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They’re still not telling the real story: Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and the analysis you won’t (Original Post) Baobab May 2016 OP
The main thing I noted... malokvale77 May 2016 #1
Good Read pmorlan1 May 2016 #2
You beat me to it, pmorlan1. elleng May 2016 #4
LOL pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
Thats total bullshit though. It is basically trickle down economics Baobab May 2016 #13
Thanks. elleng May 2016 #3
Well thanks a lot. When you put it like that, and I don't disagree, we are fracked. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #6
I like the musical chairs metaphor particularly. surrealAmerican May 2016 #7
Clinton's Rainbow Oligarchy vs Sanders New Deal Revival... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #8
Waging a battle for the soul of the party and the country hedda_foil May 2016 #9
Sure is, elleng May 2016 #10
This part is interesting: Hydra May 2016 #11
They globalize government procurement which means objective and verifiable criteria must Baobab May 2016 #14
If we give it time, the media will break it down for us Babel_17 May 2016 #12

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
1. The main thing I noted...
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

We're not looking for an Obama third term.

He fought for little of what he ran on.

We're not looking for more of the same bullshit.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
2. Good Read
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

Thank you.

In contrast, Clinton argues for updating 1980s “New Democrat”-style improvements within a capitalist meritocratic system, expanding opportunities for the most successful individuals of formerly excluded groups, but leaving the underlying logic of selective individual success in place, with narrowly-tailored means-tested programs purported to serve those left furthest behind. The game of musical chairs can be improved significantly, Clinton argues, if only everyone is allowed to play and “compete equally,” but Sanders points out that the game is rigged: a shortage of chairs is the whole point of the game.

Horse-race coverage has reinforced Clinton’s repeated efforts to blur the differences between their different visions. A shift to a more extended framework would serve to help sharpen public understanding of the profound differences involved, so don’t expect to see it any time soon. Within the political establishment today, it’s not in anyone’s short-term interest to look out for the public good. That’s what a rigged system is all about. Which is why Sanders’ campaign could be perfectly justified in writing its own rules. They are waging a battle for the soul of the party and the country. Anyone who thinks it will end in a few weeks or months is missing the big picture. Which is just what the establishment is hoping for… still.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
13. Thats total bullshit though. It is basically trickle down economics
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

Also, Clintonomics gives big chunks of the economy away to rich people in developing countries. The owners of staffing companies, for example. Not their workers who get paid a fraction of what the Americans occupying those jobs previously made.

These changes will disproportionately hurt the middle class. Also younger people will not have a ladder up. Foreigners will get those jobs.

But skilled wages will fall which is their goal.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
3. Thanks.
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

'More than ever, we have to ask, why should the conventions or the elections be the framework for all we think? Even if Trump’s presidential run ends ruinously in November, Trumpism will remain, along with the GOP’s profound vulnerability to the forces Trump has unleashed. Similarly, even if Sanders fails to overtake Clinton’s delegate lead, his voters clearly represent the future of the Democratic Party, and Stan Greenberg, pollster for both Bill Clinton and Al Gore, seems justified in his warning last October that it’s a mistake for Democrats to run for Obama’s “third term.” “That’s not what the country wants. It’s not what the base of the Democratic Party wants. The Democratic Party is waiting for a president who will articulate the scale of the problems we face and challenge them to address it,” he said.

So party leaders on both sides—as well as bipartisan media figures—are simply whistling past the graveyard, perhaps with a slightly different tune just now, but still deeply devoted to reporting, analyzing and discussing things in a way that avoids as long as possible the profound changes that are clearly under way, and the equally profound changes that people are hungry for. . .

I appreciate it whenever I see someone speaking TRUTH. (Incidentally I'm pleased to see Stan Greenberg's warning - we attended the same college at the same time, tho didn't meet. Been waiting for something 'important' from him.)

'Meanwhile, on the Democratic side—as I’ve noted repeatedly, here, here, here and here—Sanders represents a revitalized New Deal-style social democratic vision, characterized by universalist programs like free public education, Medicare and Social Security, in which the fruits of a successful economy are broadly and equitably shared by all. It represents the kind of fundamental shift in logic to a broadly cooperative social order that’s exactly what we need to reverse our current trend toward social instability, even crisis.

In contrast, Clinton argues for updating 1980s “New Democrat”-style improvements within a capitalist meritocratic system, expanding opportunities for the most successful individuals of formerly excluded groups, but leaving the underlying logic of selective individual success in place, with narrowly-tailored means-tested programs purported to serve those left furthest behind. The game of musical chairs can be improved significantly, Clinton argues, if only everyone is allowed to play and “compete equally,” but Sanders points out that the game is rigged: a shortage of chairs is the whole point of the game.

Horse-race coverage has reinforced Clinton’s repeated efforts to blur the differences between their different visions. A shift to a more extended framework would serve to help sharpen public understanding of the profound differences involved, so don’t expect to see it any time soon. Within the political establishment today, it’s not in anyone’s short-term interest to look out for the public good. That’s what a rigged system is all about. Which is why Sanders’ campaign could be perfectly justified in writing its own rules. They are waging a battle for the soul of the party and the country. Anyone who thinks it will end in a few weeks or months is missing the big picture. Which is just what the establishment is hoping for… still.'

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
7. I like the musical chairs metaphor particularly.
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

It really does feel like that. We need a "game" that doesn't require that some people lose in order for some to win.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
9. Waging a battle for the soul of the party and the country
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016
The game of musical chairs can be improved significantly, Clinton argues, if only everyone is allowed to play and “compete equally,” but Sanders points out that the game is rigged: a shortage of chairs is the whole point of the game.

Horse-race coverage has reinforced Clinton’s repeated efforts to blur the differences between their different visions. A shift to a more extended framework would serve to help sharpen public understanding of the profound differences involved, so don’t expect to see it any time soon. Within the political establishment today, it’s not in anyone’s short-term interest to look out for the public good. That’s what a rigged system is all about. Which is why Sanders’ campaign could be perfectly justified in writing its own rules. They are waging a battle for the soul of the party and the country. Anyone who thinks it will end in aofew weeks or months is missing the big picture. Which is just what the establishment is hoping for… still
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IA friend and I were talking about the election this morning and I suddenly realized that Bernie is not just campaigning. He's holding the soul of this country for us to reclaim.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
11. This part is interesting:
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

"In contrast, Clinton argues for updating 1980s “New Democrat”-style improvements within a capitalist meritocratic system, expanding opportunities for the most successful individuals of formerly excluded groups,"

I fail to see how New Dem systems are based on merit- they are pay to play, insiders only need apply rebranded Bushco systems.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
14. They globalize government procurement which means objective and verifiable criteria must
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

be used, the awarding of bids must not be by country of nepotism like now. (big chunks of government down to the municipal level must be privatized, hospitals, schools, IT, public works, construction, energy, green jobs etc.)

So the lowest qualified bidder firm with the most qualifications (education) out of a pool of 50 potential bidding countries, or more, gets the work. Least developed countries firms may get priority.

The price of energy may jump a lot leading to lots of construction as older buildings are replaced by new ones with solar panels.A real goldmine for real estate developers

Education will be privatized and global education firms hope to step in managing and staffing schools and colleges. They may even open new affordable ones. Lots of duplication of services will mean los of new investments which must get paid off.

Firms that can broker staffing in genuinely poor countries like India and Bangladesh hope to get a lot of that work.

So its quite redistributive and potentially a whole new ballgame.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
12. If we give it time, the media will break it down for us
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:33 AM
May 2016

And that's when it will be real, when they go to town on the story.

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