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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:06 PM May 2016

Check out this Op-Ed from Kyrstal Ball. No wonder why she no longer works for msnbc. #FeeltheBern !!

I don't know why I was surprised seeing this from Krystal Ball, but it is one of the best op-eds on Bernie vs Hillary that I have read.

These are just excerpts, the points I thought really hit home. Much more at the link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krystal-ball/why-bernie-sanders-is-our_b_10064830.html

Why Bernie Sanders Is Our Best Chance to Beat Donald Trump

According to this logic, Bernie and his band of loyalists need to get pragmatic, face the music, have a reality check. Hogwash. Doesn’t anyone see what I see? Bernie Sanders is our best chance to beat Donald Trump and to prove to the young voters backing him that the Democratic party actually stands for something


Error in thinking #1: Sanders supporters care about the existing system.

.....you’re 24-years-old.... how much might you care about Harry Reid or Debbie Wasserman Schultz or some other Democratic partisan pearl clutcher’s pleas for party unity? These young voters are expected to back down for the sake of a party they tell pollsters they don’t identify with, in the service of nominating a presidential candidate who promises to maintain a system that has conspired to screw them at every turn.


Error in thinking #2: Uniting around Clinton is the best shot to beat Trump.

The very same people who condescendingly exhort Sanders followers to “do the math” on the nomination process seem to have left their own calculators at home when it comes to figuring out who can actually win this fall.


Here’s a reality check folks: Independents win elections. They like Bernie and they hate Hillary. That’s to say nothing of the fact that a majority of voters find Clinton untrustworthy, a reality I’m confident will not be helped by her general election “pivot” to yet another version of the real HRC. Will she pick Warren as her veep and double down on her newfound progressivism, or will she pick Tim Kaine and shift to the center to help assuage the fears of white men? The very fact that her team is so publicly mulling these choices reveals that they have no clue that their biggest problem isn’t making the proper electoral calculations, but rather that their entire campaign is based on electoral calculations.



Error in thinking #3: Winning is the only goal that matters.

Let’s pretend for a moment that I’m completely wrong about Hillary being a dreadful choice for November and that the moment voters discover Sanders is a socialist they will run into the loving arms of Donald Trump. Let’s pretend Hillary Clinton is a winner. Is this really what the Democratic party has been reduced to? Not fighting for the poor? Not standing up for the working people of this country? Not fighting with every breath to push the money and corruption out of a system that only works for a glossy few?


Make no mistake, the values that we say we stand for will be compromised by a Clinton nomination. After all, who will really believe we’re the party of the people when we unite behind the queen of the global glitterati? Who will buy that we’ll fight to get money out of politics when we back the most prolific political fundraiser in history? Who will take seriously that we’ll get tough on Wall Street when our nominee got paid big bucks to stroke their fragile egos?


So to the Bern-baby-Bern crowd I say, keep fighting. Your fight is worthy. Your cause is just. Your passionate existence irritates the Democratic powers that be because you remind them of all that they are supposed to stand for.


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Check out this Op-Ed from Kyrstal Ball. No wonder why she no longer works for msnbc. #FeeltheBern !! (Original Post) jillan May 2016 OP
No 1. They ask who in the hell is Harry Reid? LiberalArkie May 2016 #1
FANTASTIC editorial! This is really good because it absolutely smacks of truth! PatrickforO May 2016 #2
If Van Hollen Had Done His Job, She's Be Congresswoman Ball corbettkroehler May 2016 #3
Interesting. I hope she runs again. After reading this I would definitely donate to her campaign. jillan May 2016 #6
Krystal would have been good in that position, what a loss. I always liked her appalachiablue May 2016 #17
EXCELLENT Voice for Peace May 2016 #4
Excellent, glad to K&R. dgauss May 2016 #5
Great piece deepestblue May 2016 #7
Truly awesome. nt thereismore May 2016 #8
K & R findrskeep May 2016 #9
Kick! felix_numinous May 2016 #10
K&R SamKnause May 2016 #11
KnR! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #12
Kick! nt mhatrw May 2016 #13
yay, krystal! hopemountain May 2016 #14
k&R. Thanks! nt silvershadow May 2016 #15
Kicked and recommended to the Max! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #16
Oh, good Iwillnevergiveup May 2016 #18
I enjoyed the read. Xyzse May 2016 #19
K&R! Duval May 2016 #20
Thank you. KeepItReal May 2016 #21

PatrickforO

(14,585 posts)
2. FANTASTIC editorial! This is really good because it absolutely smacks of truth!
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

Thank you for posting.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
3. If Van Hollen Had Done His Job, She's Be Congresswoman Ball
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

The fact that she lost her run for Congress due to misogyny is yet another example of how feckless the establishment Dems have become. Even though he was a terrible White House Chief of Staff and Mayor of Chicago, Battering Rahm was highly effective as chair of the DCCC. If Krystal had run while Rahm chaired it, she would have captured the seat.

Such a shame!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. Interesting. I hope she runs again. After reading this I would definitely donate to her campaign.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

She never really impressed me when she was on msnbc. Was I ever wrong about her!

appalachiablue

(41,157 posts)
17. Krystal would have been good in that position, what a loss. I always liked her
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

and the late afternoon 'The Cycle' show with viewpoints from Toure, others. MSNBC has really killed itself by radically moving right. Good thing Krystal has another business job and is a CPA. She grew up in the Fredericksburg, Va. area and got her unusual name from her physicist dad from WV. Ball is an old English name, fairly common in Va., the South, NE, etc. GW's mother was Mary Ball Washington.

K & R. Great article, thanks.

dgauss

(882 posts)
5. Excellent, glad to K&R.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

That last sentence bears repeating:

"Your passionate existence irritates the Democratic powers that be because you remind them of all that they are supposed to stand for."

Explains a lot.

deepestblue

(349 posts)
7. Great piece
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016


I believe MSNBC would have looked MUCH, MUCH different this election season had it not been purchased.

I think there would've been several hosts in support of a Bernie candidacy.

MSNBC was the only cable network to back Obama early and often in '08. Keith, etc.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
14. yay, krystal!
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:41 AM
May 2016

for some reason i thought she left msnbc to work for the hillary campaign. so happy to learn i was very wrong

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
19. I enjoyed the read.
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016
Your cause is just. Your passionate existence irritates the Democratic powers that be because you remind them of all that they are supposed to stand for.


I can only agree, even though I unfortunately already think Clinton has the Primaries but will flounder in the General Election.

Still donating to the Sanders campaign but I am now looking at the local races around my area.

So:
Senator Race: Chris van Hollen - I really don't want to. I'll probably vote for him, but not donate.
Congressional Race: John K. Delaney - I don't want to either. I will definitely vote for him, and will probably donate.

The lower races, I will vote straight ticket Dem.

I just realized that I can't do much for my area.

I guess I will pay attention to closer races on different states. I generally pay attention in VA.
Onwards and forwards to mitigate damage!
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