WTF? Hillary now says she's "ending private prisons", but her bundlers are private prison lobbyists?

[99th_Monkey]

Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:41 PM - Edit history (3)

This link is being touted i the Hillary Group as "proof" that Hillary says "she will end (private prisons)"
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

But as recently as 2-3 months ago, Hillary was reportedly using Private Prison lobbyists as fund-raisers and bundlers for her Super-Pac.

How the hell does that work? How can anyone take what Hillary says seriously anymore?

I KNOW where Bernie Sanders stand on this,his position is clear as a bell, with no strings attached
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/17/3702659/bernie-sanders-prison-bill/

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Guess Who Else Is Fundraising for Clinton: Private Prison Lobbyists
In addition to Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is turning to lobbyists for the two biggest private prison companies in the country, Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group, to raise money for her 2016 presidential candidacy.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/24/guess-who-else-fundraising-clinton-private-prison-lobbyists

[SoapBox]

1. WTF?

[rhett o rick]

16. Hold the press. I believe she said "phase out". She is a master of rhetoric. Phase out is

meaningless without a time period.

[Dustlawyer]

19. "... Work to reform..." Vague bull shit to stop the bleeding black voters.

Where are the specific policy provisions?

[merrily]

39. A political science professor at Harvard once informed me that the technical term is "argle bargle."

[rhett o rick]

54. Thanks. Sounds about right. Sadly some love their candidates that do that. Requires less

thought, argle bargle.

[dorkzilla]

60. Wait, hang on..I thought YOU were the master of rhett o rick. I’m confused! nt

[rhett o rick]

62. I won't say master, but thanks. I can spot it a mile away. Someone here

listed some examples of typical rhetoric phrases. I wish I would have kept them. "We will phase out _______." is one as well as "I don't know if we need _________", is another.

[SmittynMo]

2. She should be called on this Tuesaday.

Bernie does all the work. She's like, great, I'm for that too.

It's happened far too many times.

WTF, is right!!!

[99th_Monkey]

4. I just submitted that question to MoveOn.org as a question to be asked candidates on Tues.

Guess we'll see if it gets asked. I made it a two-part question.

Private Prisons: a) do you support ending private prisons in America, b) has your campaign ever used private prison lobbyists as fund-raisers and/or bundlers for your Super-PAC?

[Eric J in MN]

10. How do we suggest questions? NT

NT

[99th_Monkey]

14. Here's the MoveOn link

they of course want money too, but you can still submit one here:
http://pol.moveon.org/questions2015.html?id=133533-18820853-VwK%3DpZx&t=1

[Eric J in MN]

26. Thanks (NT)

NT

[magical thyme]

44. thank you. I just asked about Hillary's plan to rein in Wall St, which includes

prosecuting and fining criminal banks such as those that caused the 2008 crisis. I asked if she would include her top donors, such as JP Morgan, Citigroup and Credit Suisse (those are 3 of the 5 that she referred to in her editorial).

I'm thinking of starting an OP on them, but don't want to hurt tender feelings.

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

53. Don't forget Futures Brokerages

Jon Corzine and now defunct MF Global would be a start.

[magical thyme]

56. in her editorial, she very specifically mentioned 5 top banks and HSBS by name

and by their deeds. The Morgan and Citi are the US 2 of the 5 she referred to that were involved in fixing interest rates; Credit Suisse was part of the HSBS money laundering scheme.

That's why I very specifically singled out those banks by name...because she did by reference, and they are near the top of her donors list.

[Eric J in MN]

59. Most of the people at those banks

...who donated to her probably weren't involved in those crimes.

[Pastiche423]

58. Another way is via Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/posts/10154106216186509:0?can_id=0663ed9f2e65b0c0e94b16e0cd621724&source=email-democratic-debate-tomorrow-submit-your-question-today&email_referrer=democratic-debate-tomorrow-submit-your-question-today&email_subject=democratic-debate-tomorrow-submit-your-question-today

[Duckhunter935]

3. Only for this week

[99th_Monkey]

24. Just in time, before Oct 13th dabate

where she's apparently going to just point to Sanders, on every issue, saying "what he said--->"

[Teamster Jeff]

5. Maybe they don't expect any favors and want Hillary because it would be best for the country

[rhett o rick]

12. You didn't fool me.

[LiberalElite]

6. the next time she

says that - look for the wink.

[Wilms]

17. Wow! Look at what each of us posted at 06:42 PM!

[LiberalElite]

43. wow wow WOW!

[BeanMusical]

63. That's so cool!

[Wilms]

7. .

[rhett o rick]

13. "Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. I want to eliminate private prisons, yeah, that's it."

ala Jon Lovitz

[Le Taz Hot]

8. Hillary also says she' s now agaist the XL pipeline and the TPP.

And she wonders why she has a HUGE credibility gap.

[cascadiance]

27. And with the TPP basically almost passed now...

Unless we can get enough people to lobby Republican senators to also vote against it when a simple majority vote without a filibuster comes up for it, Keystone XL Pipeline will also either be brought back or basically push tons of more debt on to us from a resolution from a TPP ISDS court that surely would let Transcanada screw us one way or the other. And Hillary will act like there's nothing she could do about it then, when she COULD have done a lot more like Bernie has all along tried to do to stop it when one could stop it.

[Eric J in MN]

9. It's nice that she wants to "phase out" private prisons, but

...she doesn't say when they'd be phased out.

Bernie Sanders does. He introduced the "The Justice Is Not for Sale Act" which "bars the federal government from contracting with private companies starting two years after the bill is passed."

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-house-leaders-introduce-bill-to-ban-private-prisons

[Perogie]

11. Saying anything to get elected since 2006

[840high]

22. Perfect.

[99th_Monkey]

25. How did "flip-flopping" destroy John Kerry, but no one seems to notice when Hillary does it

except a few random cartoonists, and Bernie Sanders supporters.

[merrily]

40. Simple. As nominee, he had to face Republicans, who used his one big flip flop against him.

Despite all the hype about how vetted she is, yadda yadda, the only Republican she has had to face is the guy she ran against for the Senate, who made the yooge error of trying to bully or menace her physically during a debate.

If she is the nominee, just wait. "You ain't seen nuttin' yet."

[PeteyPal]

33. Don't worry...

She will change back after winning the nomination. She got Romney's Etcha Sketch.

[n2doc]

15. She is following the third way gameplan

Say anything to get elected. Will mean nothing once she is in.

Only way to actually enact these policies is to get a person who has been consistent in his beliefs and stands. We all know who that is.

[cui bono]

30. +1

We've seen that with the last two Dem presidents.

[merrily]

41. Did you hear Grijalva on CNN? "Consistent, consistent, consistent, Bernie did not put on these

shoes yesterday morning, consistent, consistent, consistent. No, I'm not saying Hillary's inconsistent. I'm saying Bernie's consistent. Did I mention Bernie's consistent?

Loved it!

[Live and Learn]

18. The morphing is amazing, isn't it.

As Bernie might say, I am delighted she has come to this decision but I wish she had done it earlier and spare thousands of people the horrors of private prisons.

[99th_Monkey]

23. Exactly. Clintons & prisons go way back, to Bill's War on Drugs, get tough on crime, etc. -nt-

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Won't SOMEBODY think of all of those out of work guards?

[99th_Monkey]

32. Haven't you heard?

Under the Sanders Administration there will be oodles of jobs,
rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.

It's much more healthy work too, than abusing prisoners. Yes, I'm
thinking of them too.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. I guess they could work as night watchmen at job sites.

[99th_Monkey]

35. Now yur feeling the Bern

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. I already did. The first comment was a joke.....

Like I care what happens to a bunch of private sector prison guards who are probably unfit to work in a legit government run prison.

Probably corrupt as hell.

[99th_Monkey]

37. I knew that silly

I was being playfully sarcastic WITH you, not against you .. It takes ALL of us .. because fuck this shit.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. Where's the handle so I can flush this room?

[99th_Monkey]

49. ? not sure what you mean ?

"flush this room"?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. Just something I say when things get messy.

[99th_Monkey]

57. um .. ok. n/t

[onecaliberal]

21. But but but... She's for you, damit.

[cascadiance]

28. One thing she still hasn't reversed yet is her stance on H-1B Visa program expansion...

... which DOES cost Americans jobs, which she is using now as a rationalization for opposing TPP after the fact.

I wonder if it will take a potential threat of it being asked as a debate question in one of the few debates we have (which she's probably counting on it not being a large enough issue to be so), or if the Republicans are able to get a huge H-1B quota expansion on some immigration bill that has a lot of other goodies in it for corporatists that they want to try and push corporate Democrats in to signing this quarter. Probably won't happen in time before primary season, so she'll probably still try to avoid taking a stance here. We should PUSH her to do so to see if we can push her in to taking a current public position on it to restate her position from 2007 supporting it, or to change gears on this issue as well.

[99th_Monkey]

29. Near as I can tell, it doesn't much matter what Hillary says she supports

or doesn't support. She's clearly saying, "whatever Bernie says, that's my position", which
IMHO does not mean diddley-squat. nothing.

Once she (god forbid) gets into the WH, THEN and only then, will she show her true colors,
and it doesn't take a genius to know what that will look like. Just look at her record.

[merrily]

42. She's been waiting for her private prison lobbyist bundlers to evolve.

I don't know why they're lagging behind. She's had to evolve on so very many issues and they only need to evolve on this one.

[99th_Monkey]

45. private prison corporatists are known to be quite the knuckle-draggers

So it's bound to take them a bit longer to "evolve" imho.

[merrily]

46. I could have lived my entire life without looking into that mouth.

You got a fake heart. Now, get a toothbrush!

[99th_Monkey]

47. Sorry Merrily, perhaps it was in poor taste to attach the the Cheney Snarl.

without at least some kind of warning. my bad.

[merrily]

48. Oh, 99th, you are NEVER bad. Only Cheney is bad.

[99th_Monkey]

50. :-)

[orpupilofnature57]

51. She is ambiguous about everything,, consistently .

[99th_Monkey]

52. Yep. Bernie is making history alright ..

but .. shhh .. we wouldn't want the M$M to find out about it, until it's too late.

[L0oniX]

61. Psssssst... Hey prison industry bundlers ...it's just campaign bullshit - Your pal... Hillary.

[azmom]

65. K&R

[BeanMusical]

64. "How can anyone take what Hillary says seriously anymore?"

Acid in the Kool-Aid?