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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:37 PM Jun 2015

Why She Supports Bernie Sanders!



Did anyone ever call Dick Cheney or Bush 'radical'?

I agree with her.

Sick and tired of honest politicians being called names, while lying, cheating, war criminals, and Wall St criminals are treated as if they were normal.

That's a primary reason why I am supporting Bernie also. He is honest!



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Why She Supports Bernie Sanders! (Original Post) sabrina 1 Jun 2015 OP
Can't say this enough. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #1
Me, neither. The effect of an honest person in a political debate is waaaaay Nay Jun 2015 #30
The revolution is starting to take on the appearance of a tsunami. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #2
The youth give me hope, and energy. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #3
Me too. They are energized and willing to get out and do something about the awful state of this sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #9
It made my day, thanks for posting. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #11
Well said, TM99 Jun 2015 #4
You said it, TM99- radical change, in the 'right' direction. Love this supporter & sign! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #61
We've been conditioned to think that politicians lying is normal and acceptable. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #5
One of the best posts ever. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #6
There's going to be a sizeable youth vote for Bernie. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #7
No doubt about that. There already is. They were the reason for OWS. They are informed, they are sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #8
K & Bounce BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #10
Honesty is not for sale. Bernie KNOWS that if you take millions from the wealthy, they will sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #12
The amount of money spent on an election cycle in the US is obscene. cui bono Jun 2015 #15
Yes, definitely. You'd have to be nuts not to realize that they money they give to politicians is sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #20
.... madfloridian Jun 2015 #13
... glinda Jun 2015 #14
That's awesome. cui bono Jun 2015 #16
I would like to remind everyone passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #17
Yes, Bernie has said this himself. He said he knows that no president, no matter how good, can do sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author underthematrix Jun 2015 #24
You are calling Sanders a liar in this group? I was one of that army of supporters. There was no sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #26
Worse than ignoring us hootinholler Jun 2015 #41
Hmm... kenfrequed Jun 2015 #48
I remember that. It was a shock frankly. With many more to come regarding this president's sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #52
Yes, he did. And people remember those things. They do not want the Left in this party sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #51
No lie marym625 Jun 2015 #35
Comfortable walking shoes ring any bells? frylock Jun 2015 #43
I don't mind polite arguments that I may not agree with, but you didn't provide and proof and rhett o rick Jun 2015 #62
Other have called you out but I have to add LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #66
Run, Bernie supporters, RUN for Congress! Dems to Win Jun 2015 #29
he makes very persuasive arguments passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #70
Word! libodem Jun 2015 #18
If her support is this ardent when her motivation is still negative Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #21
I'm sure it will be as ardent. Young people are way more aware of the state of this country sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #23
I noticed I nice metaphor here chknltl Jun 2015 #22
I heard that over and over at the Pride Festival Kalidurga Jun 2015 #25
Good to know. The more people get to know him, see his long consistent record on the issues, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #27
Where I was standing at the Chicago Pride parade, marym625 Jun 2015 #33
People know who their allies have been, when times were difficult, they are not impressed sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #44
It was too wonderful for words marym625 Jun 2015 #45
BOOM! Too bad truth is not what most in power are seeking to support. merrily Jun 2015 #28
Goddess, I love Millennials! Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #31
+1 L0oniX Jun 2015 #40
K&R marym625 Jun 2015 #32
Kicked Enthusiast Jun 2015 #34
I HOPE Bernie's team is FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #36
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. Martin Eden Jun 2015 #37
yes! retrowire Jun 2015 #38
He is very inspiring, he is talking about the issues that matter to people, especially young people sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #46
K & R L0oniX Jun 2015 #39
K&R "What good is it to gain the world but lose your soul?" nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #42
K&R suffragette Jun 2015 #47
And when you tell people the truth sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #49
I hope young people flock to his cause. LWolf Jun 2015 #50
They ARE flocking to him. THEY are the main group driving his campaign all over Social Media sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #54
I can't tell you LWolf Jun 2015 #58
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #53
K&R! blackspade Jun 2015 #55
Oh me of little faith... Utopian Leftist Jun 2015 #56
The kids get it d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #57
They will go to the polls. They are among the most active Bernie supporters all over sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #60
I hope so d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #64
Marijuana issues are on the ballot... druidity33 Jun 2015 #65
This photo silenttigersong Jun 2015 #59
K & R. Love it! #youthforBernie. So pleased & proud! Their future's at stake bigtime- appalachiablue Jun 2015 #63
K&R JEB Jun 2015 #67
K & R!!! Thespian2 Jun 2015 #68
I can remember Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #69
Yes, crooks and liars is what most of them are now. Not all, but it's a relative few who are not. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #71

Nay

(12,051 posts)
30. Me, neither. The effect of an honest person in a political debate is waaaaay
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jun 2015

underestimated, IMHO. Considering the political bullshit and waffling we've seen the past 30 years, an honest, plain-speaking guy like Bernie is nothing less than an earthquake that shakes apart all the bullshit.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. Me too. They are energized and willing to get out and do something about the awful state of this
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jun 2015

nation. They needed a voice and they are finding it in Bernie.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
4. Well said,
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

and I agree.

Growing up no one who knew me from family or friends would have ever described me as a radical. And yet, today, the candidate I most support is considered the biggest radical of them all!

Damn this country's political spectrum and landscape has sure changed....radically!

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
61. You said it, TM99- radical change, in the 'right' direction. Love this supporter & sign!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

Not keeping score, but notice Hillary endorsements here like Corey Bain Capitol Booker, no surprise. The people are behind Bernie and I'd like to see a few more notables esp. minority. And that will come I know.

Love your Panda, adorable!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
5. We've been conditioned to think that politicians lying is normal and acceptable.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

That's not what we want, but it's what has been. I want that to change and hold politicians accountable for their lies. I want their lies challenged in real time, to their smarmy faces, and don't stop until they give you a straight answer.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. There's going to be a sizeable youth vote for Bernie.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary has nothing to offer them. And the youth are less tuned in to TV, and more social media savvy, where Bernie is dominating Hillary. Her M$M efforts will cost a lot of money, and completely miss the targeted group. And I think Bernie will do better P2P with the kids...Hillary is only comfortable in heavily scripted appearances with the 1%.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. No doubt about that. There already is. They were the reason for OWS. They are informed, they are
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jun 2015

ready for action, they are working for Bernie on Social Media more joining the 'revolution' every day.

There is no doubt that Bernie will get the youth vote. They have not been conditioned to accepting the obvious lies we are told, and as you say, they don't watch the Corporate Media for news.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Honesty is not for sale. Bernie KNOWS that if you take millions from the wealthy, they will
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jun 2015

want something in return. This should be a major issue in this election. And I think it will be thanks to Bernie.

People need to know how much money our politicians get from wealthy donors and then think about who they really represent.

All of them should be doing what Bernie is doing.

I do not believe anyone who says 'I want to end CU' while taking billions from Wall St. It just doesn't add up.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
15. The amount of money spent on an election cycle in the US is obscene.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:27 AM
Jun 2015

And if they will spend that much money to get someone in office you know the amount they hope to protect or generate from it is even more so.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Yes, definitely. You'd have to be nuts not to realize that they money they give to politicians is
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jun 2015

a bribe. They definitely expect a lot in return.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
17. I would like to remind everyone
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:38 AM
Jun 2015

that a President cannot do everything by himself(herself)...and that as much as Bernie wants to, he may not accomplish all his goals.

but, he will surely try! And that to me, is worth my vote, and my full support, and my respect.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. Yes, Bernie has said this himself. He said he knows that no president, no matter how good, can do
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jun 2015

much to change things unless MILLIONS of people are with him. That is why, he says, he is not just running for President, he wants to start a political revolution made up of millions of Americans because, he says, IF the people unite against the system as it is now right now, they cannot lose.

He also mentioned how Obama had an army of supporters ready to help him, but never called them once elected. He says he will not make that mistake.

So yes, I would worry about him being alone once he got to the WH and I think he is telling us something he knows from his years of watching it all in DC. He is saying that we DO have the power, once we are united. Not to let them have us believe that it is no use trying, because, he says, that is what they want us to believe.

What they fear most is that the people, all of the people, will unite against them. And that he says, is one of his main goals in running in this election.

Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #19)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. You are calling Sanders a liar in this group? I was one of that army of supporters. There was no
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jun 2015

effort to mobilize the huge numbers of supporters on major issues, and that is a fact and a known fact. Please to not come to this group and call a man who has never been caught in a lie.

Show me the organization that was formed, that we all were waiting for, to help this president FORCE eg, Single Payer, which he supported in his campaign. Or any other issue where organized support from millions of people could have made the difference. THIS has been an issue for years now. Sorry you missed it.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
41. Worse than ignoring us
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

A certain chief of staff made some rather unfortunate comments about our mental health.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
48. Hmm...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah, I didn't wait for Rahm-bo to insult us. When I heard president Obama selected him to be his chief of staff I almost punched a hole in the wall.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. I remember that. It was a shock frankly. With many more to come regarding this president's
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jun 2015

cabinet appointments.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. Yes, he did. And people remember those things. They do not want the Left in this party
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

other than to get them into power. Then they think they can dismiss those who put them where they are. That worked for a short time, but I hope they are noticing, it isn't working so well anymore.

They are in for a shock I think, their policies have greatly harmed this country and much as they, arrogant and elitist as they are, think the people are stupid, that is far from the truth.

It just took a while to figure out what had gone wrong with this country.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
35. No lie
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

And your edit was completely unnecessary since the main part was left in.

Great block TM99! Thank you!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
62. I don't mind polite arguments that I may not agree with, but you didn't provide and proof and
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jun 2015

of course calling Sen Sanders a liar is just inflammatory. It appears to me that decent discussion isn't your goal here. Go find somewhere they might appreciate your attitude.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
66. Other have called you out but I have to add
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

How is this a lie?

President Obama missed an historical opportunity to rally that active liberal branch, the ones that pounded the pavement for him, to help create a wave of hope and change. Most Americans when you ask them about specific viewpoints reveal they are actually more liberal than the corporate media and the Washington bubble try to portray. So there was a huuuuuuuuge opportunity to use the base he had already established with the left and expand it. There have been few great orator Presidents. FDR and JFK were also exceptional. FDR used the bully pulpit to cow his enemies and champion The New Deal. JFK successfully established the Peace Corps and championed public service, and pushed through the first moon landing.

The time was ripe for a transformative shift. All the US needed was a great orator in leadership to galvanize those moderates, the uninformed, the dormant activists. There was no call. Once the election was over, Obama rarely gave rousing speeches anymore. It became only about enraging his base by appointing establishment insiders and Republicans and in press conferences he, or his appointees, sneered at his own base that got him elected in the primaries.

They slowly but surely ostricized those who could have made up an army of support for progressive changes. Single Payer, Gitmo, and finance reform of elections. If anyone could rally support and explain the benefits to the population of tackling these issues it was Obama and his incredible gift of the gab. But it seemed from the get go that he was more interested in ensconcing himself into the Washington establishment and desparately did NOT want to be seen as FOX News was portraying him...as an outside agitator and radical. When at the time (and still) this is exactly what was needed.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
29. Run, Bernie supporters, RUN for Congress!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:49 AM
Jun 2015

We need more than Bernie as President with an army of supporters. We need lots of Bernie supporters elected to Congress!

If we're going to have a political revolution, I hope that we give people more than just the top of the ticket to vote for. I'd like to see a Bernie supporter running in every congressional district and senate seat. At least we'd have the possibility of some real change if we could pull off a victory for Bernie and a couple of hundred congressmembers.

If the young people for Bernie are 25 years old or more, they can run for office. I hope that encouraging them to run becomes a part of the Bernie campaign.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. If her support is this ardent when her motivation is still negative
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:51 AM
Jun 2015

("I don't want to live in a country where&quot , I am curious how fired up she will be once she starts expressing positive motivations (closing tax loopholes, eliminating unlimited campaign spending, upholding civil rights, you name them).

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. I'm sure it will be as ardent. Young people are way more aware of the state of this country
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:09 AM
Jun 2015

than the older generation. For one thing, they do not use the Corporate Media for their news, they get it online from many sources and have been for a long time.

Isn't everyone's motivation the same as hers? I don't believe it's negative, it is pointing out a negative which she wants to fix.

If the country was doing fine, none of us would be so desperate to find a candidate we can support and trust to start the enormous job of reversing policies that have been so harmful to this country.

I am motivated by these negative policies and politicians but feel very positive now that we have a really good choice finally.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
22. I noticed I nice metaphor here
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:05 AM
Jun 2015

(Well I think so at any rate):
Oftentimes the old amateur photographer in me criticizes a photo, (I really need to stop doing this). One thing I would have done differently is added a bit more light to the girl's face. Then this thought occurred to me: Maybe it's a metaphor for all youth today being in a political shadow. It's not like pollsters are calling the youth of America on their cell phones and asking for their opinions. I have a sneaky hunch that this particular demographic is going to come out of the 'shadows' and we Sanders supporters are about to get some fairly substantial support! (If my memory is accurate, both Thom Hartmann and Senator Sanders has gone over College tuition relief on Brunch With Bernie at least once if not more).

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
25. I heard that over and over at the Pride Festival
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:42 AM
Jun 2015

as near as I can tell since I wasn't actually counting is that Bernie's support there was about 10-1 over Hillary.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Good to know. The more people get to know him, see his long consistent record on the issues,
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jun 2015

the more support he is going to get. I definitely believe he will win the primary, absent any dirty tricks to keep him off ballots eg and then have no problem beating any of the current flock of morons running on the right.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
33. Where I was standing at the Chicago Pride parade,
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary contingent was booed and Sanders was shouted out with cheers.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. People know who their allies have been, when times were difficult, they are not impressed
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jun 2015

with those who wait until it is politically expedient to stand up for what is right. Good to know bernie had a lot of supporters in Chicago this weekend.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. BOOM! Too bad truth is not what most in power are seeking to support.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jun 2015

but, she sure gets how the msm and most politicians have been struggling to portray Bernie, doesn't she?


If truth were what mattered to them, this would embarrass them. As it is....

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
31. Goddess, I love Millennials!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jun 2015

Some of us Boomers have been waiting awhile to be able to pass the Activist torch on to a new generation. I'm so glad it's them. These guys are just amazing. They're smart, they're aware, they're socially, environmentally and politically conscience. If this country is to be saved, it's the millennials who will do it with the activist Boomers having their back all the way.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
36. I HOPE Bernie's team is
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jun 2015

deploying a strategy to register these kids. Many are probably not registered. Remember it will have been 8 years since Obama.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
37. In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

We need this kind of revolution, and Bernie Sanders is a Truth Teller who can lead it.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
38. yes!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

at the age of 27 I admit that Bernie is the first and only politician to spur me into action for a greater cause. he needs us as much as we need him!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. He is very inspiring, he is talking about the issues that matter to people, especially young people
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jun 2015

who are the generation that will inherit the world these oligarchs have created. And he has a long record of trying to do something about it so people know it isn't just campaign rhetoric.

You are so right, he does need us, millions of us to be able to fight the inevitable attempts there will be to stop him, to try to discredit him, as we have already seen.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
49. And when you tell people the truth
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

they trust you, even if they disagree with parts.

And this is exactly what HRC lacks.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
50. I hope young people flock to his cause.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

That alone would indicate some hope for the future of the country.

Early signs are promising.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. They ARE flocking to him. THEY are the main group driving his campaign all over Social Media
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

They're not waiting for his campaign to catch up with all the volunteers, they are amazing, using then new media to get people on board with his 'political revolution'. There are so many groups now it's hard to keep up with them, in every state.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
56. Oh me of little faith...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jun 2015

At first I didn't believe Bernie had the charisma to be President. That's why I was so GUNG HO for Elizabeth Warren for so long (years ago, even).

But since I have been regularly experiencing listening to him in speeches and interviews, I have come to realize not only his charm but his honesty and candor, that are like oases in the desert of the Washington political scene. Now I am sure of it. He CAN. It won't be easy. Hillary, Wall Street and the sad parade of RethuglyCONs will put up a monumental fuss. But he can do it!

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
57. The kids get it
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

Dwindling opportunities, student debt, an uncertain climate are issues that this generation has to put up with right now. Voting for someone who wants more of the same policies that are in place serves them no right. They get it!


Now if only we can get them to go to the polls then we'd have a better chance.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
60. They will go to the polls. They are among the most active Bernie supporters all over
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

Social Media. Letting people know where he will be, organizing meet-ups, attending when they can, his rallies and making sure they bring people along.

It really is becoming a phenomenon, but shouldn't surprise anyone. It was the younger generation that sounded the alarm bell with OWS organizing, introducing lingo that has now become part of the language to describe, briefly, the state of our nation's gross inequalities.

I am confident they will register and work to get others registered to vote for Bernie.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
64. I hope so
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

I remembered the Ron Paul Revolution when I was in college and that went no where. Hopefully this generation is different. As for me I never liked Ron Paul.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
65. Marijuana issues are on the ballot...
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

in multiple states in 2016. That will DEFINITELY help turnout among the young voters. That is a great thing if you ask me...



appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
63. K & R. Love it! #youthforBernie. So pleased & proud! Their future's at stake bigtime-
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jun 2015

(the real 'radicalism' of the last 30 years is very clear).

Go Bernie!

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
69. I can remember
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

being so giddy when the "Crooks and Liars" website came online because it so perfectly describes almost all politicans. But not Bernie - what a breath of fresh air.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
71. Yes, crooks and liars is what most of them are now. Not all, but it's a relative few who are not.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

And he is a breath of fresh air.

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