Three serious questions for my fellow Bernie supporters

[Old Crow]

I'm as excited about the Bernie Sanders phenomenon as anyone. But I'm also a realist. And from the beginning of all this, I've viewed a Sanders presidency as a very difficult thing to achieve. Three things lately are concerning me. Can anyone share some insights on these potential stumbling blocks below? I often see Hillary supporters or people in the media refer to them, but I don't often see possible solutions discussed.

Note: I'm hoping this post is acceptable to the Bernie Group. I think it's vital that we occasionally discuss challenges and not just focus on the happy stuff.

1. Campaign money
In these early stages, Bernie's doing great. I worry, though, that over the long haul he's going to get deluged with wave after wave of negative ads from, first, Hillary, and second, the Republicans. I'm old enough to have learned that you can get the majority of Americans to believe anything if you repeat it enough (see: Kerry, swift-boating). I don't know the figures, but I think Hillary's war chest dwarfs Bernie's and that concerns me. How is Bernie going to counter this? I've heard something about a possibility of accepting public funds, but apparently that has some restrictions; unfortunately, I'm not clear on any of it and would appreciate any insights.

2. Minority support
I keep hearing that Sanders's support among people of color is very low. Are there any signs in the polls that he's making progress? How much support is he going to need among African Americans to be viable? And do you think he can get it? It seems to me that a lot of the AA voters are wedded to Hillary and I don't see this changing.

3. The Biden factor
Biden is still trending at around 14% in the polls. If Biden does not run, does anyone know where that 14% is likely to go? If most of it goes to Hillary, the progress Bernie has made toward Hillary's number will evaporate overnight. I'm concerned more of it would go to Hillary than Bernie because I'm thinking Biden appeals to voters who are supportive of the Democratic status quo.

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That's it. I'll be reading any and all answers carefully and with appreciation for your insights. I come to DU to learn and I'm hoping you guys can help me out.

Thanks!

[zazen]

1. re #1: can professionals donate time to make online videos?

I don't know the answer to this, but I'm confident there are thousands of talented designers, filmmakers, writers, etc., who would happily donate their time to developing online video and still ads.

Does that count as an in-kind contribution with limits? I don't know the answer to that.

Assuming it doesn't and he can crowdsource amazing videos--which I would love to see--the question is how to buy airtime for the voters who still watch television ads.

I assume any group that buys airtime on his behalf is then considered part of a SuperPAC? Aren't there other types of political orgs that can run ads for him that aren't SuperPACS?

For that problem, I don't have an answer.

Good questions and glad you're raising them, although I can understand the hesitation of some here that airing our concerns will just provide ammo for the opposition.

[Old Crow]

6. Interesting ideas.

I definitely think there is far more creativity, energy, and enthusiasm in spreading Bernie's message than I've seen with any other candidate I can remember. So I think it's likely a lot of talented people will contribute their skills. And NOTHING compares with the impact of homemade Bernie signs, which I'm seeing a lot of. Excitement can't be bought, can't be faked, and is contagious.

As far as providing ammo to the opposition, I'm afraid they've been lobbing these shells for a couple weeks already. I'm certainly not giving the diehard Hillary fans any thoughts they haven't been voicing already. I just want us to be a reality-based campaign that's facing up to the challenges ahead. Your ideas moves us in that direction, so thank you!

[sabrina 1]

34. They are already doing this. Professionals donating their talents and time to promote Bernie and

help people get to know him.

Someone posted an OP yesterday regarding Crowdsourcing for Bernie. A group got Bernie's campaign to agree to interviews on different issues.

Bernie explains where he stands, they've posted two Utube so far, not very long, the first one has over 6 million views so far. They will be posting more on various different issues. It really is brilliant.

Then there is Bernie2016TV which was started by a few of Bernie's supporters. It is just two months old and has grown immensely in views and 'likes' and continues to do so. They are looking for volunteers so they can cover every single Bernie event. They are professionals but are donating their time and do not want any money for what they are doing.

THIS is one of the most exciting actions taken by volunteers because as it grows, it is becoming the People's TV where actual issues, not reality TV stars are discussed, and they put lots of interesting stuff on all the time about Bernie.

[zazen]

35. that is AWESOME--but, I'd think DNC/Repub election lawyers would claim this is in-kind donation

Donating professional services is exactly what I've wanted to see. I've done it before, and had designer friends do it before (to non-profits), but from my work with grants I always thought the unpaid labor of professionals was treated as an in-kind donation that was valued at the going market rate. Thus, 27 hours from someone paid at $100/hour would be a $2700 donation (and thus at the limit per one person).

I don't want this to be the case, but I know the oligarchy will stop at little to stop Bernie's momentum, so undercutting his ability to build upon this kind of support would be their next agenda item.

But if it's explicitly legal for supporters to do this and not have their 'time' count . . . then that's AWESOME.

[merrily]

2. What is the goal of your post? Where are you going with this?

Let's say, for the sake of discussion, I respond,

1. Yes, he'll get attacked by candidates who are both richer and more malevolent.

2. African Americans will not back him.

3. Biden will trounce him.

What would your response/recommended course of action be?

[zazen]

4. I think his post was for DU members who respond in good faith, not snark n/t

[merrily]

5. Where is the snark in my post?

[zazen]

26. Sanders himself wants actively thinking supporters, not those who defer thinking to his strategists

It did seem snarky to me. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

I guess I'm bothered by the responses here (not just you) that suggest that "Sanders staff has considered this and therefore you people shouldn't be questioning it."

This is OUR MOVEMENT. Why we support Sanders so much is that it's about a bigger movement, not just him. We're all campaign advisers and strategists. The politics of being good little audience members who vote when told but aren't actively involved in campaigning needs to stop.

It is fair to ask these questions, because it's our movement. He's spearheading it, but this movement belongs to all of us, as he reminds us constantly. It is vital that we actively figure out how to persuade more Americans to support him in the face of obvious DNC corruption, a vast neoliberally controlled mainstream media, and an overall system corrupted by corporate contributions.

[merrily]

32. Not just me? I didn't say that at all.

I guess I'm bothered by the responses here (not just you) that suggest that "Sanders staff has considered this and therefore you people shouldn't be questioning it."

[Old Crow]

9. Where I'm TRYING to go is toward solutions.

For the sake of discussion, had you responded #1, #2, and #3, I'd say you're being a defeatist. Difficult challenges can be surmounted.

But hoping they'll go away by not talking about them isn't much of a strategy.

[merrily]

12. " But hoping they'll go away by not talking about them isn't much of a strategy." Good thing I never

suggested that as a strategy then.


No snark in my question, but snark in the reply.

[Old Crow]

17. I'm not trying to argue with you.

Nor am I trying to be snarky. Your first post suggested to me that you thought it was better not to raise these issues. If I misunderstood your post, my apologies.

[sabrina 1]

36. First, the 'Bernie has a problem with minorities' meme was a talking point being pushed

hoping that before minorities got to know him, he would be smeared enough they wouldn't WANT to know. That hasn't worked, mostly because it wasn't true. His only problem with minorities was NAME RECOGNITION. As it was initially with everyone.

Here are the FACTS about that part of your question.

If you remember, last Jan Bernie's name recognition, with EVERYONE, was practically zero.

So the first hurdle he had to overcome was to make his name FAMILIAR to as many people as possible.

Among AAs eg, his name recognition was approx the same as it was with everyone else.

The polls reflected this, he was at around 3% in Jan of this year.

So his campaign apparently decided they needed to focus on critical states to get his name known there first.

I believe their strategy was based on the theory that 'success breathes success'. If he could prove he could win either or both of those states, he would be taken very seriously, get more media coverage as a result and it would begin to snowball as his newfound supporters volunteered to tell others and so on.

So they focused on NH and Iowa, and while they were doing that, they were masterfully using Social Media to familiarize more people with Bernie and his message.

This strategy has been an amazing success, as everyone knows by now.

Next, Bernie has a lot of influential friends in minority communities.

AND he has now attracted the attention of former Hillary supporters, see rapper Lil B eg, who has over a million followers on Twitter alone.

Lil B has told his followers about Bernie's Civil Rights history and has stated this as a main reason why he switched from Hillary to Bernie. Several other AA rappers and musicians have also come out to endorse Bernie. THIS is very helpful in getting Bernie's message into minority communities.

He also has many friends in the AA community who are part of the Civil Rights movement, ongoing as everyone knows. He has met with, eg, Jesse Jackson, been on his radio show recently as a Special Guest, reaching more people.

There are other strategies the campaign and even more important, the hundreds of thousands of volunteers, who are working night and day in every state, that are being used to get him that all important Name Recognition.

And it's working. Just this week, a prominent AA pastor 'switched from Hillary to Bernie' citing similar reasons as Lil B, Killer Mike et al, his Civil Rights history, his voting record etc that as soon as they learned about, they were sold.

But you have a point. Bernie's main hurdle from the start was introducing himself to tens of millions of people none of whom had ever heard of him before.

And from what I've read, half the country still doesn't know who he is.

So to answer your question 'what can be done', that is up to us, his supporters.

Eg, if you are in an area where there are minority communities, talk to them, hold meetups, put posters around, hand out bumper, organize groups to make fliers etc.

This IS happening now in many places, just saw a post here from another DUer who is busy in Dayton, Ohio spreading the word about Bernie to that part of the community that has more or less stopped voting.

Volunteers taking action is what got Bernie THIS FAR.

Those efforts ARE increasing as more people get to know him.

Will there be enough time to get his name out there to EVERYONE who is likely to, or COULD be persuaded to vote?

That is the main problem.

Hillary has had decades to get her name out there. Bernie has months.

So, rather than wonder what to do. I am contacting everyone I know, minorities, non-minorities, telling them about Bernie and the response has been fantastic so far.

Action is what is needed.

The problem is mostly NAME RECOGNITION so that is what we have to address.

Thanks for raising the questions, and for giving me a chance to list some of the solutions people are already working hard on and could use as much help as possible.

[Old Crow]

37. Thank you!

This was awesome information--just what I'm looking for. I think you've nailed it in terms of a "success breeds success" strategy in terms of New Hampshire and Iowa. I'll be doing my part in SE Pennsylvania to get the word out. As you put it so well, Hillary has had decades to get her name out, while Bernie has months.

Thanks again, Sabrina!

[sabrina 1]

39. It's an awesome task to get the word out to so many millions of people. But since we have come

this far, and I remember the first responses to his announcement were along the lines of 'how on earth do you expect someone who is at 3% in the polls to win a presidential' I'm very hopeful now.

Lol, I was worried about that also, but decided that the best thing to do was to tell as many people as possible about him, to just keep doing whatever I could do, no matter how little, and if everyone else did that too, who knew what might happen?

Now there is really no doubt in my mind that he could win, so long as everyone plays fair.

He has done this without Corporate money, without much help from the Corporate Media, or the Dem Party leadership so far.

So I think we can do it!

Great that you can do your part in SE Penn. I am upstate NY in a fairly conservative area, but they are not the kind of extremists we are familiar with in the Repub party.

Most are farmers and people who work hard for a living, they don't talk much about politics, but when they do, it's like everyone else, they want this country to do better for all Americans.

It IS a challenge, but challenges can be fun!

Thanks for the thread and good luck in Penn!

[Old Crow]

40. Thanks!

Incidentally, I always look for the figure skates in threads. I enjoy your posts.

[sabrina 1]

43. Thank you! Regarding your question about how Bernie will finance his campaign. Can he get enough

to compete with corporate funded candidates?

I remember he said he had thought very hard about this before he ran. He calculated that what he would need to run the kind of campaign he wanted to run, he would need $44,000,000. I think that is the correct amount.

First, he doesn't run negative ads on TV. THAT is a huge cost to those who are taking corporate money.

Second, he intended for this campaign to be fueled by an 'army of volunteers' on Social Media.

He takes every invitation to appear on Corporate Media shows, which is also free.

Remember, the Arab Spring happened mostly on Social Media, certainly there was no media coverage that was positive in their own countries.

Occupy Wall St, same thing. They knew the MSM would either NOT cover them, same thing with the anti-War protests, or if they did, it would be biased and mostly negative.

So they 'brought their own media'. They used every tool available on Social Media, and to make a long story short, they didn't need the MSM who finally saw that NOT covering them, wasn't working.

Without the MSM, OWS spread like wildfire across the country and even the world.

Eg, each time there was an arrest, protesters filmed it, then put it up on Social Media, Utube, FB, Twitter etc.

Bernie was an early supporter of OWS and many of them are now working for his campaign and very effectively.

So the volunteer army he is gathering is worth millions as they use their tech skills, their journalistic and organizational skills because they believe it is so important.

There again, while his opponents will spend millions on this kind of advertising he has so many professional people doing it for him for nothing.

See Bernie2016TV eg, which just started two months ago and now has half a million viewers with more every day.

Not to mention that nearly half a million individual people have donated to his campaign and I think he is likely to reach his goal way sooner than he expected.

He doesn't spend money on polling, eg. Hillary's campaign spent nearly one million up to last time we got stats on that.

And I'm sure everyone else is doing the same.

And each time he gets some new supporters, his small donations increase.

Plus supporters are doing stuff on their own to help raise money for him.

I think he's showing that candidates DON'T need all that money they say they need.

So far, his campaign has been exceptional and he has spent very little money.

[Old Crow]

44. Again, great information.

I don't know if you are allied with the Sanders campaign in any official capacity, but if not, you should be. You are a great representative. Thank you for taking my questions in the right light.

Go, Bernie!

[sabrina 1]

46. No, I'm not allied with the campaign unfortunately! But I feel I can do more by gathering

information and sharing it, such as THIS thread, where I took your questions to be legitimate. And I know people WILL be asking questions as they should. So if I can answer them in any way, I feel that is what I can do to help the campaign.

If I see anything interesting, I post in this group and on other Social Media sites also, so long as it is from a credible source.

I have zero tech skills, lol, otherwise I would volunteer for Bernie2016TV as they need volunteers. I would love to be able to help do what they are doing.

But I can spread that around so other people know they need volunteers, and if anyone is qualified, they might want to be involved in that very exciting project.

I'm glad you asked the questions, not just for yourself, but other people read who do not post, who might also have questions.

On second thoughts, lol, I guess in a way I am involved in the campaign, we all are, but not officially, in the way Bernie was hoping for, in a grassroots way!

[djean111]

14. I am absolutely certain that Bernie and his campaign team thought about this before he

declared he was running, and I am absolutely certain that Bernie and his campaign team have a plan. We all just need, IMO, to work at spreading the word.

I am also absolutely certain that Bernie gave a great deal of thought to all of your concerns, and did not approach this like Mickey Rooney shouting "Hey! Let's Put On A Show! to Judy Garland. Not meant as snark, but some of the "concerns" I hear seem to assume Bernie has been sitting in his Vermont back yard eating Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream for the past fifty years. Bernie knows how this stuff works.

If I am only supporting a candidate because of money and minorities and name recognition - I am sorry to say this, but I won't support a candidate.

[Old Crow]

19. Fair points.

Bernie and his team have performed incredibly well up to now. I thought his response to the BLM Seattle protest, for example, was brilliant. It stands to reason that they've been thinking of these issues long before I thought of them. Thanks.

[zazen]

3. PS: what I'd LOVE to see NOW are Hollywood buys of ads defusing the term "socialism"

We need to do that now, because the majority of voters don't understand that his socialism is no more like Castro, or worse, Stalin, than our capitalism is like Hitler's or Mussolini's. Actually, our capitalism is more like . . . well, don't answer that.

But funny things--cartoons, ads, stuff that strikes that note that Michael Moore did when when he played USSR 1940s music while showing video of main street American libraries, fire stations, road signs, etc.--we've got to proactively educate the public about this now before the screaming starts of "socialism, socialism."

We've got to change the conversation, and plenty of wealthy Hollywood types could go ahead and fund ads to educate the public without mentioning Sanders' name. I think this is ethical in any case because America needs to go in this direction whether it's Sanders, O'Malley, Warren, or any other economic populist.

[Old Crow]

20. That would be great.

Agreed. I'd love to see ads explaining that America is "socialist" in a lot of ways already--the U.S. Forest Service firefighters out in Washington state being a good and timely example.

That said, I didn't include the label "socialist" in my list of concerns for a reason. Those who arrived at voting age after the Cold War, in many polls, rank socialism more favorably than capitalism. If those younger voters get to the polls, we'll be in good shape.

I think the GOP is probably thinking the word "socialist" will do enormous damage. But most of America doesn't view the word like the far-right does--ergo, among people planning to vote for Sanders or thinking of voting for him, money spent on "Sanders = Socialist" ads will be wasted.

[sabrina 1]

41. Good points. Polls show that 47% of Americans would vote for a Democratic socialist

and among young people, 7 out of 10 WANT a Socialist Democratic Govt. People understand that this is a European concept and that it works very well in those countries.

So, while at first they did try to use this against Bernie, he wisely embraced it and then explained it and so far it doesn't seem to bother anyone, in fact people, once they know what he is talking about, WANT that kind of government. He's a very good teacher!

[djean111]

7. Your concern is noted.

campaign money - I believe Bernie can do just fine with our contributions. And Hillary is throwing many millions into thins like TV ads that many people do not even see. If Bernie wins the nomination, the DNC will throw their weight and money behind him.

Minority support - I think the Clinton grasp on that is vastly overrated. I also think we will start to see more lies and smears like the one from Joaquin Castro, which indicates to me that minorities are not as in the bag as the HRC camp would have us believe. I about threw up when I read that, as a woman, I would of course vote for Hillary. As voters get access to more information from the net, I think they are less and less inclined to vote in lockstep, and I think it is insulting, actually, to say they will.

Biden - I really think the only person who can be hurt by Biden is Hillary, if Biden runs. The polls you are talking about are really name recognition polls.

My grandson's contemporaries, the Reddit set, are a fairly new construct for politics and elections. Bernie's Reddit? Almost 96,000 members. Hillary's Reddit? About 600. The younger voters don't hate her, they just don't care about politics as a team sport. If they cannot vote for Bernie, they may just not vote at all, right or wrong. Hillary is same old corporate crap to them. They will not see the TV ads, they will not be taken in by mailers. They Google everything. They will watch the debates carefully. They like what Bernie has to say and they would have been happy with Liz Warren. This is not a personality-based thing.

I am starting to feel just like them.

[Old Crow]

15. Thank you so much.

1. Campaign money. You make a key point. As more and more voters are becoming informed via social media and websites, massive advertising budgets spent on TV commercials have less and less impact. This is not the 1970s. Also, I wasn't thinking about DNC money coming Bernie's way if he gets the nomination. Great stuff.

2. Minority support. I hope you're correct on this one. I guess South Carolina's primary will be a key indicator of Bernie's minority support. I personally think he'll pick up a lot of minority support from the debates. Sincerity is unmistakable. Whether he'll pick up enough support, I'm not sure.

3. Biden. I agree that Hillary will take more of a hit than Bernie if Biden runs. What I'm wondering is, where will the 14% in Biden's column go if he doesn't run? I agree that this early, a lot of responders to the polls are demonstrating nothing more than name recognition. Bernie's going to continue to climb in all polls in the months ahead, I have no doubt of that.

Wonderful insights about your grandson and "the Reddit set" (great term there, by the way). I agree, and I'm hopeful that the support of the younger voters will be a big part of what sweeps Bernie into office.

Thanks again!

[cascadiance]

31. I agree with this. I don't think Biden not running will send all of his supporters to Hillary...

If they are supporting Biden now instead of Hillary, they have reasons to not be big Hillary fans in supporting Biden, who is well known to the public, where in many cases Bernie is not.

Now the big question is why they've supported Biden instead of Bernie so far. Like you said, I think a big part of that is name recognition, and the media fueling good vibes to him and/or Hillary versus Bernie.

Some may feel the need to shift to Hillary, but I'd ask what concerns about Bernie would have them choose Hillary over Bernie as a person to turn to. Still haven't heard any good reasons on any big issues where Hillary is second best to Biden for Democrats verus Bernie being second best to Biden. I really can't think of any reasons, other than the "notion" that Hillary can win with the PTB pushing her and the way the system works, which they might feel that Biden might be more apt to inherit that kind of support rather than Bernie. But on issues, unless they LIKE what the bankruptcy bill gave us, or perhaps the TPP, I don't see them switching to Hillary based on issues.

[HassleCat]

8. It depends on Clinton

If Sanders gets the nomination, he will need help from Clinton. And vice-versa. I don't know how enthusiastic Clinton would be about supporting Sanders. I know some of her DNC colleagues really, intensely dislike Sanders.

[merrily]

13. If Sanders get the nomination, he will either get the party's backing or the party will regret it.

The Party has been mishandling Sanders' run from the start. It missed a huge opportunity to reel back lots of Democrats who left the Party.

[HassleCat]

16. The other argument

"We can never allow this to happen again. We must ensure an outsider does not come in and steal the nomination. Toward that end, we must encourage Democrats not to vote for president." Could happen.

[merrily]

18. How is that a counter to what I posted?

[HassleCat]

21. I don't know

All I'm saying is, it depends on what they regret more. They could regret losing the presidency if they fail to support Sanders, or they could regret losing control of the nomination process if Sanders wins the presidency.

[merrily]

22. They will regret losing even more voters than they already have. See the 2010 and 2014 mid terms.

Losing the Presidency is one thing. Losing their own seats is another.

[Old Crow]

25. Great point.

I'm sure you're right: self-preservation will, at some point, cause even the most reluctant of the DNC members to support Sanders if his momentum continues to build.

[merrily]

27. I was responding to a poster who suggested Democrats would not support him if he wins the nomination

[sabrina 1]

42. Well, it wouldn't be the first time that when a party simply doesn't represent the people anymore,

the people either take over the party, which is what probably will happen, not just the WH but Bernie supporters won't be supporting any Corporate candidates when they have a choice as they usually do, but those progressives rarely get support from the current leadership. That is going to change in the next election.

People understand how vitally important it is for Bernie to have a Congress that also represents the people.

So watch for who is running for Congress and the Senate also.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

45. If the Party doesn't back Bernie 1,000%

I will change my lifelong Dem registration to independent. I care more about Bernie's movement than I do about the DNC.

[Old Crow]

23. It will certainly be interesting.

I remember being incredibly frustrated at how intensely resistant Hillary was to yielding to Obama. If I remember correctly, she dug her heels in long after it was clear she had no hope of besting him.

[merrily]

28. She dug in her heels to the end to show just how many supporters she had.

This gave her leverage to bargain over what she wanted in return for support for Obama's general run from the Clintons for the Obama run in the general.

Remember, the PUMA movement.

[Old Crow]

29. Apologies, but I've forgotten so much of all that...

... or never was aware of it in the first place. What did she gain by holding out like that?

[tecelote]

10. Bernie is a rare bird indeed.

1. He needs a groundswell of support from average people - like he's getting. Regular people who are sick of our politicians being owned. More important than money is the enthusiasm - which he is getting.

-plus, Hillary has a lot more to worry about from negative ads.

2. He just needs to keep talking.

3. Hillary may get Biden's votes. For Bernie to win, he needs to be a completely new type of candidate. Like he is.

"I'm as excited about the Bernie Sanders phenomenon as anyone." - if that's true why wouldn't you support Bernie in the primaries?

This isn't about another President. Bernie is about changing the direction of America.

[Old Crow]

24. Thank you for your thoughts.

1. I agree about the enthusiasm. I also agree--and I hadn't really thought of this until your comment--that Hillary has a lot more vulnerability to negative Republican ads than Bernie. A lot more. I suspect that the Republicans will make a mistake and spend a lot of energy and money on "Bernie = Socialist" ads, because that's all they've got to throw at him. But the word "socialist" isn't a kiss of death among those who are voting for, or who are considering voting for, Sanders.

2. Agreed. I do think he'll pick up more minority support from the debates. His sincerity--and the pro-common-man simple truth behind his positions--win people over every time he speaks. Obviously, Wasserman-Schultz recognizes this, what with her intransigence on the limited and late debate schedule.

3. I agree with you here, too. I absolutely agree that Bernie mustn't try and become more "Bidenesque" to gain those votes (nor would he consider it, I don't think). Has Biden hinted as to whom he favors, Hillary or Bernie? If he doesn't run, I wonder if he'll make any kind of endorsement.

Lastly, I absolutely support Bernie in the primaries; no question of that.

Thanks.

[RoccoR5955]

11. Not IF, but WHEN Bernie gets the nomination

Let's be positive here folks.
Clinton supporters see her as the ordained one.
We know that Bernie has WE THE PEOPLE. People vote, money does not. People trump money, when the people are activated.

Biden isn't running either

And believe it or not, Bernie does, in fact have the support of people of color.

The hardest thing will be getting people of all colors out to the polls on our respective primary days.

Remember this: The people, united, shall never be defeated!

[Old Crow]

30. You might be right.

Sometimes focusing on negatives and what-if's gets you nowhere and only saps momentum.

At the same time, I see what goes on in the HRC echo chamber, where everything is "wonderful" and HRC is "not at all concerned" about Bernie Sanders, and I think it's a weakness.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[HereSince1628]

33. The DeMoine Register poll suggest Biden support could broadly split

between the candidates with HRC getting ~4-5%.

It considered the circumstance of Biden in and Biden out.

[Old Crow]

38. Great info; thanks! (N/T)