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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:44 PM Jul 2015

Sanders rains on Hillary's parade

Hillary Clinton took Capitol Hill by storm on Tuesday with a daylong series of friendly talks with congressional Democrats on the most pressing issues of the day. But if it was Clinton’s parade, no one told Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The Vermont independent, who’s challenging Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary next year, hijacked a set of microphones — usually reserved for Senate leaders — after leaving a private meeting between the former secretary of State and Senate Democrats in the Capitol Tuesday afternoon.

He then used the impromptu press conference to question Clinton’s populist bona fides on a range of issues, including trade policy, the Iraq War, regulating big banks and tackling climate change.

“Secretary Clinton and I disagree on a number of issues,” he said to a mob of reporters.
On trade, Sanders said three decades of deals — including the North American Free Trade Agreement signed by former President Clinton — “have been disastrous for American workers.”

“Secretary Clinton, I believe, has a different view on that issue,” he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/247920-sanders-rains-on-hillarys-parade

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Sanders rains on Hillary's parade (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2015 OP
Sanders is speaking the truth. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #1
You'd never know it listening to Sharpton on MSNBC just now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #2
And... SoapBox Jul 2015 #3
I think that is a true statement in the FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #6
And I'm sure.... daleanime Jul 2015 #12
Not to mention Cuba .. and now major prison reform TOO!?! nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #23
The rest of this article.... AlbertCat Jul 2015 #7
It was brilliant of Bernie to get any attention at all from the press. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #21
The rest of the article? swilton Jul 2015 #29
Indeed: A Senator taking the Senate floor is a "hijack"?!?! nt appal_jack Jul 2015 #40
MSNBC is "establishment," just like the rest of the msm. merrily Jul 2015 #11
more cognitive dissonance from the fan club. Doctor_J Jul 2015 #4
Don't forget that Hillary and Rudy were the media darlings of 08. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #15
I love your "It's going to be impossible for Sanders to overcome that." erronis Jul 2015 #25
Fuck that ybbor Jul 2015 #28
+++++++++++++ swilton Jul 2015 #30
If we're going to get Republican policies, we might as well have Republican politicians to blame. Scuba Jul 2015 #36
Dino's are hypocrites. Republicans are just stupid, mean, crooked jackasses. ladjf Jul 2015 #37
"hijacked a set of microphones — usually reserved for Senate leaders" Oh, he's a wild man! Gregorian Jul 2015 #5
Just getting started. daleanime Jul 2015 #13
:puke: at the hill for using terrorist terminology to describe speech by a US Senator and merrily Jul 2015 #16
It reminds me of the good old days. My childhood. 1952. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #22
Me too! It was roisterous and boisterous and a lot more fun than the Repubs. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #34
Awesome, JD. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #35
My cousin was saying how Adlai Stevenson was the candidate he wanted to win. Gregorian Jul 2015 #41
That cracked me up, Thanks! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #24
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Jul 2015 #9
yea, that's the same thing. Phlem Jul 2015 #10
OOPS... I didn't see it was group post.. I will delete OKNancy Jul 2015 #19
Thank you. That's a classy thing to do. merrily Jul 2015 #39
I think Dems in the US House and Senate are very wary of even mentioning PatrickforO Jul 2015 #14
Bernie IS officially a Democrat now. merrily Jul 2015 #18
Right. Hillary is a Dem. Whatever works for the coronation. erronis Jul 2015 #26
What's the third, or was that a joke about Perry? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #32
LOL, no it was a typo. Lucky I'm not up at that podium, eh? PatrickforO Jul 2015 #33
Too many Dems in House and Senate are cowardly pawns of the rich. ladjf Jul 2015 #38
Bern baby Bern! Pharaoh Jul 2015 #17
Bernie is brilliant. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #20
So now he steps up a little more aggressively MuseRider Jul 2015 #27
Perfect. Don't demean her character but flush her out on the issues... raindaddy Jul 2015 #31
About time for a mic check on the "third way" - TBF Jul 2015 #42
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Sanders is speaking the truth.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jul 2015

There are some significant issues on which he differs sharply with Clinton... issues important to working and middle class families (of ALL races).
Keeping good jobs in the US.
Reigning in predatory banking practices.
Restoring public schools.
Strengthening workers rights to organize.
War as a last resort, not a first response.
Eliminating Citizens United, and corporate purchasing of government.
Watching the police, and protecting civil rights.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. You'd never know it listening to Sharpton on MSNBC just now.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

Not a mention of Sanders while I was in the room with the TV, just the leader of the black caucus saying that poverty was their number one issue, and some woman whose identification chyron I missed saying that Hillary was getting a lot of Congressional support because of her long history with them. Now, given that Sanders was in the House of Reps from 91-07, and the Senate from 07 on, I would have thought he had a lot more history with most of them than Hillary, but again, no mention of him.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. And...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jul 2015

On the Alex What's Her Name show...they were yapping about HRC being drug to the left.

They said it was President Obama NOT Bernie, that has forced her to the left.

Say what?

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
6. I think that is a true statement in the
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

context of the Iran nuclear agreement. Have to admit it, Obama has drug everyone to the left on Iran.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. The rest of this article....
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

..... is practically a Clinton endorsement. Lots of praise that she even met with them. Kinda a low bar if you ask me..... especially this far away from elections. And everything sounds so mamby pamby, vague, and "let's be nice".

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. It was brilliant of Bernie to get any attention at all from the press.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

This campaign is going to be up to us. We have to talk to our friends and neighbors, understand the issues that separate Bernie and Hillary so well, that we can explain to people why Bernie is the better candidate. The list above is a good starting place. As the campaign goes on and the candidates answer questions and fill out the gaps in information about their proposed policies, we will be able to differentiate the views of Hillary v. those of Bernie much better.

Bernie deserves time in the media that equals his rise in the polls. There will be a deserved bitter reaction against the press if they favor Hillary just because she is the corporate candidate. The members of the press need to watch themselves. There are a lot of us Bernie supporters out here, and many of them are just a tad better informed and maybe more articulate in some cases than some of the Hillary supporters.

We have voices. Nobody can beat MannyGoldstein when it comes to getting views and feedback, and his ideas across. And Manny is on Bernie's side.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
29. The rest of the article?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jul 2015

I thought the entire piece was an ode to Clinton - it was like Sanders' interruption was an accident.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. MSNBC is "establishment," just like the rest of the msm.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

It expressly told Cenk that, when it took away the show he built after the White House complained to NBC execs that Cenk was being too critical.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. more cognitive dissonance from the fan club.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

1. Sanders is too liberal to get elected
2. Hillary is more liberal than Sanders
3. Hillary is the only one who can get elected

Clinton is the media's choice, mainly because she schmoozes them and the rest of the billionaires as her day job. It's going to be impossible for Sanders to overcome that. The good news is that they also prefer her to all of the republicans, and having a dino president's better than a Bush. But we as a nation are not going to recover while Jamie dimon and his class are picking the president.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
25. I love your "It's going to be impossible for Sanders to overcome that."
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jul 2015

Are you trying to build a nice self-fulfilling prophecy here? If Bernie succeeds, and impossibilities do happen, will you come back to this group and explain your use of the word "impossible"

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
28. Fuck that
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

I'd rather have a republican than a DINO any day. At least then I'd know I'm getting fucked and don't expect anything less.

I will not vote for a DINO every again, never a republican, but would rather a third party than a DINO.

We need a true progressive!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
36. If we're going to get Republican policies, we might as well have Republican politicians to blame.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jul 2015

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
37. Dino's are hypocrites. Republicans are just stupid, mean, crooked jackasses.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jul 2015

It's disgusting to think that the likely Democratic nominee will be a DINO. Still, there's the Supreme Court nominee issue. Would a Dino be more likely to appoint a liberal judge?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. "hijacked a set of microphones — usually reserved for Senate leaders" Oh, he's a wild man!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015

He's out of control. He's a communist, or something.

I've never enjoyed a primary like this.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. :puke: at the hill for using terrorist terminology to describe speech by a US Senator and
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

candidate for POTUS, while praising Hillary. The msm has been in the throes of an orgasm of slanted journalism since Bernie announced he was exploring a Presidential run.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. It reminds me of the good old days. My childhood. 1952.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jul 2015

The conventions were unpredictable back then. It was exciting.

The Democratic Convention of 1952 woke me up to politics. I was nine. I sat on my father's knee, and he explained politics to e. Never forget it.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
41. My cousin was saying how Adlai Stevenson was the candidate he wanted to win.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jul 2015

I was going nuts when Bernie first announced, and being born in '56, I had no idea that there were others like Bernie. Of course there had to be. But it's not celebrated like it should be.

Do you remember?

Response to n2doc (Original post)

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
14. I think Dems in the US House and Senate are very wary of even mentioning
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie for three reasons:

1. First, they are chicken - most are sorely lacking in political courage. They are afraid of everything; that their big biz donors will abandon them, that they have voted the corporate/neoliberal line once too often, and afraid of the Clintons who are unforgiving to those who 'betray' them. Many have, sadly, become little more than empty suits over the last couple decades.
2. Bernie is admittedly not a Democrat, though he does caucus with the Dems. Hillary is a Dem. So they are uneasily ignoring Bernie and somehow hoping he'll go away.

But he WON'T go away, and he's gonna beat Clinton in this primary.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
38. Too many Dems in House and Senate are cowardly pawns of the rich.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jul 2015

I think they might be afraid that a Bernie presidency might cost them some bribe money.(Which it probably would.)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. Bernie is brilliant.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jul 2015

I wonder whether he mentioned Citizens United. That is also an issue on which Bernie is strong and Hillary is hardly believable.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
27. So now he steps up a little more aggressively
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jul 2015

and speaks to the differences just after she spends the day doing her thing there and he gets KILLED for being critical and slamming her? I see nothing terribly personal here. He takes the punches and refuses to punch back but it is simply what he is supposed to do during an election and everyone has a cow over it? (possible ethics violation?)

Man oh man he has really jangled some nerves. Rain away Bernie!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
31. Perfect. Don't demean her character but flush her out on the issues...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:40 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary isn't going to be able to paint herself as a populist without having to answer to specifics. Bernie's good for the party, good for the voters and maybe not so good for Hillary.

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