Got some interesting news today about the October 13 debate.

[Le Taz Hot]

The word is out the DNC is HEAVILY stacking the debate audience with Hillary supporters. And remember, it's the DNC who deems who can be in the audience. And I'm guessing CNN has already decided that Hillary has "won" the debate.

Can I just say that I'm old enough to remember the last time The Party Establishment locked out dissenting voices -- Richard Nixon became our president.

[onecaliberal]

1. What the hell?!?

[virtualobserver]

2. by invitation only from the DNC -one more reason for the exclusivity clause

it gives the DNC control of the audience response for all of the debates

[onecaliberal]

4. What a bunch of bullshit.

Why do they need to foist this woman upon us? This so pisses me off. They don't even fake fairness or support for democracy any more. I hope no one but she who shall not be named shows up after the first debate. Despite their stacked audience, Americans will get to hear what Bernie and Martin O'malley have to say.

[virtualobserver]

6. It won't work.....it will be like a a comedy that isn't funny at all with an extreme laugh track

[onecaliberal]

60. I think it's going to backfire. Love the avi..

[corkhead]

70. a cartoon comes to mind

[onecaliberal]

94. Perfect example of what I believe will happen.

[highprincipleswork]

61. How to get a highest resolution copy of your B with arrow to the left logo? That is very, very cool

[virtualobserver]

62. this is the highest resolution version that I have seen

[highprincipleswork]

69. Excellent.

Thank you!

[pinebox]

126. Here's a different spin

I use this as my twitter avatar

[highprincipleswork]

153. Thanks!

[JDPriestly]

68. Go to the Bernie Sanders website (if you can find it because it doesn't come up easily when I

Google it) and sign up for a debate party for Bernie.

Or hold one yourself and invite people.

Then we should send in pictures of all who attend and write our own news story and take our own polls on it.

Bernie and the other candidates will know that the reception for Hillary is rigged if the DNC rigs it. And hopefully they will mention how the debate audience was selected during the debates.

If they do, the next debate will have an audience that represents the diversity among the voters. Bernie drew another crowd that probably sets a record for this stage in the campaign.

Everybody loves Bernie. That's my impression.

Feel the Bern!

There is no arguing with the crowd sizes that Bernie draws. He has the grass-roots Democrats behind him.

[Live and Learn]

84. No need to google. BernieSanders.com nt

[Locrian]

119. thanks - that just got Bernie a $50 from me

[Live and Learn]

148. Money well spent. Don't forget to check their Events page.

Lots of fun activities and really nice people to meet.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Why am I not surprised?

[onecaliberal]

5. Yup there will be and it won't be the way you think.

[onecaliberal]

8. They won't be dumping their support for Bernie.

[cui bono]

14. I think Left Ear meant dumping the Hillary support and changing to support Bernie.

[onecaliberal]

59. In that case, I agree completely.

[cui bono]

15. I'm hoping you mean dumping their support for Hillary in favor of Bernie.

Hell, after a debate with Bernie even Hillary may support him!

[cui bono]

26. Thought so.

And thanks! I got it from the haters over at the Clinton Cave. They made a "red" Bernie because I guess they think - or are trying to make others think - that he's a communist.

Or they are just being their hate spewing selves. No one who posts on DU would actually believe that would they?

[Old Crow]

41. I love your Minions avatar, too.

I've been thinking of changing mine to a Minion and using a tagline of "Minions for Bernie!" If a lot of us did it, it would be fun, for a while at least. I'm not sure everyone would get it, though.

[cui bono]

52. Yeah, but the people who need to get it would.

[daleanime]

9. How much of the 'debate' format....

has been announced?

[Old Crow]

32. Wikipedia has assembled some info.

To wit:

The first debate is scheduled for October 13, 2015, in Las Vegas. It will air on CNN, and will also be broadcast on radio by Westwood One. Anderson Cooper will be the moderator of the debate, with Dana Bash and Juan Carlos Lopez asking additional questions and Don Lemon presenting questions submitted by voters via Facebook.

[Fast Walker 52]

39. oy, sounds bad-- I can imagine all the ways they will try to undercut Bernie

[Old Crow]

42. I'm concerned, all right.

This news of the DNC stacking the audience disgusts me. I'm a little encouraged to learn that Anderson Cooper will be the moderator. I like him and think there's a good chance he'll strive to be fair to Bernie.

On edit: I'll also add that I'm a little concerned by "debate performance hubris" on the part of the Bernie supporters on here. Hillary can perform well behind a podium. She's no pushover. I think this notion that the debates are going to be a slam-dunk is unrealistic.

[Fast Walker 52]

75. I agree. I haven't seen the debate performance hubris but I worry about the relative telegenicity

of Hillary versus Bernie. I feel like he may not come off well, charisma-wise, even if he has better points to make.

[Old Crow]

91. Well, let's both cross our fingers.

Bernie's integrity has connected well with viewers in the past, and he can argue positions exceedingly well. He's amazingly consistent and I have no doubt he'll do a good job. Hillary's performance, on the other hand, is much more of a wildcard. At times, she does really well; other times, she's rigid and imperious. You can be sure I'll be watching the debates like a hawk.

[bvar22]

92. If they stick to The Issues,

Hillary doesn't have a chance.

[merrily]

106. "Concerned?" Why? Will it affect Bernie? "Hubris?" or Confidence in Bernie?

Enough gratuituous shaming of Bernie's DU supporters goes on in other parts of the board, and often by people behaving a lot worse than most of us are. It's one of the reasons I spend the vast majority of my time in this group and, to a much lesser extent, in the Populist Group.

In this group, we are supposed to be supporting Bernie and each other. If you are going to import the shaming of Bernie's DU supporters intod this group, I would hope you would have an excellent reason for so doing that really matters and preferably one that really matters in real life.

[Old Crow]

144. Merrily, I think we have an honest disagreement...

... on what is and what isn't acceptable in the Bernie Sanders Group, seeing as this is the second time I seem to have rubbed you the wrong way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you are of the opinion that nothing negative should ever be voiced about Bernie Sanders or his supporters in this safe haven. I understand the position.

My position--and I may be wrong here--is that some negative or critical statements are permissible provided that the poster is clearly in support of a Bernie Sanders presidency. One of the things I find repellant about the other camp on DU is that they seem to have gotten caught up in groupthink and a cult of personality. Everything is sunshine and rainbows in their group, 24/7, and if you sneeze in the wrong direction, you can expect to be banned quickly. I like to think Bernie Sanders supporters are more tolerant of dissenting views and, like Bernie, consider intelligent dialogue between parties who disagree important.

Permitting disagreement can be tricky, granted. There are, no doubt, some posters out there feigning concern regarding Sanders and his supporters as a way of propagating negative talking points. I am not one of them. If you'll search my posts, you'll find I want a Bernie Sanders presidency as much as anyone and consistently post to that effect. I've even put several hours into creating a couple graphics to promote his campaign.

Now, regarding my comment about "debate performance hubris": My concern has everything to do with managing expectations. I fully expect Bernie Sanders to perform better than Hillary Clinton in the debates. But I don't think Clinton will be a pushover, and if Sanders supporters set up the expectation that she will be crushed, the narrative in the media may hurt us. Should, for example, Bernie turn in an A- performance (using a lettergrade scale), and Hillary a B, he will have outperformed her, yet the media response could well be: "Well, no doubt the Bernie Sanders supporters are disappointed tonight because the resounding defeat of Hillary Clinton they'd been hoping for did not occur. Despite predictions that Clinton would not be able to hold her ground, she managed to do just that. Yadda yadda yadda." You get the idea.

Sorry to go on at such length.

If a host can advise me if my understanding of the rules of the Bernie Sanders Group is incorrect, I'll delete my "hubris" post swiftly and with no hard feelings.

Thanks!

[merrily]

154. You did not answer either of my questions. Nor did I ask you to delete your post.

Your post says:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you are of the opinion that nothing negative should ever be voiced about Bernie Sanders or his supporters in this safe haven.

Yes, you have misstated my opinion. I am not sure why. My post to you, which was not all that long, said:

If you are going to import the shaming of Bernie's DU supporters into this group, I would hope you would have an excellent reason for so doing that really matters and preferably one that really matters in real life.

The difference between what I actually said and what you suggest is my view seems very clear to me.

That is the only point in your post to me that I am going to address. However, my silence should not be interpreted as agreement or approval--and neither should the silence of a host.

[Old Crow]

155. Fine, Merrily.

You seem very argumentative. I'm not interested in arguing. Have a good day.

[merrily]

156. You asked me to correct you if you misstated my view, so I did.

According to you, that makes me "very argumentative."

[dae]

10. Bastards screw with Bernie and they will be burned on

election day.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Not to worry...Bernie can handle anything thrown his way. Hillary needs the deck stacked in her favor, but it still won't help fill the authenticity gap.

[SoapBox]

11. Maybe Berners should show up

by the thousands outside?

The one thing that Entrenched Debbie can't control is that millions will finally see Ms. Inevitable, only to be reminded why they don't like nor trust her.

[jwirr]

23. I was thinking that also. Force CNN to acknowledge they are

being picketed by as many people as we can get there. Lots of noise and excitement outside.

[restorefreedom]

122. i had that same thought too

a massive and LOUD show of support for bernie outside. it will also get people wondering....hmmm why are all the people inside cheering for h while all the bernie/om folks outside?

this should be xposted to om group. they won't be any too happy about this either and om will surely not stay quiet about it

[JDPriestly]

149. The first debate will be held in Las Vegas? Am I right?

[cui bono]

28. That would be awesome, where is it being held?

[SoapBox]

54. Las Vegas.

[cui bono]

89. Oh yeah! Thanks!

Can't go due to work, would do it if I was between jobs...

[Live and Learn]

85. The Wynn Hotel to be specific. nt

[cui bono]

87. Won't be able to make it.

If I was between jobs I'd show up with a huge Bernie sign for sure!

[merrily]

112. This is something to be putting in the Bernie for President portion of reddit and on facebook,

both on Bernie's general pages and, if there are such things, Las Vegas for Bernie or Nevada for Bernie.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

142. Yes

[LiberalElite]

12. DNC = Democracy Nullifcation Caucus

Do they REALLY think this isn't gonna backfire on them big time? (not that I care) The truth will out. It's gonna get beyond the DU borders. It probably is already.

[jkbRN]

20. Totally love the acronym breakdown,

& I agree, it will be really obvious if they do this--it will show them to be what they are, pathetic and corrupt. Bernie supporters/voters are much smarter than the DNC makes them out to be.

Thanks to the internet, this ploy will pointed out and talked about for a long time after the debates end.

Hillary should be embarrassed that she has to take part in these antics to try to come off as more appealing to the public.

[LiberalElite]

29. Heh.

Maybe it was her idea.

[jkbRN]

30. Ha,

Who would doubt it?

[SoapBox]

43. Hilarious!

[merrily]

104. Democratic Nullification is right. The "fragrance" gets worse and worse.

[SmittynMo]

13. The good part is

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"I" can distinguish bullshit from the real thing!!!! Most people can.

Especially when we all know about CPAC tainted money and the "Corporate Media".

Bring it on. It's show time folks.

[hedda_foil]

72. Do you mean "super PAC"? CPAC is a far right bunch, so that would be verrrry interesting indeed.

[SmittynMo]

90. Yep,my mistake

[TheKentuckian]

161. I wish I felt that was true but considering the state of the nation and the mountain high stacks of

bullshit that the house of cards is stacked on I can't be and would encourage others to refrain from assuming.

The reality is many if not most eat up bullshit like it was ice cream.

[jwirr]

16. I was afraid of that. How do we counter that? Maybe we can

have a internet "debate" like Bernie did with the R's debate?

Or donate response like we did when her super-pac talked about the fuel assistance for the poor?

This is just one more reason that people will not vote. I really am beginning to believe they want a R to win.

[cpompilo]

33. Hillary's the best r they've got.

[jwirr]

34. It sure looks like it.

[tomm2thumbs]

18. too bad a room full of onlookers won't match the votes of millions who watch on television

can't pay enough money to buy the votes and enthusiasm of those who are going to make it to the polls to vote in droves for Bernie -- you can see it in the GENUINE enthusiasm and GIANT numbers at any event that Bernie Sanders holds. THAT is the one thing they'll never be able to overcome --

you cannot fake authenticity.
you cannot fake enthusiasm.
you cannot fake grassroots.
you cannot fake a revolution.

And this one is happening without money thrown at TV ads, big-time spending, or store-bought endorsements

[MissDeeds]

19. I'm not surprised

I figured as much. Those evil, conniving ratbastards will stoop to any depths to promote HRH. I hope the people will see through it and it will sink the conniving twit even further.

That said, I believe Bernie knows what BS is facing him and has prepared to meet it heads on.

[aspirant]

21. if they stack the audience

will they stack the questions and response time in favor of Hills?

[jwirr]

27. I suspect they will stack the questions. But I trust Bernie to

turn it to issues no matter what they ask.

[cui bono]

55. Yup. He does it so well.

He really does not get rattled by that sort of thing. He knows what they're doing and he's ready for it. And since he's not playing the game it simply doesn't work with him. There's nothing to 'gotcha' him with since he's so straightforward and authentic.

He's running on what he believes is right for the people and our democracy so he can just say what he thinks. No need for second guessing himself or what others are thinking. Makes it real easy.

[jfern]

47. It's ridiculous what Bernie has to deal with

Stacked media
Stacked DNC
Stacked audience
Stacked debate questions

They really really don't want us to win.

[CentralMass]

79. That is my concern as well. Will they be asked the same questions ? Will the be "stacked" ?

I think Bernie should be able to kick @$$ in any reasonable format.

[Demeter]

22. This is no way to run a "democratic" Party--and she wants to run the world?

facepalm

[elehhhhna]

105. Evita type theatrics

But all backstage.

[Marty McGraw]

24. Would be such a cool Thing

if FreeSpeechTV.org would host their own break-away debates and say F%$k you DWS!

[sadoldgirl]

25. Does anyone know who will be

framing the questions?
If the DNC does that as well, we might get cooked.

HRH may just play the game that she did with Jon
Steward: See, I know all the important people in
the world, and you don't. Hehehe.

Thus I am more interested in the people who
are framing the whole debate. Also, is CNN
known to support HRC rather than anyone else?

[nashville_brook]

73. Anderson Cooper is the moderator. I imagine there could be some discussion with the DNC

on content.

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/


Tuesday, October 13, 2015
CNN Democratic Primary Debate
9pm ET (8pm CT, 6pm PT)

Location: Wynn Las Vegas
Sponsors: CNN, Nevada Democratic Party
Moderator: Anderson Cooper
Candidates: Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Webb, Chafee

[Jurassic Fiend]

74. Lets politely tweet to Mr. Cooper to ignore the loaded questions from the DNC

and make up his own, giving him suggestions.

The perfect question would be the no-fly zone in Syria as the hottest topic.

[nashville_brook]

109. that's a good idea.

[blackspade]

95. No Larry Lessig?

Not cool.

[840high]

31. Disgusting.

[silenttigersong]

37. ahhh

The empresses new cloths

[GeorgeGist]

38. Benghazi!!!

[merrily]

114. Please don't post that asinine non sequitur in the Bernie Group. Thanks.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. I say boycott those debates and force Hillary to be a no show at the real ones.

[merrily]

116. How does that help Bernie?

He gets to debate with candidates who are polling at under 5% and are no threat to him anyway. They, having nothing to lose, get to take pot shots at him. She gets to avoid debating anyone, which is what she's been trying to avoid.

If Bernie had anything to gain from "going rogue" debates, they would have happened.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

120. If you want to call traditional forums run by the likes of The League of Women Voters "rogue".

[merrily]

121. AFAIK, the league of women voters tapped out on sponsoring debates, so no, I didn't do that.

BTW, putting a term like that within quotation marks is intended to indicate something to the reader.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

123. They haven't held a televised one since the 80s. More's the pity.

[merrily]

127. Because they refused to put up with chit like this from the Commission on Pres. Debates.

The networks should not put up with it either. Shame on them.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

146. I seem to remember the words "we refuse to perpetuate a fraud".

[merrily]

157. Yes, something like that. Apparently, the highly LWV saw a bipartisan attempt to defraud voters of

an honest debate.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

159. You'd think someone sent them a script right out of a B movie.

[merrily]

160. (Edward G. Robinson) "Me and the gang--We ain't putting up with none of this democracy stuff, see."

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[smilingwen]

44. I heard something about that before

Wondered if it was true. I think Bernie will win the debate hands down anyway. People are not stupid and if Hillary gets applause for something lame and Bernie gets nothing for something great, people will see right through it and it will hurt her more than a fair debate would have.

Also, if we heard about it here, word will get out everywhere. She should know from experience that her secret antics will be brought to light. Manipulation like that weather it is her or dws or both will just prove Bernie's point.

[ashling]

45. Not that I have any reason to doubt it, but

where are you getting this information and is there a link? I think these days it is pretty important to verify credibility - at least that is what I tell my government students.

[Le Taz Hot]

51. I got it from two different sources

and no, there's no link.

[glinda]

63. How good are these sources? No one seems to be able to verify this.

[Le Taz Hot]

67. I guess we'll find out, won't we?

[Live and Learn]

88. I have heard it too from people that have been Democratic volunteers for years and know

many of those most involved in the party. Bernie supporters that have tried to get tickets can't and have been told they can watch it on the TV outside.

[merrily]

118. I would not expect Hillary or the DNC to leak this kind of info.

[katmondoo]

46. Will this give Trump the Presidency?

[marym625]

49. I was on a national call last week

With a group that strongly supports Bernie. The guy on the call from that progressive organization for America, can't get tickets to the debate. This is someone that has earned the right to be there.

It was also told to us lowly volunteers, that the DNC is stacking the debate with Hillary supporters.

Really sucks. So very tired of this third way, oligarchy and oligarchs', bullshit

[glinda]

64. Ah. SNL apparently also is on the Hill train too after seeing their program

Tonight. This information needs to be called onto the carpet publicly until someon shows rug burns.

[marym625]

66. There is absolutely no doubt that the DNC is pushing for Hillary.

And that oligarchs want her in office. They're not being very discrete about it.

Until someone with money, real, corporate money, pushes the DNC to act fairly, there won't be a damn thing done about it.

Doesn't matter. Bernie has the people behind him. He will win

#FeelTheBern
#Bernie2016

[cantbeserious]

80. HRC - The Finest Candidate The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Could Hope For

A Trojan horse for the 1%.

[ChiciB1]

50. Given How I & Many I Know Who Support Bernie, Support Him

because they BELIEVE in him! I'm more than irritated by the DNC, but for those of us who are committed to him we will remain so. AND, it will only make our support deeper because of the unfairness.

I no longer trust what the DNC is doing and while I keep receiving requests for money... I won't give them ONE RED CENT. I've written a letter to these leaders who keep begging for money my thoughts about them and why I won't renew my membership or give them money. They aren't doing the Democratic thing so why should I roll over for them?

Uh, Uh, not going to happen. So to those of you who are running the National and State Democratic Parties, count me out!

What happens is what happens, I simply can't go along with garbage like this. Democratic Party?? Really? Not so much!

[SoapBox]

56. Ahhhh...there's that word again...Trust.

I don't Trust Ms. Inevitable nor Entrenched Establishment Deb!

And when millions watch the Weathervane, they'll have issues with Trust as well.

[GoneFishin]

53. I will never vote for an unethical cheating weasel.

[bkkyosemite]

57. I did a bad thing..........

I went to Hillary's FB and said heard your BFF was stacking the audience with Hillary supporters and you must be desperate.........well I was called an idiot and stupid in capital letters LOL......so I said why I won't vote for her and let's just wait and see....and told the person that they were very smart indeed......he he he...boy they get pretty nasty lol...

[cantbeserious]

78. And Yet All The DU HRC Supporters Can Do Is Complain About The Nastiness Of Bernie Supporters

Duplicity of the highest order.

[left on green only]

147. Indeed, You Have Performed A Very Courageous Act

But then again, if you live anywhere near the Yosemite area, I am sure that you already know what it feel s like to be ridiculously out numbered.

[bkkyosemite]

168. I used to live

1 hour from Yosemite and was there many times. I miss it so. Now I'm in So. Oregon.

[Enthusiast]

58. They cannot play fair. What does that tell you?

As if you already didn't know.

[cantbeserious]

77. It Speaks Volumes About The DLC Third Way DWS Led Democratic Party And Their Fear Of Losing Power

eom

[Enthusiast]

82. It does speak volumes.

And it ain't pretty.

[senz]

65. I hope Bernie will be prepped and ready for any dirty tricks.

And I like the idea of Bernie supporters showing up in front of the building, getting media attention.

So glad he is dedicated and strong and that he's been in politics long enough to know how they operate.

Also, his speech schedule has been very heavy. He should take from now until Oct. 13 to prepare and be rested and ready.

[CentralMass]

81. Holding signs saying "The audience is rigged"

[merrily]

125. Social media blitz, starting now. Twitter, facebook, reddit.

[TBF]

71. Can you imagine having to say President Trump

if the DNC ignores the people and pushes in Hillary Clinton instead of our preferred candidate? I am amazed at the small town people who are supporting him. I guess they really do just watch FOX news and take it as gospel.

[senz]

99. If that happens, the Hillary folk will just blame it on us anyway.

It'll be our fault for disagreeing with her or refusing to vote for her (which they could only guess at) or whatever.

Because, you see, she has no faults.

[merrily]

128. Who cares? Nothing we do or don't do will stop them from blaming us anyway.

That is the last thing any of us should be worrying about.

[senz]

136. I don't think anyone's "worrying" about it.

[cantbeserious]

76. The DLC Third Way Party Establishment - Enabled By The DWS Wing Of The Democratic Party - Is Scared

eom

[Live and Learn]

83. I have heard the same. Bernie supporters are being regaled to the big screen tv

in front of the hotel. Still, I am hoping there will be a lot of Bernie supporters there. I am going to see if I can get off from work and attend but that is a bit iffy.

[PatrickforO]

86. You know, Le Taz, it is obvious what the corporate shills are going to do:

1. Pack the audience
2. Dictate the questions
3. Carefully 'screen' social media questions

So what's Bernie gonna get?

How can Americans vote for a socialist?
Can you describe your socialism?
How can socialism help us?
Have you ever been or are you currently a communist?
How can you assure the American people that 74 is young enough?
Are you too old to be president?
You had a child out of wedlock - can you explain how that might keep you from being a good president?
Your wife was dismissed from a community college position for misstating revenue to get financing. Is this a felony?
The Wall Street Journal says you'll cost America trillions - how will you pay for all this?

I hate to say this, but I think back to the shitty ABC debate in 2008 where they took out the long knives on Obama.

Please convince me otherwise, Le Taz. Cheer me up!

[senz]

103. Don't forget "Why do you oppose gun control?"

and

What are your legislative accomplishments? (hear that around DU)
Why don't you have any Senate/House endorsements? (also around DU)
What is your foreign policy experience? (Hillary's one advantage, although Bernie could point out some of her failures if they push too hard. Also, he can reference his votes on FP issues.)

I wonder what else we're overlooking ...

Bernie needs to be ready for every bit of crap they might throw at him.

[pa28]

93. Debbie should address this publicly.

Rank and file Democrats are already watching her with a jaundiced eye over her limits on the number and scope of debate. We know what she's up to and we're not in the mood to sit back and take it this year.

[smilingwen]

96. DWS coldn't care less

what we think of her. She has Dictator powers over the DNC and we are nothing to her.

[HooptieWagon]

135. DLC Debbie doesn't give a shit about us proles.

She's got her corporate backers and is angling for an appointment. She's not going to let public opinion bother her conscience.

[Zorra]

97. This will not end well for the DNC. nt

[Le Taz Hot]

98. If this information is indeed correct,

this is EXACTLY what happened in '68. The Establishment Old Party Dems didn't want to hear what those long-haired hippie freaks had to say about the Viet Nam war even thought THEY were the ones being used as cannon fodder (the draft was still in place). The LAST resort is taking to the streets and that happens when the people in power refuse to listen. Criminee history is replete with this EXACT scenario and it doesn't end well for the predator class.

[merrily]

129. It will not end well for the Democratic Party.

[TheKentuckian]

162. They don't care. The Democratic party will either become fully the secular and inclusive wing of the

Republican party or it can go wander in the wilderness for 40 years either way they have theirs.

[merrily]

163. Hi. Always nice to see you.

[TheKentuckian]

164. Always a pleasure! Hope you and yours are well.

[merrily]

165. Yes, aside from being put off by the DNC. How about you?

[TheKentuckian]

167. Pretty well. The baby is growing slowly but surely starting to smile easily and often.

[merrily]

169. OMG, a baby's early smiles and laughs!

Is anything better? Even homemade gelato? I think not.

[TheKentuckian]

170. No, the most awesomeness ever. A whole other level of love.

[merrily]

171. Indisputably.

[senz]

100. This morning NPR announced the date as Oct. 14.

It's amazing they could make a mistake like that.

[PatrickforO]

107. No shit???? Really????

Man, these people are in the pockets of the oligarchs. EVERYBODY in the American media, including NPR, is in the pockets of the oligarchs.

That just SUCKS. It's just like when the Republicans are at the top of their vote suppression game and they announce the date of the election off one.

That is DESPICABLE.

Wow. I'm glad you told everyone about it though.

[senz]

115. REALLY. Just located the transcript.

Here it is (and you can listen to the audio here, too):

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/04/445751143/mass-shooting-spotlights-bernie-sanders-stance-on-gun-control

It's down toward the bottom. Here is the excerpt:

KEITH: Gun control will inevitably be a topic at the first Democratic debate on October 14. And depending on how his opponents handle it, Sanders could find himself in an uncomfortable position, explaining votes he took more than a decade ago. Yesterday, at a huge rally in Massachusetts, Sanders talked about guns briefly.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

SANDERS: What we need to do is bring our people together to stop the shouting, to pass sensible gun control legislation.

(APPLAUSE)

However, we don't know, Patrick, if it is deliberate or just a foul-up. If the latter, it's pretty incompetent.

[merrily]

130. Could they be more obvious?

[Faux pas]

101. Gasp! What?

I'm stunned!

NOT!

[HooptieWagon]

102. It's what I'm hearing too.

DWS is packing the invitation only audience with Hillary supporters. It's pretty evident the corporatists are rigging the election.

[FlatBaroque]

108. What position would Debbie get in the never

going to happen Hillary administration? My guess is chief of staff.

[djean111]

110. And I am betting that Hillary is practicing rolling her eyes and saying

"There he goes again". The good thing is, any bullshit will be picked up immediately on TV, as the candidates are so polarizing.

[senz]

117. I am positive she will be politely patronizing toward him.

The goal being to paint him as a crank, an outsider, a nice person not to be taken seriously. If he ever takes a poke at her, we might get a replay of 2008 Hillary -- for whom all adjectives that come to mind are unprintable.

[merrily]

132. That type antic worked well for Prez Reagan, but not for Prez Gore.

[zentrum]

111. What can we do?

You're right about how the Dems lose elections—by locking out the base. I think Bernie's supporters need to flood the streets in front of CNN during the debates or whoever is hosting.

[merrily]

133. Start getting out the word on social media now.

[zentrum]

134. Yeah—American Spring.

[senz]

138. Thank you, zentrum. You've nailed it, that's what this is.

Bernie's political revolution is the American Spring.

[zentrum]

150. Let's go!

[merrily]

139. OMG. Democratic Party Spring. Perfect!

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[zentrum]

151. ^^Yes!!^^

[merrily]

158. I am already stealing it. I will try to remember to give you credit, zentrum.

[zentrum]

166. No need!

It's the idea that counts.

[SusanCalvin]

113. No surprise.

DWS is nothing if not brazen.

Bernie will still slaughter (politely) HRC - the applause track will just be out of sync.

[pinebox]

124. This is one reason why I'm an indy

and will never join the democratic party. Sorry. More cronyism and more corporate bullshit.

[RKP5637]

131. Yet another reason validated for why I dumped my DNC membership sometime ago. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

137. The Hillary smear campaign is in full swing.

Any lie to bring her down.

[Le Taz Hot]

140. No need for us to smear her,

her own record is there for all to see. Let's start with that "yes" vote on the IWR.

Now, the Hillary Clinton room is down the hall, then take a SHARP right. Here, here's some bottled water for your journey.

[merrily]

141. Please don't call members of the Bernie Group liars here.

Bad enough that nonsense goes on everywhere else on this board.

[smokey nj]

145. Buh-bye.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

143. Bernie is wise

and he is a good debater. Don't forget Martin O' is there too.

[Scootaloo]

152. So, a bunch of Clinton supporters will come out liking Bernie.

They can stack it all they want, but the reality is simple. Clinton sucks at debates, and Bernie is great on the issues.