Interesting opinion from ROF on the BLM protesting...

[tex-wyo-dem]

At Bernie events:

In Case You Doubted #BlackLivesMatter Leadership Wants Progressives and Bernie Destroyed, Read This

https://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/in-case-you-doubted-blacklivesmatter-leadership-wants-the-progressive-movement-and-bernie-destroyed-read/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=email_this&utm_source=email

[retrowire]

1. Geez,

Are they really the cofounders? D:

[jalan48]

2. It almost sounds like BLM is fighting for turf in the Democratic Party.

They seem to think they can increase their role with the DNC by diminishing that of the Progressive wing.

[LiberalElite]

4. In which case they're

not as smart as they think they are. (But what do I know as a white person.)

[MisterP]

6. marvelous institutionalist insight, there!

so far everything's focused on interest and ideology--whether it's from a Clintonista faction or just the natural result of identitarianism that pops up in college sophomores after 2 quarters of reading duBois and Carmichael

[jalan48]

7. LOL-absolutely! Looks like freshman big words time to me.

[jalan48]

11. Sorry, I may have misread your post. Please excuse my snarkiness.

[MisterP]

12. can't even tell--but your OP gave a good insight into the jockeying always going on:

they're not fighting for a Cabinet post but for power in the party itself, regardless of whoever wins or loses

ensuring a lot of money goes into the party since the late 80s has always meant that they get paid the same whether the candidate wins or loses--so there's less incentive to win the general (Halter, anybody?)

[jalan48]

13. If the corporate wing of the party can convince black voters that they

can best represent their interests they lock up a voting bloc long term. Linking Progressives and racism could be an effective strategy.

[MisterP]

15. those BLMers behind this are trying to insert themselves into a political class, and unsurprisingly

share its empty viciousness--it's the same people saying "X is good because they're a Dem and Y is bad because they're not and if you say X shares most of their policies with Y it'll be your fault X didn't win"

but I don't think the "racist brocialist" theme will convince that many: most AA Dem voters do so because it's "the AA party" (i.e., it's not full of vicious dogwhistling ex-Dixiecrats); it was opposite in the 1860s-80s when they were 99% Republican: and the danger with bloc voting is that you can get taken for granted pretty quickly; but the sort of myopic view of race on stage here can survive only online and in small groups, really: the moment they put it into action a second time it generated a huge backlash because its true ugliness is invisible when it's just pixels

[jalan48]

16. Good analysis. It may just be a short-term effort to sway this particular primary.

[MisterP]

17. or it's just whatever college students marinated in an isolated labyrinth of academese

encounter the real world ...

[artislife]

5. It is getting hard to

stay where I want to stay. And that is fighting for Black Lives to matter.

They just may want the system to fail, and it will fail if a republican and their REAL hatred for many groups take over. It will hasten the revolution.

I heard this back in 2008. My very progressive friends said I should vote for the worse evil to hasten the downfall of the system.

But I am a little more hopeful than they are, and a little more patient.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

8. Voting the worse evil is progresive?

The 'downfall of the system' doesn't guarantee something better, just something different. If you vote for 'worse', you might simply get an even worse system after the collapse of the present one. Things are bad, but they can still get worse. And when things get worse, the people who get hit the hardest are always those who are already getting screwed in the current system.

[artislife]

10. There are people who are willing to do that

I am not agreeing with it.

I am just explaining that I know and have long conversations with people who feel that bl _owing everything up figuratively, ( I worry about keystroke technology) is better than hanging on for incremental change.

I am not sure they believe things can actually get worse. But zealots of all colors see things in a myopic view.

I think if we look clearly, we will have a better understanding how to argue and perhaps convert.

I had a friend who had been a liberal in the middle kind of way. Her life turned to sh*t with the 2010 collapse. She had a Libertarian son that she loved and supported. He got her to listen to the talking points. It is easier to convert when the system you have relied upon has let you down.

Well, she stopped listening to liberal radio and started saying Rand Paul quotes. She told me she was going to vote for him.

Because of getting rid of the Financial Reserve. Nothing else.

So I found his voting record on bills, no comments just the facts.

I wrote in red beside each one, like his views on abortion, the poor , the environment all the things she had cared about a year before.

I said she could support whomever she chose but to see the entire voting record, because this is what this person does, not what they say they will do.

I was successful in a small way.

There are a lot of people who have one issue. One only that they will accept the rest of the crap for.

[DinahMoeHum]

9. Another BLM "leader" with a questionable resume. . .

This came a few weeks ago, on the heels of Netroots Nation:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

[MissDeeds]

14. Wow

This is getting really bizarre.