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Related: About this forumCRYSTAL BALL: This is how Bernie will win
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Can GOP Party Bosses Rig the Rules to Keep Trump from Winning? You Bet!
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/can-gop-party-bosses-rig-rules-keep-trump-winning-you-bet?akid=13485.227380.OTopoO&rd=1&src=newsletter1042591&t=3
...Republican Party bosses could rig the arcane rules governing awarding delegates and convention votes to keep the nomination from Trump.
I think they will eventually, said Curly Haugland, a Republican National Committee member from North Dakota and longtime RNC Rules Committee member, in an interview before Wednesdays presidential debate. This process was set up for Bush or Walker to winestablishment guys.
Though Haugland is one of 168 RNC members, hes a maverick whos been making the eyebrow-raising argument that the rules governing the 2016 convention are filled with contradictions that nullify whatever occurs before the opening gavel hits the podium in Cleveland next Julyincluding the primary seasons results. Convention delegates and nobody else, he says, get to choose the 2016 presidential ticket.
Everybody is depending on these primary results, except it is all built on a house of cards, a fabricated reality, he said. Everybody wants to have a presumptive nominee. Theres hundreds of millions of dollars at stake to buy votes for primary elections. The votes they are buying are worthless. Nobody wants to hear that story.
Haugland spent an hour on the phone patiently dissecting the RNCs 21-page rule book. Delegates are not bound to vote for any candidate once the convention opens, he said, citing various sections. Winner-take-all delegate allocations from the states are prohibited, he said, even though thats what RNC attorneys want many states to agree to after March 15. The convention is run under Roberts Rules of Order, not legally bound by state election results. And with so many candidates, its likely that no one will reach the RNCs required threshold to put names officially into nomination, he said, which is a majority of RNC members from 8 states or U.S. territories backing a candidate.
As Haugland said, nobody wants to hear that story, because all of the (primary) votes go away....
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/can-gop-party-bosses-rig-rules-keep-trump-winning-you-bet?akid=13485.227380.OTopoO&rd=1&src=newsletter1042591&t=3
...Republican Party bosses could rig the arcane rules governing awarding delegates and convention votes to keep the nomination from Trump.
I think they will eventually, said Curly Haugland, a Republican National Committee member from North Dakota and longtime RNC Rules Committee member, in an interview before Wednesdays presidential debate. This process was set up for Bush or Walker to winestablishment guys.
Though Haugland is one of 168 RNC members, hes a maverick whos been making the eyebrow-raising argument that the rules governing the 2016 convention are filled with contradictions that nullify whatever occurs before the opening gavel hits the podium in Cleveland next Julyincluding the primary seasons results. Convention delegates and nobody else, he says, get to choose the 2016 presidential ticket.
Everybody is depending on these primary results, except it is all built on a house of cards, a fabricated reality, he said. Everybody wants to have a presumptive nominee. Theres hundreds of millions of dollars at stake to buy votes for primary elections. The votes they are buying are worthless. Nobody wants to hear that story.
Haugland spent an hour on the phone patiently dissecting the RNCs 21-page rule book. Delegates are not bound to vote for any candidate once the convention opens, he said, citing various sections. Winner-take-all delegate allocations from the states are prohibited, he said, even though thats what RNC attorneys want many states to agree to after March 15. The convention is run under Roberts Rules of Order, not legally bound by state election results. And with so many candidates, its likely that no one will reach the RNCs required threshold to put names officially into nomination, he said, which is a majority of RNC members from 8 states or U.S. territories backing a candidate.
As Haugland said, nobody wants to hear that story, because all of the (primary) votes go away....
Let's assume that the GOP is sufficiently stupid as to pull this. The disenfranchised will have nowhere to turn but Bernie. Yes, some of them may be so shriveled inside as to vote GOP no matter what, but those that truly want change....well, those are the voters Bernie wants.
Once the GOP delivers the disaffected to Bernie, he can mold, educate and direct them into becoming better citizens.
The only thing We Democrats have to do, is make sure nobody at the DNC tries this kind of stunt on us!
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CRYSTAL BALL: This is how Bernie will win (Original Post)
Demeter
Sep 2015
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)1. If the GOP can do it to Trump, the Dem Party can do it to Sanders.
Electoral college shenanigans are a danger across the board.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)2. I just don't think they are stupid enough (or arrogant enough) to try
because the consequences would be VERY ugly.
Whereas the GOP grassroots is more or less complicit with their own immolation. Also, I really don't think the support for Trump is more than skin deep.
leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)5. Actually in the 2008 primaries
Obama had the delegates and Hillary had the popular vote.
Which I wasn't aware of until reading all this news about Bernie.
And let's not forget George Bush lost the election to Al Gore but of course
we all know what happened there. Unfortunately we aren't so different
than some 3rd world countries when it comes to the rich and powerful
driving the so called free elections here.
Just my two cents.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)6. Any supporting links? I'd like to see that
PFunk1
(185 posts)3. True (In fact I expect it)
But it the dems will have a lot of PO'd and disenfranchised part of it's base who will not turn out on election day if they really are stupid enough to do it that way to Bernie. Which means a repug win and a very fractured democratic party for years to come.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)4. Hope for the Best, Plan for the Worst