On This Week today, Brazile mentioned how many precinct captains and super delegates Hillary has.

[merrily]

I didn't take down the numbers, but, of course, they were huge.

We have to donate and volunteer, and work harder and smarter.

Among other things, email everyone you know, get on social media--facebook and twitter, create your own "leaflets" and pass them out, make sure people are registered to vote and/or set up to receive an absentee ballot, if they need one.

Also, please read this post again and take it to heart. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128038373

Blessings to each of you.

[SoapBox]

1. i thought this was interesting...

https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html

i thought that when this was first posted, she was ahead (or am I dreaming)...but look at it now!

Go Bernie!

So the delegat and super delegate things are a problem?!? How are we going to change that? What exactly can we do, if the Entrenched ones can use this power to cast for her?

Sounds bad but I've seen discussion of this issue and I'm not sure what we need to do.

[merrily]

2. My OP for this thread and the much better post to which I linked contain a lot of specific

suggestions.

[snagglepuss]

3. A detailed list of what to do is detailed

at the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128038373

[merrily]

19. The same poster who wrote that wonderful OP gave more info on this thread.

[roguevalley]

23. correct me if I'm wrong but don't these delegates have to be elected first? How can they be

hers before the caucuses and such?

[eridani]

34. In 2007 the superdelegates were alos for Clinton

Deeper into 2008, they started to switch to Obama when they saw which way the wind was blowing.

[azmom]

4. Thank you Merrily. We need to focus on

Getting Bernie's message out to everyone.
Can we start a thread about ideas we may have to promote Bernie?

[merrily]

6. You can use this one for your suggestions, if you like.

Or start a new one. Whatever you feel like doing.

[Doctor_J]

5. meh. The establishment is all in on Clinton, she will win by a lot

And the party will continue to disintegrate, kept alive only by the republicans insanity. We the people have almost nothing to do with the way the country is run any more. The upcoming choice we'll have between these two families



should make that crystal clear.

[merrily]

7. I agree with you on so many things, but I am not in with that degree of defeatism.

This is our shot. Either we give it our very best, or it's on us.

[azmom]

8. We fight until the end. It's a fight worth fighting.

[merrily]

10. Damned right!

After this showing by Bernie, with no money that was not donated by Big Voter, do you really think any Third Way Wall Street Democrat is going to be able to keep a straight face the next time they tell us about their economic plans?

[Divernan]

28. This is the fight of our lifetime in every way -

William Shakespeare » King Henry V » Act 4. Scene III

Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.

This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'

Masterfully delivered by Kenneth Branagh: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechhenryV.html

Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.

This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

[azmom]

29. Beautiful. Bookmarked the website N/t

[artislife]

30. This is one of my absolute favorites

It stirs a feeling from within!

[libdem4life]

11. Totally agree. It's a Tipping Point...Bernie wondered if he had a chance, initiallly.

Hillary (and many others) felt this was earned and in the bag.

Both have shifted as it seems the crowds and the Little People are finding an opportunity/microphone for their collective voices to be heard. The Large Donors are watching their money platform lose influence/starting to crumble.

Time to retrofit the unhappy folk's pitchforks into votes.

[azmom]

13. Pessimism becomes

a self-fulfilling prophecy; it reproduces itself by crippling our willingness to act.”
― Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times

[libdem4life]

15. True, and congrats on your new Bernie Office. I have a very soft spot

in my heart for Arizona...my son was born in Tucson in May. And memories of trying to keep the little guy's bald head covered up...LOL.

(Edit to add born 27 years ago)

[snagglepuss]

24. What a great quote. It ought to be on every Bernie leaflet and poster that

goes out.

[merrily]

14. Bernie has already won.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778005

Real live example: (Red State--hear them roar)

[libdem4life]

17. All I could think of was an old Country Song...

"I like it, I love it, I want some more of it..." It's probably good that's all I remember.

[merrily]

20. It was probably about country music.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/timmcgraw/ilikeitiloveit.html

[JDPriestly]

16. What a disgusting picture. Good heavens!

Clinton looks like a word I dare not use on DU.

Good luck Hillary fans. This is the kind of dumbfoolery you are supporting.

[merrily]

21. To be fair Dimson is known for his really sharp wit.

[Enthusiast]

25. Dumbfoolery is a good word.

[sabrina 1]

26. I have to disagree. The people have enormous power, IF they use it. That is why they clamp down so

hard on movements like OWS or Black Lives Matter because they stop them if possible, before that power grows.

This time we have a chance to do it differently, not by putting our bodies in harms way, but by using the system itself to grow a movement that will be much more difficult for them to suppress with robo cops and weapons and arrests etc.

They will definitely use every tactic they can think of to stop it. But maybe the time is right now, and it's up to the people.

I think it's possible.

[SandersDem]

9. some added help perhaps

Heyas,

Precinct Captains main function is to get their neighbor Democrats out to vote. They may also persuade others at the LD meetings, but they are really critical in the final 2 weeks prior to the general election. Most PCs will do what they can to push voters to the polls regardless of the outcome of primary elections.

Here is the definition of a super-delegate:

A "superdelegate" is a delegate to the Democratic National Convention or Republican National Convention that is seated automatically, based on their status as current (Republican and Democratic) or former (Democratic only) party leader or elected official.

HRC does have a lot of these based on party endorsements from elected officials. More below:

Democratic Party rules distinguish pledged and unpledged delegates. Pledged delegates are selected based on their announced preferences in the contest for the presidential nomination. In the party primary elections and caucuses in each U.S. state, voters express their preference among the contenders for the party's nomination for President of the United States. Pledged delegates supporting each candidate are chosen in approximate ratio to their candidate’s share of the vote. They fall into three categories: district-level pledged delegates (usually by congressional districts);[4] at-large pledged delegates; and pledged PLEO[further explanation needed] delegates. In a minority of the states, delegates are legally required to support the candidate to whom they are pledged.[5] In addition to the states' requirements, the party rules state (Rule 12.J): "Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them."[2]

By contrast, the unpledged PLEO delegates (Rule 9.A) are seated without regard to their presidential preferences, solely by virtue of being current or former elected officeholders and party officials. Many of them have chosen to announce endorsements, but they are not bound in any way. They may support any candidate they wish, including one who has dropped out of the presidential race.[6] The other superdelegates, the unpledged add-on delegates (Rule 9.B), who need not be PLEOs, are selected by the state parties after some of the pledged delegates are chosen,[2] but they resemble the unpledged PLEO delegates in being free to vote as they wish.

Unpledged PLEO delegates should not be confused with pledged PLEOs. Under Rule 9.C, the pledged PLEO slots are allocated to candidates based on the results of the primaries and caucuses.[2] Another difference between pledged PLEOs and unpledged PLEOs is that there is a fixed number of pledged PLEO slots for each state, while the number of unpledged PLEOs can change during the campaign. Pledged PLEO delegates are not generally considered superdelegates.

The process of selecting Democratic Party delegates is described on the Democratic Party's website[citation needed].


Some more interesting reading on super-delegates here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

[merrily]

12. Not perhaps. MOST DEFINITELY. Thank you.

[merrily]

22. Super delegaes have about 20% of the vote and shame on us for not having raised hell about that

before this election. As a result, all we can do is whine about the debates--as if they care what we think.

[AzDar]

18. K & R

[SheilaT]

27. Didn't she supposedly have the super delegates

all locked up in 2008?

Remind me again why she didn't win that year.

[merrily]

31. The super delegates changed their votes as various states went to Obama.

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But this is not 2008.

In 2008, Obama was not challenging the candidate chosen by the Party's PTB; and he was not looked upon as an unwanted challenger. IMO, they Party's PTB thought Hillary had too much baggage and it was too fresh then. Even now, some people have been posting that they don't want to fight all those battles again, but someone who was 12 when Clinton left office is 27. Plus, she became Secretary of State after 2008. Also, Obama accepted corporate donations. Sanders won't.

In all, I would not equate 2008 with 2016. It would be difficult to overestimate how hard a row Sanders has had to hoe.

[winter is coming]

32. I think most of the super delegates will once again shift their votes to reflect

what's going on in the states. I don't doubt that they'd rather support someone who's worn the Dem jersey for years in general and Hillary in particular, but I think more of them would rather see the Dem ticket win than risk losing the election to the GOP. Going against what rank-and-file Dems are supporting is a risky move, and the people it's most likely to alienate are the ones who care enough to be foot soldiers in GOTV efforts.

That Brazile is mentioning the superdelegates and precinct captains at this stage of the game is a hint to me that people are genuinely worried about Bernie.

[merrily]

33. Well, she said it in response to a question she was asked. IIRC, the question was about someone

like Biden getting into the race, still behaving as though Sanders is not a serious threat.

I agree on super delegates and I hope we are right about that. If the Super Delegates will have the nerve to overturn the popular vote, I and others will change party registration and who knows what else--and not because of Sanders or Hillary, either.

But precinct captains are another story.