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arcane1

(38,613 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:37 PM Jul 2015

"There Really Are Republicans for Bernie"

So who are these Republicans who want a very left independent for President? Take Darren Remington, age 49, from Memphis, Tennessee. He is a college graduate and ex-military, registered Republican in 1994 when he left the Air Force, and describes himself this way:

“I am an Eisenhower Conservative. My personal outlook is most closely aligned with that of three presidents (two Republican, one Democrat): Teddy Roosevelt (“Square Deal”), Truman (“the buck stops here”), and Eisenhower (five balanced budgets out of eight, understood that we must have adequate infrastructure to support a thriving economy).”

And why is Remington for Bernie Sanders?

“He’s an independent who has spoken up for veterans’ issues, rebuilding a strong middle class, and re-introducing the “common sense” that Thomas Paine wrote about into our modern government. Bernie Sanders seems to me to be to the 21st Century what Teddy Roosevelt was to the 20th Century.”

And does the word “socialist” bother him?

“I will support anyone who not only “talks the talk” but also “walks the walk” regarding the issues that I consider to be important. With that in mind, the phrase “democratic socialist” does not bother me—because I happen to know that two of the most prosperous nations in Europe are “democratic socialist” (Denmark & Sweden.) There is nothing intrinsically wrong with“socialism”—all effective government is socialist to some degree: Public Education; Public works (utilities and roads); Public institutions such as museums, theaters, and libraries. Social involvement does NOT equate to control of society.”

Karl Hubert, age 40, from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, is likewise a college graduate but never was in the military. He is still a registered Republican:

“I had the pleasure of living in Vermont for nearly a decade and became familiar with Senator Sanders then. His progressive policies were sound. He respected gun rights since there’s folks in Vermont that will starve through winter without game meat. He warned us all about the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. And it amazed me that this “flatlander” (a non-native to Vermont) kept getting re-elected—first as Mayor of Burlington, then Representative of Vermont, and then the junior Senator from the Green Mountain State. Since the financial craziness of 2008, Sanders has been wanting to break up the oligarchy and set this country back onto a path similar to FDR’s New Deal, and after 30 years of rampant greed from the banksters and their bought-and-paid-for politicians, this country needs some real change.”

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https://www.laprogressive.com/republicans-for-sanders/


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arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. Snark. Typical. Also proof you didn't read the link.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jul 2015

Might I remind you this group is for the NON-corporate candidate?

I get it. There isn't much you can defend. But shitting on other people's posts won't get you anywhere.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. Well, Republicans DO have a history of not being complete 100% assholes
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

There was a time when there were a few who were not total ding-bats, and
my guess is these Republicans remember that, and feel estranged from their
party, but at the same time have been so thoroughly conditioned to not trust
Democrats, that they find Bernie appealing on a number of fronts, such as
Veterans, those who don't trust Wall St. and want biggest banks broken up,
those who now get that endless ME wars are not in US's best interest, etc.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. While it's too slow for my tastes, eyes ARE opening.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jul 2015

I also think 9/11 changed things (as cliche as that sounds) and led otherwise well-meaning people to think they were conservative/republican even when they were no such thing, and never were.

25% of the population will always vote for racists and wealthy assholes, but that leaves 75%!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
6. Well, I wouldn't go that far
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

I understand being disillusioned with both parties, but if you are a Republican likely it is for purely selfish reasons or bigotry and racism. I know there are many people who grow up in Republican households and so just take on the party of their parents. But damn, look around. I know people bust on Elizabeth Warren for that very reason and it is sad that she changed so late in life. But at least she did. I hope more people realize there is a choice this time and that we need a change from establishment candidates. I see a lot of Fox news talking points in comment sections and they are downright crazy.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
8. Once we get past the propaganda, buzz-words, and slogans, there are many similarities
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

Conservatives know they're getting screwed, but they've been brainwashed when it comes to whom to blame it on. Usually, the closest they get is "lobbyists" but never take it that one further step to "those who hire the lobbyists".

Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do for the true wingnuts

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
9. I will first make a disclaimer
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jul 2015

I only know two Republicans in real life and deal with them very little. I am lucky enough to live in the deep blue sea of SoCal. So I will not claim to be an expert on this subject. But I have seen the "good Republican" or "sane Republican" many times. I don't buy it. Depending on their age, they might have lived through Nixon, Reagan and two Bushes. When was the epiphany going to come? I can only think of a few reasons why one would vote Republican and they all have to do with hatred and selfishness. They've been voting Republican because they don't believe in "handouts" for black and brown people and they want lower taxes. That's it.

Many Republicans switch to Democrats or Independents who vote for Democrats a long time ago. The trouble is, the Democratic Party decided their vote was the most important and coincidentally lucrative.

So while I applaud anyone from either party willing to put party loyalty aside to vote for the best candidate, I still don't trust them as far as I can throw them. Bernie can win with Democrats and Independents.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. These are the Republicans I'm referring to ..
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jul 2015

And it was mostly Republican voters who elected them, over and over. <-- These peeps

NY Governor John Lindsay, who was widely known as a liberal-to-moderate Republican, and
either ran for POTUS or was rumored to have those aspirations, I doh't recall exactly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lindsay

US Senator Wayne Morse (OR), who started as a Republican but then changed to Democrat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Morse

US Senator Mark O. Hatfield(OR), who stayed a republican but was quite liberal on social issues, and in
particular on war & peace issues, was an outspoken early opponent of the Viet Nam war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hatfield

And much more recently, Lincoln Chafee comes to mind, who is now running for POTUS as a Democrat,
but was originally a Republican Governor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
16. In my post upthread, I do give a longer answer
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=25694

I am no expert on Republicans, but I watch them out of the corner of my eye as if they are rabid wild animals. The side eye. At some point, the fundamental question needs to be addressed as to why they are and remained a Republican.

This skeptical little man is me

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
14. Jenny Horne is a good example of a republican who is brave
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jul 2015

I had a lot of friends who left our party. Not progressive enough.

This area is pretty forward looking, I had friends in those kayaks in the Sound.

I also have friends, not very close friends mind you but nice enough, who are Republicans. Most of them are fiscal republicans, they have no qualms about marriage equality or social issues. Not sure on a woman's choice but on the whole, they make sandwiches for the homeless and give to charities that don't make the recipients leave their free will behind.

Almost everyone is frightened by the future in terms of global eco systems, financial systems and civil rights.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
15. Yep. That's who I'm talking about
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

which I elaborated on here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=25702

On Edit: my sense is that there are a LOT of Republicans (more than we may know) who
are just fed up and flat-out embarrassed by their party's antics in Congress; and I sense
that Bernie may have a strong pull on them in the General, which is one of the main
reasons I think he really does have a good chance of becoming our next POTUS, as
'outside the box' as that may seem, at this point in the election.

GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
18. I can hear/read it now. If you are for Bernie then you are with the republicans.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015

I'd rather be for Bernie than takes sides with the rich ...and Hillary. The oligarchy is the enemy of both parties.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
19. I'm already hearing it. But it's OK. We're on the right side of history.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jul 2015

We may still lose, but at least we'll know we fought with the good guys

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
20. Democrats, independents, greens, republicans...
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jul 2015

THIS is why he will win the GE; we just have to get him there.

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