on FICA deductions to protect Social Security (any trial balloons about raising the retirement age or reducing SS MUST be met with an uproar)

*A "Speculation Tax" on Wall Street that would be dedicated to Tuition FREE Public Universities, and pay down student loans

*Medicare for ALL, and a revamping of Medicare to reduce out-of-pocket expenses.

*Returning to a Pre-Reagan Progressive Tax Schedule (more equitable wealth distribution)

*Capital Gains taxed as income

*Closing tax loopholes and off shore tax cheat havens

*Getting rid of Private-For Profit Prisons

*Reducing our Prison population, and addressing the Racist courts that fill them

*Legalizing Marijuana

*A Peaceful approach to a solution in the Middle east

*Protecting and expanding Women's Rights. Equal Pay for Equal Work

*Protecting our Environment, addressing Global Climate Change

We must carry these issues (and others) to The Convention.
We must be unified to make our voices heard,
and we must continue the fight after this convention.

Bernie and The Movement has done far, FAR better than I ever expected. It resonates with Americans, and The World. Wealth Disparity is a HUGE, all encompassing issue. Bernie rang the bell, and rang it loudly.
Win or Lose, The Movement is STILL about us.
Keep the Faith.
I will.


In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be[font size=3] established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]


Please note that the above are stipulated as Basic Human RIGHTS to be protected by our government,
and NOT as COMMODITIES to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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Why Bernie should go all the way to the Convention: (Original Post) bvar22 Apr 2016 OP
If Bernie and we want to have a say in picking HRC's successor as lead candidate we sure should. leveymg Apr 2016 #1
I fear the report may say Insufficient Evidence, sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #3
I don't think Guccifer was extradited for shits and giggles. winter is coming Apr 2016 #5
That's the thing about a case with an established evidence trail like this one leveymg Apr 2016 #15
Recommended, and very well put, bvar. guillaumeb Apr 2016 #2
I want to correct one thing.... basselope Apr 2016 #4
Agreed. We lost a battle but the war continues. libdem4life Apr 2016 #6
Thank you, thank you. You said what I wish I could say as well as you. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #7
If the Republicans win in November, bvar22 Apr 2016 #8
The hubris is astounding. They want to disparage us and then demand we bow to their rhett o rick Apr 2016 #18
For all their claiming to be realists vs. us LiberalElite Apr 2016 #17
I agree, but for some reason, the leader of this group wants to end Sanders advocacy here at DU Dragonfli Apr 2016 #9
I've been here for some time and this site has not called a primary for anyone. The candidates shraby Apr 2016 #10
They have done so every time! However, thus far they waited 'till the primary ended NOT this time Dragonfli Apr 2016 #11
This primary is NOT over. And I wish you wouldn't feed that 'meme.' Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #13
I'm not the one spreading the meme, I protested the calls to end primary discussion here! Dragonfli Apr 2016 #14
And he will go all the way to the convention! liberalnarb Apr 2016 #12
Adding specifically: Ban fracking. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #16
Thank You. bvar22 Apr 2016 #19

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. If Bernie and we want to have a say in picking HRC's successor as lead candidate we sure should.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Here's why: Comey is not going to exonerate Hillary. However, I also think an actual Indictment is unlikely. The more likely scenario is that the FBI Report finds that Hillary violated the terms of her signed classified information agreement. That should be it - she'll release her delegates and the party poohbahs determine at the Convention who to appoint them to. The AG will run out the clock, and Obama will pardon her just as Bill pardoned his disgraced CIA Director John Deutch.

Everyone from the President down should be really pissed at her for putting us through this.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
5. I don't think Guccifer was extradited for shits and giggles.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, I expect the DOJ will be pressured into wimping out, but I expect the FBI will recommend charges.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. That's the thing about a case with an established evidence trail like this one
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

There is no interpretation, and hence, no insufficient evidence. A prima facie case. She's guilty right on the face of it because the government doesn't have to prove either intent to do harm to US national security or that she actually caused harm. The statute she could be convicted of is referenced in her security agreement, 18 USC Sec 793 (e) and (f), and it is really a draconian law. She could have just left classified materials on a bar stool and she'd be facing 10 years in Leavenworth.

She's not going to be the Democratic candidate for President. That's probably already been picked, and it won't be Joe Biden who has health issues. Think someone who's closer in demographics to Hillary but whose public politics more matches Sanders. Who would that be who might be able to pull Humpty Dumpty back together again?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Recommended, and very well put, bvar.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Nice caption under the Wellstone picture. There are many who agree with you.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
4. I want to correct one thing....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

"Capital Gains taxed as income "

Let's call this what is was traditionally called. UNEARNED INCOME.

Capital Gains makes it sounds so much more important than what it is.. money making money. Its unearned income.

(BTW.. I say this as someone who currently gets most of their income this way.. so, yeah, I'm shooting myself in the foot)

But, it is what it is.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. Agreed. We lost a battle but the war continues.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

The one that counts ..here in the US. I just hope and pray he stays the course. Pretty sure he will. I'm in and a whole lot of people have been awakened. .. the genie won't go back in the bottle.

Revolutions happen in stages. OWS started it up for this generation and Bernie has provided national leadership and a framework.

It's already happening down ticket. New candidates challenging the Established disorder and discontent.

It's been said that HRC is the best candidate for the system we have now. Bernie for the system we need.

It's not really political, although it must play out on that stage. The Social Order is evolving.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. Thank you, thank you. You said what I wish I could say as well as you.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

What the Clinton fans have no concept of is that the movement is fighting for our rights to be free and live a decent life. They are fighting to get a personality elected. And when she is gone, they will look for another personality.

If Clinton gets the nomination she will have a hard time against Trump. Her fans will be desperate to find a scapegoat. They are already laying the ground work to blame Sen Sanders for not bowing out and groveling before Clinton. They don't understand that unlike them, we don't grovel.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. If the Republicans win in November,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

I blame THEM (Hillary supporters) for insisting on nominating a candidate with historically HIGH negatives, and smaller poll margins against the Republicans than Sanders.
That doesn't seem very smart to me.

The SMART thing to do is support the guy with the best chance of winning in November but what do I know?
I've only been politically active for 55 years, and a registered Democrat since 1967.

Also not very smart is the way the Hillary crowd is going out of their way to romance the Sanders Democrats and Independents over to Hillary's side by taunting, insulting, bullying, abusing, and ridiculing them like they won't be needing them or me in November.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. The hubris is astounding. They want to disparage us and then demand we bow to their
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

idol. We warn them but they don't listen. Since they are ok with blindly following they think we will also. We never have and never will. It didn't work for them in 2000 and it won't work again.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
9. I agree, but for some reason, the leader of this group wants to end Sanders advocacy here at DU
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016
And has asked Skinner to call the primary for Hillary, once that happens, we either tow the line for Hillary or are asked to leave. I have seen this movie before, and I know the script even if the one calling for the end of primary discussion has not.

There was some halfhearted rationalization about how asking Skinner to turn the site into yet another Blue Nation Review Site because people would be nice to each other by circling the wagon around Clinton. That was the reasoning at least.

I suppose ignoring the truth and defending and repeating Hillary's lies, or not posting at all, will grant some a bit of peace
but will help create actual real war, involving real blood, by making this a Hillary advocate only site.
Costing him public view of advocacy for him in the process. He gets so few outlets as it is, we were doing our part!

The truth is, once he pulls that trigger, it will only be about circling the wagons around Hillary.
If anybody refuses to defend her against her bad actions or policies they will promptly be PPR'd.
One will not be required to repeat and pretend to believe Hillary lies, but will be require to be silent regarding them
Or be PPR'd


DU died today and I bid it farewell!

Had they waited until after the primary I could understand,
I would, as always, have refrained from criticizing the front runner (whomever it turned out to be)
but such is not the case and Bernie will not get any public help from here out to lurkers and readers anymore
even if and though the primary is still ongoing.


This is merely a way to turn off anything not Hilary.
No matter what they pretend it will mean.
Or how it is rationalized.
It is what it is.

Excellent post by the way! I am copying and pasting it into a word document so that I may read it after I am gone.
I will be doing the same with some of my journal entries as well as with some of the best journal entries of others.
(no one need fear plagiarism, I prefer my own pen to stealing the voice of others because only I can express myself)

shraby

(21,946 posts)
10. I've been here for some time and this site has not called a primary for anyone. The candidates
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

duke it out until one wins then we start backing the Dem candidate for president.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
11. They have done so every time! However, thus far they waited 'till the primary ended NOT this time
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016
Now, there have been multiple posts demanding/expecting "call it Skinner" - meaning call the primary (for Clinton, unless you think they mean for Bernie, but I doubt that)

This is a new thing, likely due to the site admins taking an early and clear side in the primary fight.
You can pretend this is false, but perhaps you are missing the multiple posts demanding this new change.

I am fine switching mode AFTER the primary is over, but not before as is being engineered now, even with the endorsement of the Sanders group leader also joining the chorus to "call it".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511793397

Had they waited until after the primary I could understand,
I would, as always, have refrained from criticizing the front runner (whomever it turned out to be)
but such is not the case and Bernie will not get any public help from here out to lurkers and readers anymore
even if and though the primary is still ongoing.


I am not fine with calling anything before he primary has ended!

I am busy cutting and pasting my journal entries into word documents, so don't take it personally, but I don't want to take the time, or be distracted from doing so before logging permanently out rather than face the disgrace of being tomb stoned.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
13. This primary is NOT over. And I wish you wouldn't feed that 'meme.'
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

It is a 'meme' designed to screw Sanders in California, and in the states between now and then. It is being repeated ad nauseum by the Corrupt Media and by Clinton's surrogates, paid advocates and all the Clinton supporters here at DU.

It is false. Clinton netted only 30 or fewer delegates in NY. Sanders won almost all the counties, which may mean more delegates for him. Sanders did better in NY than Obama, even with all the vote suppression. And Clinton has a long way to go to achieve a decisive number of delegates, with California (500+ delegates) looming.

I don't think Clinton is going to make it. I think it's going to be a contested convention. And I think that Clinton's unprecedented negative numbers in poll after poll, on issues like trustworthiness and favorability, and Bernie's very high numbers in those polls, and Bernie's high numbers in matchups with Republicans (much better than Clinton's), are going to be an important issue at the convention. Another important issue: Bernie's high numbers with independents, who comprise 40% of the U.S. electorate; Clinton's inability to draw independents and young voters. These facts are nearly fatal to her candidacy.

It is very unfortunate that so many Democratic primaries are closed, because this has hidden Clinton's vulnerability in the GE. She wrapped up a lot of early voters before anyone knew there was another candidate. She did this in combination with deliberate or just acquiescent massive voter suppression in AZ and NY and probably elsewhere, including voter purges, long polling place lines, no remedy for voters purged from the rolls without their knowledge or consent, and inconvenient or prohibitive times for workers and the poor. She is a rigged candidate in many respects. And time is not on her side.

California is a semi-open primary. Voters who register "No party preference"** can vote in the Dem primary. This will favor Sanders (i.e., independent voters). The large Latino population will favor Sanders (they're 50/50 right now, but I'm sure Sanders will continuing trending up with Latinos). Sanders has brought a huge Clinton lead down to only 6% in the last few weeks. California voters tend to use computers and tend to be well informed. The early voters have had time to get informed.

And the CA electorate is leftist. Continual large Dem majorities in both houses of the state legislature for it seems like forever. Gov. Jerry Brown has not endorsed Clinton. Nor has Nancy Pelosi (who recently praised Sanders). We have our Corporate Dem Establishment like everywhere else, but California voters don't like to be herded. And our Election Day voting system is one of the best.

If our electorate is able to repel the pounding propaganda that "the primary is over," Sanders will win here like he did in Washington state (a big win). It might even help to have pissed off voters who are being told once again that their vote doesn't count in a presidential primary.

Anyway, please try to stop spreading this mournful tone. It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. I'm not the one spreading the meme, I protested the calls to end primary discussion here!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016
See for yourself


Busy copying and pasting my favorite journal entries before the FUCKED UP hammer drops that will end primary discussion here even though it is far from over! Once that happens, I will refuse to stop discussing the primary and get banned, I am getting my articles off site before that happens. I also intend to leave before being banned as a matter of pride.

AND you missed the part where Autumn joined the chorus of voices calling for Skinner to "call it" and thus end primary debate, meaning General election mode where we are expected to circle the wagons around Clinton, that was the final insult.

Her, one of our own, someone I had the highest respect for for a decade, joining that chorus. that, that was the final nail!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1793397

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Thank You.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:28 AM
Apr 2016

I penned the list off the top of my head, and I'm sure I left out a few major issues.....NONE of which will be important to a Clinton administration.

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