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New poll results (Original Post)
Omaha Steve
May 2016
OP
retrowire
(10,345 posts)1. This is bad, this is very fucking bad. nt
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)2. .
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)3. And yet the Democratic leadership
is shoving this deeply flawed candidate down our throats and declaring her to be The One.
NBC Evening News tonight said that polls show Bernie has a 15 point lead over Trump while HRH has a 2-3 point advantage or a 2-3 point disadvantage against him. Still, the DNC is steadfast in making her the nominee. What the hell is going on here? Do they want the "Democratic" candidate to lose?
It is just mind boggling that the party is going with HRC when it is clear she is most likely to lose while Bernie is most likely to win.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)4. K&R nt
eridani
(51,907 posts)5. Why Bernie Sanders Is Our Best Chance to Beat Donald Trump
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/20/why-bernie-sanders-our-best-chance-beat-donald-trump
The very same people who condescendingly exhort Sanders followers to do the math on the nomination process seem to have left their own calculators at home when it comes to figuring out who can actually win this fall. So for the math-obsessed, here are some numbers for you. According to RealClearPolitics, Sanders beats Trump in polls by an average of 13 points while Clintons average lead over Trump has dwindled to five points with one outlier poll from CNN doing a lot of the heavy lifting to give her even that much of a lead. The two most recent polls, NBC and Gravis, give her a lead of only three points and two points respectively. This in a week that was supposedly terrible for Trump with embarrassing stories about his butlers racist rants, his penchant for pretending to be his own publicist, and his lecherous ways with women.
According to the math, Sanders is a much better bet for November, which makes sense when you think about it. Consider, for example, that he has cleaned Clintons clock with independents. Come November, these independent voters will have their every mood and microclimate measured by a Democratic party desperate to win them over. For now, however, they either dont enter the calculus, or they are used to grant greater legitimacy to Clinton voters who are the real Democrats. Heres a reality check folks: Independents win elections. They like Bernie and they hate Hillary. Thats to say nothing of the fact that a majority of voters find Clinton untrustworthy, a reality Im confident will not be helped by her general election pivot to yet another version of the real HRC. Will she pick Warren as her veep and double down on her newfound progressivism, or will she pick Tim Kaine and shift to the center to help assuage the fears of white men? The very fact that her team is so publicly mulling these choices reveals that they have no clue that their biggest problem isnt making the proper electoral calculations, but rather that their entire campaign is based on electoral calculations.
We are told that these voters who like Bernie now would all come to their senses by the general election when they notice Sanders is a *cue scary music* SOCIALIST!!! A fact that could not have possibly escaped anyones notice since Hillary Democrats have made common cause with Republicans by hurling this supposed epithet at Sanders every chance they get. I guess they havent noticed that after watching our vaunted capitalistic system enter a free fall from which it could only be saved (we were told) by throwing a bunch of money at the bankers while somehow forgetting to help any of the individuals whose lives were destroyed, well, socialism doesnt sound quite so scary anymore. In fact, millennials tell pollsters that it sounds quite a bit better to them than the system we call capitalism which is really just socialism for bankers, billionaires and multinationals.Why Bernie Sanders Is Our Best Chance to Beat Donald Trump
The very same people who condescendingly exhort Sanders followers to do the math on the nomination process seem to have left their own calculators at home when it comes to figuring out who can actually win this fall. So for the math-obsessed, here are some numbers for you. According to RealClearPolitics, Sanders beats Trump in polls by an average of 13 points while Clintons average lead over Trump has dwindled to five points with one outlier poll from CNN doing a lot of the heavy lifting to give her even that much of a lead. The two most recent polls, NBC and Gravis, give her a lead of only three points and two points respectively. This in a week that was supposedly terrible for Trump with embarrassing stories about his butlers racist rants, his penchant for pretending to be his own publicist, and his lecherous ways with women.
According to the math, Sanders is a much better bet for November, which makes sense when you think about it. Consider, for example, that he has cleaned Clintons clock with independents. Come November, these independent voters will have their every mood and microclimate measured by a Democratic party desperate to win them over. For now, however, they either dont enter the calculus, or they are used to grant greater legitimacy to Clinton voters who are the real Democrats. Heres a reality check folks: Independents win elections. They like Bernie and they hate Hillary. Thats to say nothing of the fact that a majority of voters find Clinton untrustworthy, a reality Im confident will not be helped by her general election pivot to yet another version of the real HRC. Will she pick Warren as her veep and double down on her newfound progressivism, or will she pick Tim Kaine and shift to the center to help assuage the fears of white men? The very fact that her team is so publicly mulling these choices reveals that they have no clue that their biggest problem isnt making the proper electoral calculations, but rather that their entire campaign is based on electoral calculations.
We are told that these voters who like Bernie now would all come to their senses by the general election when they notice Sanders is a *cue scary music* SOCIALIST!!! A fact that could not have possibly escaped anyones notice since Hillary Democrats have made common cause with Republicans by hurling this supposed epithet at Sanders every chance they get. I guess they havent noticed that after watching our vaunted capitalistic system enter a free fall from which it could only be saved (we were told) by throwing a bunch of money at the bankers while somehow forgetting to help any of the individuals whose lives were destroyed, well, socialism doesnt sound quite so scary anymore. In fact, millennials tell pollsters that it sounds quite a bit better to them than the system we call capitalism which is really just socialism for bankers, billionaires and multinationals.Why Bernie Sanders Is Our Best Chance to Beat Donald Trump