So some do not consider us real Democrats? Want us to leave the party?

[madfloridian]

This is beyond sad now. I could say I have been a Democrat since the first time I ever voted. I could say that I have supported candidates in the primary who lost, but I have always voted for the nominee.

But why bother anymore? Seems some paint us all with the same broad brush..."NOT Democrats."

The Need For A Divorce

I've encouraged the Sanders supporters at DU to leave the Democratic Party and to go form their own. They're not Democrats in the truest sense, they're totalitarians who require unquestioned allegiance, as several of you have noted. FDR would want nothing to do with them. But they, of course, don't want to do the heavy lifting of forming their own party. Better to pirate what someone else built. Is anyone really surprised at this?

Why do Sanders supporters need to go elsewhere? Despite what they claim they believe, their actions spell out their motivations all too clear. They will never be happy within the Democratic Party unless they have things 100% their way and with everyone in the party 100% in agreement with them. Even those who have been members for 50+ years will, in essence, have to swear an oath to all things "progressive" as defined by them. All you have to do is see how upset they are that you're "permitted" (from their POV) to talk about Sanders on this site where they can't shut you up. Is there any doubt they'd be any different should he win the election? A party like that either becomes a dictatorship or it crumbles. And don't believe for a second the Sanders supports have any problem with dictatorships, especially when it means they'd get their way.

...When Sanders does not get the nomination (and he won't), his supporters need to be told in no uncertain terms to go away. We don't need them. They're nothing but trouble. Why the hell would we want to embrace a group that we know is going to be nothing but a thorn in our side? All your going to get from them is "I'll hold my nose and vote for her, but I'm not going to pretend she's not a war hawk and a corporate $@#*%!!!!!! And I'm still going to call her that!!!!" You really think the Party needs people in it like that?? Has Obama needed that shit?? Hell NO!

Oh, but some will say we need them to win the election. I strongly disagree. Look, if you have to win by having them on board, you've already lost before you started. I think showing them the door is the best thing for not only the Party, but for the country. And the break-up, which is coming at some point, is going to be worse later than now.

I have never had a post hidden, and I take pride in that.

But sometimes some things need to be pointed out.

[truebluegreen]

1. Written by a self-described "big donor" to the Democratic party.

How curious that is, and what a coincidence that he/she doesn't care for Bernie.





That site is a cesspool, but I'm glad I know about it now.

[Warpy]

3. That "big donor" is an idiot, then

because whoever the candidate is will need every single vote to overcome GOP cheating, the one thing we can be sure will happen.

[truebluegreen]

8. Yup....

or that "big donor" is full of it in other ways.

[dorkzilla]

20. Naturally, a “big donor” would be crestfallen that he can’t buy this candidate

If Sanders prevails everything changes and they won’t be invited to any more $5,000 per plate dinners and pretend they're with the “in” crowd.

[truebluegreen]

65. Yup.

[malokvale77]

67. I think the "big donor"...

is more interested in the bottom line than invites to "in" crowd dinners.

Yes, everything changes if Bernie prevails. Bernie is bad for certain businesses (If you know what I mean).

If this country gets serious about climate change (Bernie is, Hillary isn't) and the role of fossil fuels in said climate change, "big donor" will be crying crocodile tears.

[malokvale77]

61. "big donor"...

gives even more to GOP candidates.

Bernie isn't good for the bottom line.

[truebluegreen]

66. Yup.

They are so easy to spot, aren't they?

[malokvale77]

70. Yes they are.

Here's to the awakening .

[truebluegreen]

71. Yup!

[roguevalley]

79. amazing. My family has been part of the dem party since it was formed in 1796.

Fuck them if they want me to leave. Fuck them if they think we aren't dems. Fuck them just because. Idiots.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I've been a Democrat since I was first able to vote some 45 years ago.

I'm not a registered Democrat only because my state does not register voters by party. But I've always voted for Democrats and have always considered myself to be one. But I support Bernie, so I guess that must mean I'm not really a Democrat, but some kind of anti-freedom totalitarian who requires everybody to swear an oath of fealty to Bernie. WTF? The thousands of other Democrats who have come out for Bernie in droves are not needed?



Seriously, I think it's sad that the contest between two legitimate candidates has devolved to this kind of nonsense.

[OnionPatch]

85. Same here.

56 years old, registered Democrat since age 18, and never voted for a Republican in my life. I voted for a local independent a few times but never voted anything but Democratic in state and presidential elections. I've supported the Democrats by being active in local Democratic groups. Hell, I rode on the Obama float in the local town parade. But apparently I'm not a Democrat anymore because I support Sanders over Clinton? Unbelievable. If they truly think they can get anywhere without people like us in the party, they've lost their minds.

[LiberalElite]

4. Holy Crap -

do they project or what?

[Hydra]

74. That's what I was going to say

The DLC/Third Way/Moderate Republicans make up less than 10% of our party. Too bad they make up ALL of what's wrong with it.

[pinebox]

5. I could give a rats ass

I'm an indy and I love that I am. I'm personally fed up with both parties and have been for 2 decades. Both are sell outs to the 1%.
The only people who intrigue me right now serving are Sanders and Warren, the rest can go fly a kite.

[Bohunk68]

6. I'm at the point that with charges and counter-charges flying at over a year before the actual

election, I am going to ignore all of them. You see, I can no longer trust who is behind who writing what. So, I really like Bernie, what he says, what he stands for and why. So, I will vote for him, if he is still in the NY Dem Primary. Come the GE, I will vote for whatever Democrat gets the nod. After all, the Fuckuplicans have never done a damn thing for me and mine.

[Stuart G]

22. Good Point...it is a year away from the election, and you also said something very very important..

Who knows what will happen? One post somewhere far away from DU means as much as ..one post far away from DU....this one sentence you wrote says it all for me and many others...thank you for saying it in such a simple and easy to understand way...

" I will vote for whatever Democrat gets the nod. After all, the Fuckuplicans have never done a damn thing for me and mine".

[katsy]

7. Ah the "love it or leave" meme

Ignorant in any form and never helpful.

By their logic... Should I tell my kids to leave the human race when they get all critical of my generation?

That site is vile and of no help to HRC.

[Jackilope]

19. reminds me of the Bush years. "If you aren't for us you are against us."

Life is too short for stupid 8th grade girl drama.

We finally have a candidate that is for the people. A once in a lifetime opportunity. Let's not allow the negative drama seekers side track us. Poison eventually eats away at the container it stews in.

Upping my donation and #feelingthebern!

[katsy]

62. You said it better than I

[awoke_in_2003]

87. Remember the

"America- love it or leave it" bumper stickers in the 80s? These people have always been binary thinkers at best. Any time I hear "why don't you just leave" I tell them I would, if I had the dough to swing it. America isn't a fun place for atheists.

[questionseverything]

29. That site is vile and of no help to HRC.

makes me wonder if the site is not dedicated to hurting all democratic candidates

anyone can pretend to be anything on the net

[katsy]

68. Exactly what I was thinking.

Paid trolls.

They r everywhere political.

I was reading an op which pointed out tweets calling the pope a Marxist. 3 different trolls all handily throwing the term Marxist around as if it's part of their normal vocabulary. Like they understood what they were tweeting.

Not a chance these ppl were anything but paid.

Same with the post we're discussing. So eloquently contrived.

[Demeter]

9. Fascist is as fascist does

Hope this "big donor" finds a more congenial home with the Tea Baggers. They need the money, and will do just about anything for it....

Why should the majority of DU be invited to go form a new party? We are busy remodelling this one, and god knows, it needs some updating.

And accusations of a Bernie Sanders personality cult? That's a good way to show that the Candidate that shall not be slandered has no platform worthy of the name, and it's dangerous to stand upon. Bernie isn't winning this with his personality...but his personality isn't the big handicap that some others have from their candidates, either.

Unquestioned allegiance? In which galaxy, and to what Crowned Princess? No, my unfriend and non-colleague, WE are not the totalitarians. You are. Bernie's campaign is in the winning tradition of the Democratic Party, and both FDR and Truman would attest to that. As would the Kennedys and LBJ.

And Jimmy Carter himself has said: Hillary is inevitable, because she has the money....not what I'd call a solid endorsement! More like a "when rape is inevitable" comment.

Well, this time, we are not getting F***ed over by the 1%. On that point, there is total agreement!

[haikugal]

37. Thank You for your post Demeter...you said it well. n/t

[Snotcicles]

10. The Hillary people better squash that shit quickly, They may get their wish. nt

[artislife]

15. But we will leave the party AFTER we win the WH

ha


Well, we are pushing it back to the left after two decades of it being right of our center. And isn't if funny, this is when we lost a lot of legacy seats in congress.

[DianeK]

11. I really don't get where this is coming from..

Bernie has said over and over again that he likes and respects Hillary, he has vowed not to go negative on Hillary and from what I have seen he so far has kept that promise..I don't want to do that either and no matter who gets the nod, my full support will be with that Democratic Nominee...for now....my support is whole heartedly for Bernie..this is the process, why are people having problems allowing the democratic process to play out?

by the way..what does it mean to have a post hidden?

[lunatica]

36. Having a post hidden...

It means you've posted something that is insulting or derogatory and against the rules of decency that DU has published as unacceptable. Anyone can alert DU that you've posted such a thing and a jury of DUers will look at it and decide whether to leave it alone or hide the post.

[DianeK]

50. thank you

it's been a while since i have been to this site and they didn't have that then

[madfloridian]

55. ....

Hi Diane, good question about why it's a problem to let the democratic process play out.



It should play out, and we should all be part of the election process. To think otherwise is destructive to all of us.

[hootinholler]

12. Hey MF - sorry about that pause.

I hate to do this, but I'm going to lock this for discussion amongst the hosts.

Here's how I see this splaying out. Camp Weathervane will post mean and nasty things over there about people here. The outraged party will reply here and get alerted on.

We have enough shit magnets and everyone has a pretty good idea of WTF is going on.

[TM99]

13. Mad you have been sharing about the formation

and foundation of the Third Way by Al Fromm.

This is pure projection.

The neoliberals didn't want to do the heavy lifting of forming their own party, rather, they pirated the Democratic Party instead.

The party of the New Deal. The party of the Civil Rights Act. That party is one of Democratic Socialism. That is the party of progressive like most here at DU. That is the party that Sanders is running for the presidential nomination of.

These neoliberals took over the party power positions. They are a minority that has duped a majority. They are the equivalent of the religious right or the Tea Party in the GOP. It is still happening. This little DU splinter group acts the same way. What? There is maybe 30 of them over there expressing this garbage. It looks like Conservative Cave or Free Republic over that with all of the snark and vitriol.

The only way they do not win again is when Sanders is elected. They will win if progressives continue to vote for the lesser of two corporate evils.

This is not a fight for the heart and soul of DU. Fuck, DU is just another internet forum. They come and they go. I have been on hundreds from the BBS days to Usenet to newsgroups to other forums. No, this is a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. I am confident in saying that if Clinton wins, then the rightward lurch of the political spectrum in the United States will be complete. Progressives will be relegated to the fringes and dismissed completely.

At some point, there must be a revolution. It should have started in 2008. Many were snookered so it did not. It must start now. Sanders is not some messiah or 'hope & change' agent. He is just a decent progressive man willing to be a leader while we the people wake the fuck up and take back this country of ours. I want the civil rights advances we have made over the last 50 years to continue and expand further at the same time the we return to economic models that provide justice for all. A new New Deal.

Thank you for posting. If you take a hide, well I will risk one with you.

[madfloridian]

14. "Progressives will be relegated to the fringes and dismissed completely."

I won't argue that point. I think you are right. You are right that this goes beyond DU, way beyond. Problem is that so much of it is playing out here.

I went through all the pain as a Dean supporter who was so naive about politics...and I learned that the party considered us fringe for being against the Iraq invasion.

I was really naive back then, but I am not anymore.

[jalan48]

21. Thanks for the post-my thoughts as well.

The corporate Democrats grabbed the leadership years ago.

[Marty McGraw]

44. Reading what both of you Post

is Music to My Ears. Thank you for saying what needs to be said. As far as a 'Hide'... I didn't notice any of you posting any names to any authors of the quotes you mentioned. But they are over there and now indelibly digitally archived for the ages.

[HooptieWagon]

64. +1000000

[barbtries]

16. a destructive suggestion.

this is the party of inclusion. i haven't picked my candidate for sure yet. only donated to Bernie, but i like Hillary and think she would be a fine president. and i am a democrat. it's my nature to be. it is disheartening to see this kind of divisiveness coming from another democrat. i reiterate it is destructive.
thank you for sharing madfloridian - i know from following yours posts for years that you are a democrat and one of the best.

[madfloridian]

18. Thanks.

I agree with your view of both candidates. Thanks for the kind words.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. I've not been a Democrat since 2004

so they've already lost me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. ...classic...

[Enthusiast]

24. Beyond sad. Yes.

Sick.

[DirkGently]

25. Liberal bashing within the Democratic Party is kind of

... inherently bullshit, isn't it? No liberals = no party.

No one's buying Republican Lite Beer these days.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

51. They consider themselves to be the true Liberals....

They consider Hillary to be a Liberal.

They base this on the fact that everyone in the media calls her a Liberal.

She's HATED by Conservatives so she MUST BE a Liberal.

Further since we aren't in love with her that means WE hate her too which therefore means we aren't actual Liberals. We're probably Conservatives or Right Wing Libertarians. We CAN'T be true Democrats because you HAVE to love Bill and Hillary with all your heart or you aren't a true Democrat because they OWN the party.

[davidthegnome]

26. Hmm.

I find it fascinating that this person thinks they know what FDR would do. He was nearly as much of a democratic socialist (in policy and ideology) as Sanders is. Also, I have no intention of letting a few idiots force me out of the party, they can close all the doors they like, but there's quite a lot of us Bernie supporters out there who are democrats. The people like those who posted this - they do not get to decide who can and cannot be in the party. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I'm here to stay, regardless of what some assholes think about it.

[Cleita]

27. Sour grapes, it appears.

I had noticed that there are two groups here, that used to be very busy harassing posters that didn't agree with them and those seem to have hardly any posts in them these days. I figured they had formed a message board somewhere else. I thought maybe Facebook, but I was wrong and this must be it. I do believe DU has been far more pleasant since the departure of said denizens of those groups. The alert gang bangs seem to have quieted down as well, at least from what I have noticed. BTW what I think really means nothing so take it with a grain of salt. I'm just ruminating. However, it won't be long before they start fighting among themselves not having Bernistas to fight with and they will start trickling back so enjoy the peace while you can.

As to the nonsense that Sanders supporters need to have a separate party, I would like to remind everyone that Sanders is the spokesperson for what the Democratic Party used to stand for and frankly Hillary Clinton would have been more comfortable in Eisenhower's administration as a Republican. I'm 75 years old and I remember how the parties were and what they stood for in the fifties and sixties before the Republicans were invaded by global industrialists, who are trying to rule the world by taking over the governments of the nations. Ours is harder to take over because we still have the remnants of a democracy to fight them.

However, many citizens have forgotten that they are Americans first and that is where their loyalty should lie, not with just the party of their choice and the nonsense dog whistles politicians can be guilty of when trying to gain power. When the leaders of the parties start to ignore the Constitution like the Republicans have been doing, we have a problem. When the Democrats start doing it, they are no longer real Democrats and then we have a problem we may not be able to correct and hello totalitarianism. We aren't there yet, but the Third Way Democrats aren't being helpful with their divide and conquer tactics. Then you end up with a modern Julius Caesar and you may not get or want what you wished for.

[madfloridian]

28. "Sanders is the spokesperson for what the Democratic Party used to stand for"

[lunatica]

40. I wish I could rec and kick your post

You speak for me.

[yuiyoshida]

57. I agree...

[appalachiablue]

75. Bravo for stating the reality of the Democratic Party!

K & R for the great OP MadFlo.

[nashville_brook]

80. [phone]

[forest444]

30. In the spirit of Pope Francis' visit, let's remember this from his UN address:

"When brothers fight, outsiders will devour them" (a simple truth from José Hernández's 19th century gaucho epic Martín Fierro)

[Doctor_J]

31. Well, Sanders is polling about 25% nationally among Dems

Let's say 70 million people vote Dem in the GE, that's about 17 million votes that the hillarians think they can do without. Obama won by 5 million in 2012. The situation is not going to improve if we keep voting for DINOs. Regardless what any of the "pragmatists" say, 4 years of Clinton with a Republican Congress will be 95% indistinguishable from Bush with a Republican Congress. It's time to make a stand.

BTW for those who think I am not an actual Dem, or a racist, or a DU mole (for 14 years), and you lurkers, haters, DINOs, and PUMAs, please read this one from the way-bak machine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5114403

[Hydra]

76. It's quite possible the Centerists would rather lose

They have to do an intricate dance with the Republicans to stay relevant- the lesser of two evils, but the only electable option.

[lunatica]

32. Written by a true centrist

A centrist who likes to move to the right evidently. And one who really doesn't give a shit for those who are worse off than him/her.

[mwooldri]

33. Just who/what is a Democrat anyway?

Who is the elected leader?
What is the party manifesto?
What are the party's positions on XYZ?
Who is keeping everyone in line?

This is a leadership contest folks... pure and simple. The winner gets to guide the party's main positions.

The problem with American politics is that there really are only two big political parties. You could argue that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are basically each a coalition of factions that have a loose common cause and have some ties in common. I suppose an argument could be constructed that likens Bernie Sanders supporters to the Democratic Party in the way the Tea Party is likened to the Republican Party. The Tea Party folks could have gone off and formed their own party but they wouldn't have nearly had the influence that they have if they went it out alone. Same thing if "Bernie Sanders Supporters" did the same thing.

The GOP and the Tea Party need each other. Likewise the Bernie Sanders Supporters and "more traditional" Democratic Party supporters need each other. Alienate the Bernie Sanders supporters in the event of Bernie not getting the nomination and risk letting the Republicans in... and vice versa should Bernie win. I don't want any PUMA nonsense.

As party leaders change, people do come and go. In Europe, those who are "out" may well go and form their own party, only to find themselves in a coalition government with those they split from a few months or years later. With American politics, it's who will be in the spotlight in the big-tent party at the time a leader is chosen.

Put me on record for disagreeing with BKH70041.

[RoccoR5955]

34. To me this sounds like a RepubliCON posing as a Democrat

Anyone knows that if the REAL liberals leave the Democratic Party, the party will lose. With Bernie not going negative, and actually saying that he likes Clinton, this can only be one thing. That is a RepubliCON plant.
Yes, they are all over. They are here, they are there, they are everywhere. RepubliCONs KNOW that once the Democratic Party gets unified, and gets out the vote, they win every time, regardless of the amount of money spent on the election.

[SheilaT]

35. Well, I could point out that a lot

of Hillary supporters are demanding total allegiance, but that might be a bit mean-spirited.

The suggestion that the Bernie supporters leave and start their own party is beyond stupid for several reasons. First off, it goes with the crap that Bernie can't possibly be a Democrat because he's been an Independent all these years, totally overlooking that he always caucused with the Democrats.

Second, if Bernie and his supporters were to pull off and form another party, or if he runs as a "Third Party" candidate, that will pull enough support from Hillary, who then would be the Inevitable, that the Republican nominee, even if they managed to nominate a mongoose, would definitely win in the general election.

And, if Hillary does get the nomination in a reasonably fair and square primary season, you still don't want the Bernie supporters to go away. You now want more than every that they get behind her and all the other Democrats running for office.

All of this guy's comments sound rather like someone who is inside the Beltway. You know, all those commentators along the Potomac who don't quite get it that there is an actual world out there. With real people. Who vote. And if his attitude is very common among the Hillary supporters, then god help us all. He's presenting himself as an arrogant s.o.b., who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone with a different opinion.

[JDPriestly]

38. It is ironic that a person posts this on a site dedicated only to Hillary and on which, I presume,

only Hillary supporters are allowed to post:

" All you have to do is see how upset they are that you're "permitted" (from their POV) to talk about Sanders on this site where they can't shut you up. Is there any doubt they'd be any different should he win the election? A party like that either becomes a dictatorship or it crumbles. And don't believe for a second the Sanders supports have any problem with dictatorships, especially when it means they'd get their way."

The Need For A Divorce

Talk about wanting a dictatorship?

Why go to a website that excludes those who disagree with you to characterize those who disagree with you as wanting a dictatorship?

I think it is ironic. To go to the place where the rules dictate that only my opinion can be heard in order to complain about another place where all Democratic points of view are welcome but where my ideas are not selling very well????????? That makes no sense.

DU is an open marketplace of ideas for Democrats, and would be more open if I had my way.

I just have not read a cogent, persuasive argument by any Hillary supporter as to why I should support Hillary rather than Bernie.

And no, I don't think there is a Bernie supporter who thinks that Bernie has a drop of the dictator in him.

Bernie was elected to the Senate by 71% of the vote in Vermont. That includes the votes of a lot of people who probably disagree with him on many issues.

I support Sanders because I think that he is likely to be the most inclusive in his government and best to work with Congress.

After all, he has served in and worked with Congress for some 20+ years.

I have been reading the book, 'Taking Charge" which consists of excerpts from the transcripts of telephone conversations of LBJ as he was assuming office after the assassination of Kennedy. His long history in Congress, his understanding of the deal-making, methods and personalities in Congress were great assets to him. He got up to speed very quickly when he entered the White House because he knew the members of Congress. Hillary knows the members of Congress as Democratic Party politicians, but having spent fewer years than Bernie in Congress, cannot possibly know the histories, the weaknesses, the strengths, the rallying points, the motivating issues of members of Congress as Bernie does.

I am voting for Bernie because I think he is the best candidate with the best ideas and the best understanding of Congress and the government.

I have yet to read a post by a Hillary supporter that explains why the poster is supporting Hillary other than that she can win. And that is merely an assumption. A lot of things can happen on the way to the forum, as a lot of Roman politicians, no doubt, learned way back when.

Anyway, the irony of the post in the OP on Hillary's website is apparent to me.

I think we should worry less about why other people are not going to vote for Bernie and more about how we can get more and more people to understand that voting for Bernie is the best thing for our country at this time.

Feel the Bern!

[Duval]

39. This person seems to think

that we Democrats should imitate the Republicans. Our camp is big enough to include all Democrats, no matter whom they support at this time. Bernie's followers (I am one) have stated they will vote for the Dem nominee. Enough said.

[MissDeeds]

41. You know what

Last edited Sat Sep 26, 2015, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't post much anymore because of the rancor and the vitirol of a particular camp, but if this is their message, I have one of my own: Get the F**K out of MY party! I am a baby boomer who has worked for and supported each and every Democrat (not DINO) since I was old enough to vote. I come from many generations of Democrats and had a great aunt who was good friends with Truman's sister, who was a frequent guest in her home. We have contributed tens of thousands of dollars to Democratic candidates. You want a divorce? Get your neo-ass out of OUR time honored party.

Enough of this decisive bullshit! You had the nerve to spew your PUMA crap during the 2008 election, well right back at you!

Ban me, block me, whatever. The welfare of this Party and this country is worth more than some neo-liberal website.

[Hulk]

42. I've never read such a crock of crap on this site before

Are you bull shitting me? I'm neither a Sanders nor Clinton stooge. I'll vote for who represents my philosophy of governing. Remembering that no one is able to make the big changes without Congress cooperating.

I would gladly back any one running on the Democratic ticket before I would either vote for a GOP clown or not at all. That post was a waste of time reading. Somebody wrote some pretty ridiculous garbage, in my humble opinion.

[Fearless]

43. Maybe the party needs to break up with some of its "members"

[sulphurdunn]

45. When exactly did Clintonistas

become the only 'real democrats?'

[CrispyQ]

46. To whoever wrote the original piece, what a load of fucking tripe.

For the life of me, I don't see how someone can say all the nasty things they've had to say about Secretary Clinton and then turn around and claim they'll vote for her if she's the nominee because of "lesser of two evils." The only reason someone would do that -- the only reason -- is to keep in good graces with the Party just so they can do what they're doing right now again and again and again. I, for one, would rather stop it now instead of 5 or 10 years from now when election after election it's either their way or the highway.

For the life of me, I don't see how someone can say all the nasty things they do about liberals, (you know, retards, totalitarians, sit down & shut up) and then turn around and ask for their votes because the dems are the "lesser of two evils." The only reason someone would do that -- the only reason -- is to string the liberals along again and again and again, because the dems realize they cannot win without the Democratic wing of the party. I, for one, would rather stop the Democratic Party's shift to the right, now, instead of 5 - 10 years from now, when it will be too fucking late because the country will be shredded.

To whoever wrote the original piece, be careful what you wish for. If the people you scorn don't turn out to vote, HRC will lose.

[LiberalLovinLug]

47. "Oh, but some will say we need them to win the election. I strongly disagree."

I think this is what the Hillary camp actually believes. If they get enough "moderate" Republican voters and independents to be wooed by her militarily hawkish, and fiscally status quo "free market" position...they then don't need no "liberal retards".

And just look at the comment support that post gets under it on that site.

Looks like the PUMAs (Party Unity My Ass) are already rearing their ugly heads.

I know this person said "When Sanders does not get the nomination (and he won't)", but I'd like to ask them..would you vote for him IF he actually did win? I certainly would give Hillary support if she won, even if it was with some disappointment.

[YoungDemCA]

48. I'm supporting Hillary Clinton

If anyone has a problem with that, I really don't care.

I don't have a problem with people who honestly support Bernie Sanders and can respect those (like me) who prefer a different candidate. And I will vote for the Democratic nominee, as I suspect the vast majority of Democrats will.

Here's to keeping the White House, expanding our numbers in Congress, and reversing the Supreme Court's right-wing trend, come 2016!

[DianeK]

52. thank you your thoughtful contribution

it is important for those of us who understand how our democratic system works to try and keep it respectful

[unapatriciated]

49. This is the same as 2008

when the primary is over we will all come together and support our nominee. Hopefully it will be Sanders. It will take a lot more than some internet troll to force me from a party that I have been a voting member for over forty years.

Thanks for the op and your support for Sanders.

[ancianita]

53. This money guy is as corrupt as his opposition, thinking he determines value for the FDR wing and

thus, the whole party.

This talk of "totalitarianism," "Obama haters," "alternative motives," and "the time is NOW to define the Democratic Party", you know what it means?

He's desperate. She's desperate. The next thing you know they'll call us "Bernietards" the way the rest used to call US Obamatards -- US, the Bernie people who all STILL support their president, even when they haven't agreed with him.

Desperate corporate lackeys need to look in a fucking mirror before trying the old internal split talk.

It's a fucking PRIMARY, and as far as I'm concerned they can both go fuck themselves.

And hell no, I'm not leaving this party!

[DonCoquixote]

54. You really think the Party needs people in it like that?? Has Obama needed that shit?? Hell NO!

funny, Obama sure did need many progressives to vote for him. And if Hillary loses, we will get blamed for not voting, even thoyugh we will and those centrist Reagan democrats they court will NOT.

[BlueJazz]

56. I'm not going to sign the divorce papers. The Democratic party is stuck with my ass.

[ejbr]

58. Well, i already left

Will rejoin to vote for Bernie, then will leave again. Will still vote Democrat.

[stupidicus]

59. as I've long noted to those sad ones, as usurpers

it is their job to leave the party they corrupted.

[MissDeeds]

60. Well said

[truedelphi]

63. It is much more than just this latest meme of

"Why not leave the party?"

Every single topic now under discussion in the USA requires that unless you are parroting whatever is assumed to be the liberal line, then you are an Outlier. (And liar as well.)

Vaccines - well, you better approve of every one of them all the time, even vaccines given to sick people - which is in contraindication of over 600 animal studies that show that sick animals develop cancer(s) after being given a vaccine while ill.

Immigration - well, you better desire that all one billion people living south of the border can come here immediately, never mind that that action would almost quadruple our population. You better also parrot that there should never be any hindrances to anyone coming to the USA - why should the immigrants bother to get car insurance, as insurance is an expense, or why should the newly arrived learn the language or have their ID approval for jobs in schools or hospitals done correctly.

Global Climate Change measures - well, again, you better damn well approve of any and all procedures, regulations, limitations and devices - as long as some law or protocol or device is stamped with the expression "Good for the planet," kiss it and suck up. So over in the UK they now have a company touting the cutting down of trees along the highways there, so that metal machinery can be put in that "stores" carbon more efficiently than trees do, and without the leafy mess that the trees create. (or so the argument for the metal monstrosities goes.)

I knew this day was coming back in the early Eighties when Sunday round table talk shows became shouting matches, with the notion offered up to the TV viewing audience that whomever can use labels the most and shout the loudest wins the debate, facts be damned.

Anyone even suggesting that the truth of a matter might best be found in the middle and not at either end of the extremes is cast out as not being worth knowing as they clearly are not X and not Y. Neither party wants those that understand the complexities of systems - the parties both want their simple minded parrots.

And this is exactly why Bernie Sanders is such a threat - he once again opens up the dialogue to the idea that usually truth is not at either extreme, but in the middle. This scares the be-jesus out of the party hacks.

[rogerashton]

69. And that link is on the Hillary for America site. Amazing.

A few days ago I posted a scenario that Hillary might win the nomination and then repudiate the support of Bernie's supporters. I didn't think that would happen -- just one scenario, not a plausible one -- and the tenor of the response was that no such thing could happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=607630

But the post to Hillary's website seems to demand just that. Which leads me to ask: if that is a position Hillary accepts, can she possibly win the general?

[Trajan]

72. Fuck anybody who thinks they can eject a New Dealer

From the party that birthed the idea ...

The New Deal will continue, and so called 'big donors' can go to hell ...

[dae]

73. What a palooka!

My first and last venture into Hill Land! There are alot of haters there but not all agreed with him/her.
Keep it Berning!

[tblue]

77. Read it again. It was written by a Republican

Somebody's trying to sow division among a Democrats. Whoever it is, I got 2 words for him or her.

[stranger81]

78. "Better to pirate what someone else built."

I don't know about you, but it really chaps my hide to be lectured by Third Way centrists who have, in fact, "pirated what someone else built," and told that we are the ones who need to go elsewhere.

SMH.

[eridani]

81. Sanders supporters are not all Democrats. Lots are from the alienated 63%

Clinton has zero appeal to that demographic.

[Walk away]

82. If you are a registered Democrat you are in the party.

If you vote for and support Bernie Sanders then you are not voting for or supporting a Democrat. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[smokey nj]

83. You seem to have taken a wrong turn.

[elana i am]

86. no, that d after clinton's name is meaningless

call her third way, neoliberal, republican light.

i will be voting for the democrat...bernie sanders. he represents everything that d is supposed to stand for. the 7% difference between sanders and the rest of the dems' voting history is HUGE, because it represents the most important political events. and their philosophies are so different they are diametrically opposed to each other. bernie sanders is what the dems used to be, what they should be but are not.

the true democrat is bernie sanders.

[TBF]

84. My parents belonged to unions in the 60's/70's -

I too am descended from 2 pre-revolutionary families (one on each side). We have been small business owners, farmers, and factory workers throughout my family as long as I can trace. No corporate owners, no CEO's. So, I guess that's not what they want. That's fine ... they won't have to push.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. Hmmmmm, I wonder who on earth posted that?

Sorry, but they are the ones who have destroyed the Democratic Party. If not for the DLC/Third Way/ Right of Center in the party, there would be a difference between the GOP and Dem party. THEY'RE the ones who need to go make a DLC party and EXIT RIGHT.

Newsflash to them - they can't win without the Progressive vote. That's just a fact. However, we CAN win without the DLC/Third Way. They ARE a minority. Just look at DU. Look at the internet! Overwhelmingly PROGRESSIVE - LEFT of Center.