Another hide

[SheenaR]

For suggesting fairly that Bill Clinton's advisors were not on the ball completely regarding the threat of terrorism.

Even provided a NYT link showing where warnings were ignored.

They are doing a hell of a job stacking the juries to get the majority out of being able to serve on them. Its ridiculous.

I've been using less of a filter lately with them and not saying I'm never worthy of a hide. But things are getting more and more ridiculous as we are made to feel unwelcome for the coronation.

[oldandhappy]

1. Tis true

[villager]

2. In addition to an "ignore" list, you should use the list that allows "jury blocking"

I think you can name up to 15 people you'd prefer not to have on your juries -- often, of course, there will be considerable overlap with "ignore" (especially for those who aren't down to a 40% likelihood of serving! )

But yes, things increasingly "stacked" around here, and less and less need to keep a curtain over the clockworks backstage...

[Hiraeth]

4. 15, if you have a star. only five without one.

[villager]

6. True. Sometimes in can be worth the buck, depending. nt

[Hiraeth]

8. mayhaps.

[Dragonfli]

13. Do you know if poeple on full ignore can be on a jury against you? I know I can not jury them.

[villager]

15. Good question. I thought that was what the jury list was for

...to graft over some of the same names so they can't be "seated?"

[malokvale77]

31. As soon as I had the funds to buy a star...

Skinner announced his backing of Hillary. I'm not paying for that.

I got my first hide in ages, just for mentioning that Skinner made a mistake by allowing the most toxic members to continue posting.

I'm somehow a horrible, awful person for questioning Skinner's benevolence.

I expect this to get hidden sometime overnight.

[villager]

36. Your post "disappeared," eh?

I guess that's a different kind of "undergrounding" than the one we though we were signing up for.

[malokvale77]

37. Heh...

[MrMickeysMom]

30. I do this...

It's good advice, villager

[leveymg]

3. You're not altogether wrong, but how did you say that?

Link for that post?

[SheenaR]

7. In response to a sarcastic Hillary commenter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1944181

Did I heap too much blame? Perhaps. But I'm tired of this notion that our Party leaders are faultless and that all the ills of the world are due to the other side.

We make mistakes too. Bill made plenty. I even references FDR who, while a hero, made some awful decisions regarding the Jewish situation in Europe.

These things happen unfortunately. But question King Bill and Queen Hill and forget it.

[mvd]

21. Really, I think every one of Clinton's major "achievements" was a conservative one

We had NAFTA, welfare reform, the crime bill, Glass Stegall repeal, deregulation, DOMA, etc. Really sad coming from a Democrat. I didn't think there was anything wrong with your post.

[SheenaR]

23. Thank you

And their reaction to it all and the reality that we are quickly becoming a conservative Party leads me to believe that for some of us, we will need a new viable option in the near future.

[malokvale77]

32. I hate how much the Democratic Party has become virtually...

indistinguishable from the GOP.

I hate how the best minds have disappeared from DU.

I hate how DU is becoming a sad imitation of Free Republic.

[LiberalArkie]

5. The party does not want thinkers like the Republicans do not want people to think, just follow.

If either party wants a thinker, they will hire a think tank. Neither party really wants Bernie followers because they think. They are afraid of those kind of people. If the parties can manage to keep the thinkers home and away from polling places, they have won.

[SheenaR]

9. They have kept us at bay long enough

And I have voted D even when I did not trust the candidate or even believe in them.

I'm done with that. I'll always vote for the greater good but I'm done with the myth of our Party's infallibility

[villager]

16. That myth ended for me, definitively, during the stomach-wrenching acquiesence of the Reagan era. nt

[Art_from_Ark]

38. Reagan-era "boll-weevils" (now called "blue dogs") were particularly irritating

They had that "D" after their name, but they sure loved themselves some Reagan

[malokvale77]

33. Evil is evil...

I've lived with it so long, that argument doesn't hold with me anymore.

I won't be shamed by a few's needs, I'm fighting for the many's needs.

[retrowire]

10. this. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. This jury thing on DU is a total joke.

It should be scrapped, asap.

[silvershadow]

34. agreed. nt

[TBF]

12. I finally cleared my entire ignore list

so I could see what they are saying. At this point I'm not sure which is more plentiful on the site - delusional Hillary supporters who actually think independents will vote for her after being disenfranchised in the primaries, or republican trolls that are just here to stir whatever they can. Both are plentiful. I do continue to have a couple of big forums trash-canned because I really don't need Hillary Clinton, pro-gun, or GDP in my life.

[Art_from_Ark]

39. You don't have to clear your ignore list to see what they're saying

Just view DU when you're logged out, and they'll show up.

[QC]

14. Quite a few Bernie people have been removed from the jury pool.

It happened right about the time of the troll amnesty, which just happened to coincide with Brock's troll army project.

Funny how all these things just happened, isn't it?

[AtomicKitten]

17. I alerted today, the first time in a long time.

And my alert was ignored. So I alerted again. Ignored. Again. Ignored.

So that's new. Must be one of those glitches or something. Um-huh, that must be it.

[riderinthestorm]

24. I thought that was a glitch on my end but that happened to me too!

I alerted a post.

An hour later, I check and nothing in my inbox. So I check and try "alert" again, and it processes the 2nd alert as though the 1st one was never sent. I did that 4 times on one deeply anti-semitic, anti-Bernie thread in GDP and got the same results. It was as though no alert had ever been sent.

6 hours later the thread was locked.

But it was weird...

I haven't served on a jury for 2 months.

[grasswire]

29. that has happened to me, too!! nt

[AtomicKitten]

40. ^^^ WOW. I wonder how many other Bernie supporters are being frozen out w/o their knowledge.

[dorkzilla]

20. Yep I'm one of them.

I used to be on juries several times a day. Nothing for months now.

[QC]

22. Same here. Not called in weeks.

I went and looked at my last two or three DUmails regarding jury service and found what I think did it. Someone tried to get a post hidden for pointing out Bravenak's exposure as an anti-Semite, and I commented that I would not be a party to covering up the issue of anti-Jewish prejudice among a considerable number of HRC's more dedicated fanz.

Apparently that was enough.

[riderinthestorm]

25. Me too. 2 months since my last jury. I have 1 hide calling out bravenak for her anti-semitism

That's when I stopped getting jury calls.

[QC]

27. It's a longstanding thing with DU, and I've been here since 2001.

that the most hateful, disruptive people here seem to enjoy some kind of special protection. It's weird how that works.

[Autumn]

43. When the admins put the comments on the offenders profile a couple of DUers

looked all through the Hillary group at profiles and not one had a comment on theirs despite comments on a few posted jury results where Hill supporters said I was juror so and so. Now they removed the "Scarlet Letter" after that was commented on in several posts .

[QC]

44. There are quite a few thumbs on the scale, it seems.

In fairness, though, it's gotta be embarrassing when your wife is on the payroll of one candidate and your website is a hotbed of support for the other one.

[Autumn]

45. Yeah that would be embarrassing.

But yes the game was rigged. When it was brought to their attention that MIRT members were conspiring to get hides and time outs on Bernie supporters at an off site Hillary group that was brushed off. I notice also that a couple of the worst shit stirrers are still flagged but are posting under new names so I guess that FFR is a work around to avoid being banned and sneaking back in Still as nasty as ever so I think the transparency page will go next.

[QC]

46. And don't you find it interesting that the troll amnesty coincided

so neatly with the start of the brockpuppet project?

And here's a real puzzler...we were told ad nauseum for about four years that the jury system was the greatest invention since oral sex and that alert stalking was a myth, as revealed by an exhaustive analysis of all relevant statistics.

But then, all of a sudden, we learn that the jury system is such an abject failure that the (already very minimalist) rules about civility have to be thrown out and the whole system replaced as soon as the election's over.

How quickly things can change!

[Autumn]

47. Yep, and when you rig the game, you hide the cards.

You look at some of those transparency pages and you will see some well deserved hides on some of the nastiest posts and personal attacks you will see. That's why I think the transparency page is the next to go.

[silvershadow]

35. Spot on. nt

[disillusioned73]

18. For the record..

I was a "leave it" vote.. I thought that it was a fairly accurate post and saw no problem with it.. it has gotten ridiculous around here..

[SheenaR]

19. I appreciate it

The jury system has gotten way out of control. Thanks for your support

[NV Whino]

41. Jury information

This should address some of the "why I haven't been on a jury" comments.

Detailed Explanation of the Jury Selection Process

For those who are interested, this sections provides a detailed breakdown of the Jury selection process.

Immediately after a Community Standards alert is sent our software begins to seat a Jury by randomly flagging members who are currently browsing DU. Members are excluded from serving if:

they have their "Willingness to serve on a DU Jury" option set to "Unwilling"
they are ignoring the alerted member
they are blocking DU mail from the alerted member
they have replied to the alerted member within the last 24 hours
they have alerted on the alerted member within the last 24 hours
they have posted in the thread which contains the alerted post
they are on the alerted member's Jury Blacklist
After checking to see if a potential Juror is not excluded, the software then does a virtual "dice roll" against the member's chance of serving. Every member's chance of serving is represented as a percentage and is publicly displayed on their Profile page. A member's maximum possible chance of serving is 100%, and their lowest possible chance of serving is 0%.

Things that increase a member's chance of serving:

Increase 1 percentage point for each 100 posts (up to 20 percentage points max = 2,000 posts)
Increase 1 percentage point for each 10 days of membership (up to 20 percentage points max = 200 days)
Increase 1 percentage point for each post in the last 90 days (up to 20 percentage points max = 20 posts)
Increase 40 percentage points for Star Membership
Things that decrease a member's chance of serving:

Decrease 20 percentage points for each hidden post in last 90 days
Once a member is selected to serve, they will be sent a request which they can either accept or refuse. If the member does not accept the request within five minutes the software will cancel the request and search for another Juror. If the member accepts the request within five minutes, they are seated on the Jury and can immediately begin to review the alerted post. The software continues to search for Jurors until six members have been seated. If any Juror does not complete their review of the alerted post within 30 minutes, their Jury Service will end and the software will search for another Juror to replace them.

[SheenaR]

42. I think what is more troublesome

is the number of times a Sanders supporter alerts something, and it vanishes from existence and never reaches a jury.