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djean111

(14,255 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:12 AM Jun 2016

For those who are mystified as to why Bernie's speech (and, it seems, very existence) is vilified

by the supporters of a different candidate -

(For the deflecting pedants who may screech that this is IMPOSSIBLE! Because time and stuff! - this is just an analogy. Thanks in advance for resisting the urge to marginalize and deflect.)

If Abraham Lincoln had had the temerity to run against Hillary Clinton, and delivered the Emancipation Proclamation and the Gettysburg Address as part of his platform, I truly believe that Hillary's supporters would immediately swoop in - be it to the taverns or the internet - and declaim angrily that just who does A. Lincoln think he is! and tell us that the Emancipation should be carefully done in incremental stages, and also who the fuck does Lincoln think he is.

This is what they do. I have accepted it, and use my full ignore key when I see it. Not worth one second of angst.

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For those who are mystified as to why Bernie's speech (and, it seems, very existence) is vilified (Original Post) djean111 Jun 2016 OP
I've come to conclusion that people are only this angry if they're afraid--o/w, they'd ignore him zazen Jun 2016 #1
Defense against threats is always something to consider when dealing HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #10
My feeling exactly. pangaia Jun 2016 #2
A lot of them exhibit behaviors I remember from bullies I encountered in junior high school corkhead Jun 2016 #3
And, just like in junior high, the principal blames the victims of the bullying. QC Jun 2016 #4
Yes. They fear he might stand between her and what they want for her. senz Jun 2016 #5
so apt ... because Lincoln wasn't a Democrat neither is Sanders, lol Hiraeth Jun 2016 #6
It would not matter. Not a bit. Irrelevant. djean111 Jun 2016 #7
not sure if I am leaving the party or if the party left me. All I know is a feeling of .... Hiraeth Jun 2016 #8
I already changed my registration Scootaloo Jun 2016 #9
I totally understand although I live in a primary state. Our election process from start to finish Hiraeth Jun 2016 #11
You're running for Rubio's Seat?? Do I read this correctly? 2banon Jun 2016 #13
Ha! djean111 Jun 2016 #14
LOL! You got me! 2banon Jun 2016 #18
I wonder if HRC would've voted for Soc. Sec./Medicare when first introduced or if it was too radical EndElectoral Jun 2016 #15
Nope. Stephen Douglas was Lincoln's Democratic opponent in that race. merrily Jun 2016 #16
It's well known ablamj Jun 2016 #12
Can you blame him? Not one woman voted for him! merrily Jun 2016 #17
LOL ablamj Jun 2016 #19

zazen

(2,978 posts)
1. I've come to conclusion that people are only this angry if they're afraid--o/w, they'd ignore him
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

There's the anger that he's called them out on an ideology they don't want to admit they share, but again, they'd only be that angry if they felt threatened.

I think they must fear she'll be indicted and/or that his continued presence might force actual change in the DNC and/or make her hawkish and neoliberal policies continue to look bad--otherwise, they'd just move on. If he's as irrelevant as they keep saying, why do they even bother?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. Defense against threats is always something to consider when dealing
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

with human, and dogs, and hornets... well it's just a good thing to consider

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. My feeling exactly.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jun 2016

While some pretty nasty stuff has come from both sides, in the last week or so the vitriol, ridiculing, demeaning (wish I had abetter phrase than grave stomping), coming from the Roman Empire that was, much to its surprise, almost overthrown by a previously assumed-to-be pipsqueek, is just childishly appaling.

The posts every three minutes looking for new and old ways to shit kick and laugh are like a pissing contest.
It is OK. If that is what some people want to do, that is fine.

The Romans have no idea what the fight was about to begin with, and never will understand.

So---I suggest we on the side of the formerly assumed-to-be pipsqueek, just ignore each and every post and comment, every single one.. Do not reply to anything. Just 100% ignore it.

It is not worth the negative energy.




QC

(26,371 posts)
4. And, just like in junior high, the principal blames the victims of the bullying.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jun 2016

"If you weren't such a sissy they wouldn't pick on you."

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
5. Yes. They fear he might stand between her and what they want for her.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016

His honesty, principles, goals, and massive, enthusiastic support are the anti-Her.

As long as he is still in the race, she is not the winner.

They will verbally abuse him mercilessly for standing between her and what they want for her. He stays strong because, unlike she -- who is in this for herself and the 1% -- he is in it for the people, for us.

So I thank Bernie Sanders, from the bottom of my heart, for staying in the race.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. It would not matter. Not a bit. Irrelevant.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Which is sort of the point. The actual issues would mean nothing.

As far as being a "Democrat", Bernie is more of a Democrat than any Third Way new Democrat. Which is why I am leaving the party. In August, after the primary to run for Rubio's seat. War, fracking, the TPP - that is not a party I want to be associated with.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
8. not sure if I am leaving the party or if the party left me. All I know is a feeling of ....
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:11 PM - Edit history (1)

quiet anticipation, waiting for the next move and by whom.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. I already changed my registration
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016
Socialist Alternative just fits so much better. Since the superdelegates in my state are all set to overturn the decision of the voters here, fuck it, the caucus seems to not have been worth the time it took for me anyway.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
11. I totally understand although I live in a primary state. Our election process from start to finish
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jun 2016

seems fraught with inconsistencies and a myriad of outdated operations.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
14. Ha!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:18 AM
Jun 2016
after the primary to run for Rubio's seat.

I worded that badly! Nah, the primary is for those who want to run for Rubio's seat - for the Democrats, it is pretty much between Grayson (Progressive/Liberal D-FL) and Patrick Murphy (DINO/New Democrat - FL). Looks like the GOP candidates vying for that spot may drop out, since Rubio realized he would miss his perks of office, and, evidently, no one offered him a lucrative job in the private sector. Jolly has already dropped out.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
15. I wonder if HRC would've voted for Soc. Sec./Medicare when first introduced or if it was too radical
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jun 2016
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