He's not gonna beat Clinton ........ Bernie Group

[Ichingcarpenter]

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[newfie11]

1. Go Bernie!

Feel The Bern!!!

[billhicks76]

115. If Barack Can Win Then Bernie Can Win

[djean111]

2. My favorite (today) - "Establishment Dem endorses Establishment Dem!!!!"

In a dead heat for the dripping irony award - "Gore already lost once, it is Hillary's turn!".

And then there is the "Hey, Bernie IS TOO wealthy! $330,000 is more than most Americans are worth!" - well, we are not comparing Bernie to all Americans, are we. Reminds me of that "Poor people have refrigerators, so they are not poor" and "American poor people have it better than other poor people, so STFU".

Oh, and it looks like we may soon have (Protected!) Bernie Group Fact Checkers. Or, as I call it, Mining for Memes.
I am royally amused.

[merrily]

7. djean, may I say again how much I value your brilliant posts?

I sure hope I've said it before. If not, I should have.

"Gore already lost once, it is Hillary's turn!"

But, seriously folks.....

I guess I need to read the Constitution again. I missed the part where losing a primary means you get the nomination next time. Oh, wait, it must be in the William Jennings Bryan Rule. It has to be a New Rule because, in the more recent past, Democrats have not been fond of nominating anyone who lost a primary. They mocked Republicans for the "his turn" meme. And it sure didn't work out for McCain or Romney. The DNC really needs to change that one.

Hillary supporters are saying net worth of $330,000 is too much for a Presidential candidate? That's really rich (no pun intended)

Most of Bernie's money came from the book made of his filibuster against. Can he help it if some people would rather pay to buy his book than look up his filibuster in the Congressional Record?

I've also read at DU that he has too little money.

Hey, that fucker has been making those big Congressional bucks since 1991. Why hasn't he saved more? (Um, maintaining one residence in Vermont and one in D.C. and flying back and forth between them, four children and seven grandchildren probably chewed through a lot of it. Maybe he gives to charity, too. That's just the kind of crap someone like Sanders would pull.)

Bernie Group fact checkers? Bring it. I can only hope they are as hilariously ironic as the comments about his net worth and its being Hillary's turn to lose.

[Babel_17]

37. That was known to be a hallmark of the Republicans (the idea of establishing turns)

Given the nature of their party, it wasn't seen as anything particularly egregious though it obviously limited excitement.

We're either a different kind of party on issues like that, or we aren't.

[merrily]

41. I don't know why we adopted that strategy after McCain and Romney lost the general.

And a former Democratic Vice Presidential candidate couldn't win New Hampshire after practically living there for an entire year. Biden didn't do great in his second Presidential primary attempt, either, though he may do better if he enters this one.

Forget even Republican v. Democrat. It just seems like a losing strategy, esp. in the general.

Or, maybe it's our turn to lose the general? Gee, I sure hope not.

[arcane1]

42. Only a few weeks ago the DU meme was that Sanders didn't have ENOUGH money

And thus is unsuited to be president because he can't manage a budget

Now he's too rich?

[merrily]

43. In fairness, that's two different pots of money. One is campaign funds and the other is personal

funds.

[arcane1]

46. No, seriously, there was an OP that said his personal finances are too low to be president.

I'll have to see if I can find it. The gist was "if that's all he's worth after all these years, then he's a terrible money manager and thus shouldn't be president."

[A Simple Game]

63. That poster would really be upset if Bernie were to be President for 8 years and leave

the White House broke.

Seem as though I heard someone complaining about that a while ago. Can't think who it would be?

[merrily]

74. I saw it too. I mentioned in my Reply 7.

[JDPriestly]

54. Today, Thinking About posted that Sanders votes for military budgets and that

there is a search to see if he took money for doing that.

They dream. They dream and dream of some way to stop Bernie.

But what we see in Bernie's face when he speaks about Citizens United and the horrible influence of corporate money in politics is character and morality and truthfulness. No other candidate has that look.

[PatrickforO]

72. I don't know, man...when you look at some of these turds in Congress, they

are kajillionaires. It makes me feel really good that Bernie, who has barely had a pot to pee in most of his life, has a net worth of only $330K - because that makes him one of us - maybe a tiny bit on the high end, but he still knows how to fill up his own car, how cash registers work and what most people go through on a daily basis - life in the good ol' USA, you know?

But there's one thing sure...Bernie won't EVER waste $300 on a haircut or get some kind of designer suit or drive a Ferrari.

That's what I like about him. That's why I support him with donations, will caucus for him, and why I will volunteer in some way for his campaign. It's time for a populist that's actually one of us.

[artislife]

97. You mean he gives to the poor?

OUTRAGEOUS!!


heh

[merrily]

98. I don't know for certain, but I suspect him

of helping others. It's just the kind of stunt he'd pull.

[strategery blunder]

8. Well, when we look at Bernie's cohort

I'm pretty sure that $330K in wealth makes Bernie one of the poorest Senators because it's not like he's accepting the payola.

[TBF]

24. $21.5 MILLION: Hillary's Net Worth

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/democrats/hillary-clinton-net-worth/

Hillary Clinton net worth and salary: Hillary Clinton is an American politician who has a net worth of $21.5 million. Hillary Clinton most recently served as the Secretary of State under President Barack Obama. She is also served as United States Senator for the state of New York, from 2001-2009. Hillary is married to the 42nd President of the United States, Bill Clinton. Hillary was one of the leading Democratic candidates for the presidential nomination in the 2008 election. She was born in Chicago, Illinois, on October 26th 1947. Hillary graduated from the Yale Law School in 1973. In 1974 she moved to Arkansas. She and Bill Clinton were married in 1975, and have one daughter, Chelsea.

Secretary of State Salary

In 1977, Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for children and Families. In 1978, she was the first female chairperson of the Legal Services Corporation. At Rose Law Firm she was named the first female partner in 1979. Her husband was the Governor for the State of Arkansas, from 1979 to 1981, and again,1983 to 1992. As the First Lady of Arkansas, she successfully led a task force to reform Arkansas's education system. She has also been a member of the board of directors of several corporations, including Wal-Mart.

[merrily]

79. And, if she runs out, her husband will share. In 2008, their assets were $110 million, IIRC.

Soon, we'll be talking real money.

[TBF]

81. Wowza, I thought that WAS combined income.

Holy cow ...

[merrily]

82. If it is combined, they didn't manage the fortune they had in 2008 very well.

Also

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches/

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-company-shows-complexity-family-finances-180745584--election.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/25/1396592/-Bernie-worth-350k-Hillary-worth-between-50m-to-200-million

I bet Chelsea has more than $21 million.

[nikto]

109. Good post!

Keep 'em coming.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. She may beat herself this time around.

She really is a terribly flawed candidate.

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Chapter 6: “The Email That Can Land You In Jail.”

From ABC News:



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tips-deleting-emails-email-book-hillary-clinton-wanted/story?id=33046042



You can’t make this stuff up.

[TBF]

27. No wonder they're floating Biden and Gore -

they have a problem.

[HappyPlace]

111. Oops!

[jonno99]

77. ^^ THIS ^^ All things being equal HRC wins hands down. However, the "keystone cops"

handling of the email server, may provide the critical mass that will be her undoing - by her own hand.

If enough dems find her untrustworthy, they will stay home - or (most likely) vote for Bernie.

Considering the current field, that is...

[LiberalElite]

5. Phew! -

I saw the title and thought "which side are you on?"

[Uncle Joe]

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ichingcarpenter.

[merrily]

9. The difference:

In 2008, no one in the party was saying, "Presidential primaries are why Democrats can't have nice things. No one should be running against Hillary."

Moreover, I believe that Obama was, for the DNC, 2008's Hillary. I know that is not a popular view at DU, but it my firm belief. I don't think Ted Kennedy went rogue to endorse Obama. That was not who he was.

I am not saying Sanders won't get the nomination and you all know how much I hope he does. But, I am ready to exhale. He is going to have to fight for every inch and we are going to have to help him. Whether you can donate $300,000 a month or $3 a month, don't let up. Also, keep spreading the word. The more people hear of him, the more they can't get enough of him.

[Hydra]

28. Sadly correct

Obama and HRC in 2008 were 2 members of the DLC running "against" each other.

Bernie was supposed to disappear into obscurity by now- HRC's massive money and style advantage was supposed to win over any desire for factual content.

Too bad we're in a different world. In 2008 we just wanted Wall St. cleaned up, a green revolution and Bushco in jail. All of the problems have been exacerbated to the point where tossing out Capitalism and other never-ever concepts are being casually voiced, and climate change is making us run on a timer.

Sea change.

[merrily]

31. Technically, two New Democrats running against each other and two DNC insiders.

AFAIK, Obama was never a DLC member, but he was a "self avowed" New Democrat. Too bad he didn't mention that until after his inauguration.

Anyway....

I think, in 2008, they thought Hillary had too much baggage to win. JMO.

She still has all that baggage now, but it's another 8 years away from the Clinton administration. Someone who was 5 when Clinton left office is 20 now. In the interim, she was Secretary of State, which they probably thought would give her more cred. Not sure it will. If she is the nominee, the Republican will attack her on that, too, so old and new baggage.

[rhett o rick]

60. H. Clinton and Obama have pretty much the same ideologies, so Obama had to try

to convince the Left to vote for him. They did and he laughed all the way to the WH. His first action assigned to his Rahmbo was to give the finger to the left.

But Senator Sanders is different than Obama. His years of integrity are bringing people out to support him that had given up on the process. I believe a lot of these people will go back to their Angry Birds if Sanders loses the nomination. That's why I call bunk every time a non-progressive says that Clinton has a better chance of winning. If Sanders wins the nomination, he will carry all his supporters and pick up the votes from Clinton supporters (they are always saying they will support the nominee). Like it or not, the opposite is not true. Like it or not, a lot of Sanders supporters will never vote for Clinton.

[merrily]

62. Thanks Rick. I agree as to Sanders having a better shot at winning the general.

[CrispyQ]

71. Rahmbo!!

[kenfrequed]

73. Gods...

Rahm Emmanuel was one of the reasons I didn't get a renters deposit back on one of my apartments. When I heard about Obama giving him COS I punched the wall. (good thing there wasn't a stud there) And of course there was Geitner and crew too. Grr...

Seriously, we need a serious change up in how the Democratic party functions and Bernie Sanders is our best shot at this.

[rhett o rick]

76. Rahm wasn't such a shock to me as he gave a big hint of what was to come when he picked Rick Warren

to give a prayer at his inauguration. It was a clear message to the conservatives that he liked them best.

[senz]

100. I think Obama thought he could make nice with righties and wanted to be

"President of all the people." I think it was an ideal, a goal. Turned out to be a dream. About six or so months ago he finally woke up. But he still seems to owe somebody TPP.

If Bernie wins, he too will find himself hamstrung by oligarchs and their Republican obstructionists. But I hope that despite this, he will continue to talk straight to the American people and not try to hide the ugly realities -- although of course he will do it diplomatically, b/c that's how he is.

It will be a most interesting administration. Sure hope we get to see it.

[bvar22]

83. Obama verbally distanced himself from the organization DLC in 2007, (?)

and requested that his name be removed from their rolls and website.

Then, on Day One he did this:
[font size=4]
The DLC New Team
Members of the Progressive Caucus Need NOT Apply
[/font]
(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


....and I knew we had been scammed. The Progressive Caucus was locked out of the White House,
and the CBC was reduced to writing letters to President Obama.

[merrily]

86. Yes (sigh) Whaddayagonnadoo

[cascadiance]

88. And this move sealed the deal too!

[bvar22]

90. She should have been kicked to the curb a long time ago.

The fact that the Democratic Party Leadership has NOT done so
says a lot about where the "Democratic Party" is today.

In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:

Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia

Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez

Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo

All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.



FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>

Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.

While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.

Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:

The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537

The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.

They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."

This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html

Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing




A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.

bvar22
Cursed with a memory

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama

With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!

[senz]

101. I don't understand Blue Dog Dems.

Don't know what they want, what motivates them. They make no sense to me.

[CrispyQ]

94. This is the only page of the DNC I visit & I visit it often, for all the good it does.

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

[cascadiance]

85. The main reason that Obama won was that people felt they could "HOPE" he would be better...

... when he ran a more nebulous campaign in terms of specifics about how he would make some real progressive changes when asking for votes, and Hillary was more specific on what she'd do with issues like how'd she engage in military action in the middle east, etc. that they tuned out and "hoped" for a better solution from Barack. Especially many who earlier were supporting Edwards who was more specific in what he'd do, and Obama who was more nebulous, was their second choice.

I think this time around, hope is not good enough for people to vote for a candidate. They want someone with a track record for at least trying to put in place progressive legislation and actions if not doing them, and someone who's been consistent on stances to do these sorts of things. Bernie is that person they want that embodies those wishes, where neither Obama's or Hillary's sort of campaign this time around is what people want to hear from a candidate.

Promises, promises!...

[merrily]

87. To be fair, there was change. He was NOT Bush's third term.

Did I expect/hope for more? Yes

[cascadiance]

89. And that fear card is always played on us to avoid a change being made to the Democrats...

... to go back to the successful party that represented PEOPLE that they used to be. The 1% is playing it this way by having the Republicans become more extreme, and be more of a signpost for "fear" from those in the Democratic Party which are the real threat to their power should they get control of their own party again, and also control of our government too.

Yes, I am afraid of Republicans of the type we have running now getting power, but I'm also confident that most Americans aren't brainless enough to allow that extreme to take office, and I think the real battle now is to help Bernie win the primary where he will have a bigger battle than if he wins the nomination, and for any sane person would be a far better choice than whatever the clown car bandwagon puts up against him.

[merrily]

91. That was no fear card. It was a statement about Obama.

Yes, I am overjoyed that Bernie is running. I will do everything in my power to help him, as long as it's legal.

[cascadiance]

92. Yes, many of us pragmatically voted for Obama in that instance...

... knowing that it is better to vote for someone who voices hope, and hasn't demonstrated specifics of policy agendas that work against what you want. Obama was that choice then. I think now though that a nebulous hope in this election isn't good enough when we have a strong voice, not beset by a personal scandal (despite a lot that the other side is trying to invent to try to push him aside) when we have a choice of Bernie Sanders this time around.

[merrily]

93. I was totally gung ho in 2008. I was pragmatic in 2012.

I was naive. But, I am educable.

[bvar22]

105. Despite claims to the contrary, he also ran as a "Populist".

*Raise taxes on Rich People

*Immediately re-negotiate NAFTA to protect American Jobs

*When I am President, EFCA (Card Check) will be the Law of the Land."

*The best way to preserve SS is to Raise-the-Cap.

*All produce will be labeled with Country of Origin and GMO contents.

*...put on comfortable shoes and walk the line with strikers...


....this is certainly NOT a "Centrist" campaign, but closer to Jim Hightower.

[cascadiance]

75. And I believe that John Edwards was INTENTIONALLY left in the race to "gather liberal votes"...

... by the party PTB so as to keep someone else like a Kucinich for even being a part of the conversation when Edwards drew all of those votes and created just a two way race when he left it right before Super Tuesday.

That won't work this time around. I don't think they have a hold on Bernie like they did against Edwards last time, and this time around those votes wanting real change won't get tossed aside like they were last election to push us in to a choice between two of the DLC again this time.

[bvar22]

84. I have some of the same doubts.

Edwards finished 2nd in the Iowa Primary, but none of the media that night would mention it,
even Keith & Rachel got their orders from above, and never mentioned his name, or that he had finished 2nd to Obama....ahead of Hillary in 3rd Place.
TO the Media...it was ALL about the Hillary/Obama "horse-race".

[CrispyQ]

70. Bernie's top 10 donors don't even add up to Emily's List PAC, #5 on HRC's top 10 list.

[merrily]

80. This is why Bernie needs us.

At least I think I know what EMILY's list expects in return. Goldman Sachs, Time Warner, who knows?

[senz]

102. I loved the way those lists were spun

by HC supporters. With a straight face they claimed that it was the little employees of the big banks who love Hillary -- because the banks are based in NY and she was their beloved Senator from NY, so all these little office workers were Hillary supporters. And one guy always touted Hillary's Emily's List support, never mentioning the banks. Then they said the union bosses were for Bernie.

That's the sort of honesty I would expect from Hillary herself. Maybe that's why they like her.

[merrily]

113. More like the investment bankers are contributing to Hillary and the machinists to Bernie.

The amounts tell the story.

It doesn't pay to worry about what it is said, though.

Focus on Bernie, not DU.

[senz]

118. Definitely.

Yes, the amounts. Good analysis. Thanks!

[trusty elf]

10. Do right wingers ever admit

that they're full of shit?

[thesquanderer]

26. I hope to hear Kristol say the same thing about Bernie

Because any time Kristol says something, you know that the opposite is true.

[NoDakJoe]

11. Now they are all saying nice things about him

as their way of "rat f*#king" Hillary.

[merrily]

16. WTF?

[djean111]

33. I think (but am not certain) that what is meant is that the only reason ANYONE would say

anything nice about Bernie is because they want to tear down Hillary. Some people really believe that.

This goes in the same slop bucket as the assertions that anyone who does not support Hillary is a HATER, or hates women, or is a RW troll, or is anti-Hillary, or whatever. Anyone who does not support O'Malley is an uninformed lemming, too, I gather. As if actual issues and deeds don't count. This is why people feel free to bring up stuff Bernie did 40 years ago, but whinge and clatter NOT FAIR! when things other candidates did or said a few years ago, or fifteen years ago, are brought up. I just laugh.

[merrily]

34. Yes, I got that. But how the fuck is that an appropriate post for this group?

[djean111]

35. Look at the post count. It is a typical defecate and run post. Very typical. n/t

[merrily]

36. I saw the post count. I wish our hosts had delete power.

It doesn't violate TOS, only the SOP of this group. So sending it to a jury won't work.

[TheFarS1de]

119. They truly are ...

grasping at straws now . If that is all they have they may as well admit defeat . #FeelTheBern

[merrily]

120. Focus on Bernie. What anyone says doesn't matter. March 1 will matter.

[senz]

104. So for them it's all "personality." Nothing more.

To the extent that that's true, they're airheads. Life is one big People Magazine for them.

All Bernie does is talk about issues. Eww. Issues. They must think he's really boring.

[A Simple Game]

68. Good point, I knew Rush was praising Bernie but didn't realize the other two were also.

No doubt you are right about their reasons.

[treestar]

12. Bernie is a different case

Just because Obama turned out to beat Clinton against the opinions of William Joe and Rush does not prove anything about this primary.

Bernie is not Obama. So the end of it is correct. These quotes were about Obama.

[merrily]

13. You know you're posting in the Sanders Group, not the BOG or the Hilary Group, right?

[djean111]

15. Didn't you know? The other groups are protected, but the Bernie group is fair game.

In fact, someone in the HRC group called us cockroaches. Yeah, there's a club I want to join.

[merrily]

17. I can't worry about what they call us.

I do have to laugh when they claim we're the nasty ones, though.

[djean111]

21. Ha! I don't worry, in fact, it is sort of reassuring. n/t

[JackInGreen]

23. As long as it

Was on Tony Montanas voice I'm kinda ok with this.

[AlbertCat]

47. But Sanders Isn't Obama

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Everything he said was true.... and not detrimental to Sanders at all.


This thread is a great meme tho'. Because Hillary HAS lost once already so the meme that she is unbeatable...or "It's her turn" and stuff like that are shown in all they ridiculousness.


If someone had posted "Bernie can't win either" or something like that, then I could see reminding someone what group they are in.


But this just reminded us that it is not 2012 and things are indeed very different.


No one want's this group to turn into one of those screeching echo chambers!

Enjoy the notion that Hillary cannot always win and its not "her turn". But also remember things are different.

[merrily]

48. depends on how you read it.

The only reason to praise him (Sanders) is to ratfuck Hillary or the only reason to praise him (Obama) is to ratfuck Hillary.

Also, either way, Hillary is not the center of the Democratic universe.

Do you read that as a post from a Sanders supporter, or as a post from a Hillary supporter?

No one want's this group to turn into on of those screeching echo chambers!

This is a protected group. Quite a few of us would like to feel as safe posting in this group as anyone posting in the Hillary Group.

[AlbertCat]

49. Quite a few of us would like to feel as safe

I support Sanders....obviously.

I assume if you are in this group, you read it like a Sanders supporter.

It's hardly anything to worry about, that post.

Don't think about it too much or you'll twist it into something it isn't.

It's just pointing out, correctly, that it's not 2012.

But the original post that started this tread is still great and points out that Hillary is not the magic win fairy at all.

As I've said from the get-go.... Hillary has waaaaay too much baggage. This is part of it.

[merrily]

51. Thanks, but the only time I can recall not knowing what year it was

was when I was coming out of a coma--and even then I was only one year off.

[AlbertCat]

53. Thanks, but the only time I can recall not knowing what year it was

Your very welcome.


But I'm sure the post you seem so upset over wasn't just for you.

[merrily]

55. Stop it. I moved off that post before 8 this morning. Even then, my entire post was "WTF?"

You're the one making a huge deal of a three-letter post and reminding me what year is, as if I needed a reminder.

[AlbertCat]

64. Stop it. I moved off that post before 8 this morning. Even then, my entire post was "WTF?"

Y'know, there are decaffeinated brands on the market that taste just like the real thing.



(snark gets snark)

[merrily]

66. I thought that people stopped that repeating tactic before grade school.

You've done it in three or four consecutive posts now. You're embarrassing yourself.

Your victim act doesn't wash either. Not a single post of yours to me has been respectful.

Again, it was a post that consisted entirely of 3 letters of the alphabet, made before 8 a.m. You can't let it go, but I'm the one who needs decaf? LOL!

I don't like doing this to a supporter of Sanders, but life is too short /ignore.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

56. You're right, Bernie is way ahead

of where Obama was at this point in 2007!

[djean111]

14. Looks like we need to add "Bernie Group" to thread titles. Like "Obama Group" and "HRC Group"

already do.
Thank you for your kind concern and instruction.

[MissDeeds]

29. +1000

That's an excellent idea. Then they can't claim they weren't aware they're in the Bernie group when they come here and spread their vitriol.

[merrily]

58. That assumes someone would respect the notation.

My experience has been that that is not always true.

I respect someone who comes in by mistake, gets a clue than leaves.

My greatest respect in that regard goes to gman (g-man?). On realizing his mistake, he immediately self-deleted and apologized. Could not possibly have been more respectful.

But, I've also seen people argue after they've been reminded. Infantile, IMO.

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. You need to vote and support Rick

[jonno99]

78. Love it!

[Autumn]

20. You are in a protected group. Post accordingly. This is the only warning you will get.

[Dawgs]

30. Missed the point entirely. n/t

[smokey nj]

32. This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders.

[daleanime]

40. And history doesn't......

have a way of repeating itself?

[merrily]

59. IMO, history is not repeating itself so fair.

I have long believed that in 2008, Obama was the anointed. Whether that is so or not, you have to compare how Obama got covered by msm, esp. MSNBC, with how Bernie is getting covered.

From money to msm, Sanders has a much tougher row to hoe. That means his donors and volunteers HAVE to step up.

[JackInGreen]

69. Nooooo

But sometimes it echos.

[BeanMusical]

99. "Bernie is not Obama."

And it's a wonderful thing.

[Le Taz Hot]

19. The pundintocracy

is a huge echo chamber. It's like someone tells them what to say and they all repeat the same, ignorant talking points without ever questioning it. It's amazing the amount of time they get it dead wrong. And they STILL get paid to be "experts."

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. I find it amusing ....... a lot of games are being played

and people are getting played.

[merrily]

25. Great. Thank you for that.

But, of course, Lennon was wrong. He was far too rich and internationally popular for anything like that to happen to him. Maybe the occasional marijuana bust, but that's about it.

Thomas Drake, on the other hand......

But, since Lennon was both immune and popular, it's great he said it for the rest of us.

[YOHABLO]

110. Plus the fact they tried to deport him for years. He finally won. But the 'Right' hated him.

[merrily]

114. Of course they hated him. Start with the long hair and it's all downhill from there.

And he talk of no war. Cardinal sin.

[AikenYankee]

38. K&R!! nt

[davidpdx]

39. Funny that some of those who actually supported Barack Obama and now support Hillary Clinton

(traitors!) would be stupid enough to think the same thing couldn't happen again.

[avaistheone1]

44. k&r

Great thread.

[SoapBox]

45. That is really funny.

And, the bottom took me by surprise!

Go Bernie!

[colorado_ufo]

50. Isn't the term "wealthy academics" an oxymoron?

[azmom]

52. It fooled me. Hahaha

The political revolution is happening!

[Binkie The Clown]

57. That punchline was a surprise.

A pleasant surprise. Hang in there Bernie!

[cer7711]

61. Heh-heh!

Beautifully done. Thanks for making my day, Ichingcarpenter!

(BTW: Did you mean to write "itching carpenter" when you originally set up your on-line handle?)

[Zorra]

65. Well done!

[Cleita]

67. Buwahahaha!

They are always wrong when the election is honest. I hope Anonymous keeps them honest like they did before.

[boatsnhose]

95. Excellent

[Blue Owl]

96. Gonna go Bern one right now

[Eleanors38]

103. Nice post.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

106. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

[ozone_man]

107. You had me fooled!

You don't expect a revolution, but sometimes they happen.

[PatrynXX]

108. I prefer to go forward. not backwards

Hillary is using old tactics from an old playbook and all things point to going backwards. and also (no not the frapping B word) I have zero trust in Hillary...

[awoke_in_2003]

112. She was going to win 08

but didn't.

[ericson00]

116. politics makes strange bedfellows, after all, you Bernie types repeat the same

peoples' words against the Clintons' honesty and honour, in reality, is impeccable. They're politicians, as is Sanders, Obama, and others.

Also, Barack Obama was not a socialist old dude from a state known to elect independents like Jeffords and Sanders to the Senate, and Obama had an entire ethnic group in his back pocket. Even for the Muslim rumors, opinion polling has shown a Muslim to be more electable than a socialist.

[smokey nj]

117. "Bernie types?"