I am going to say something unexpected

[Robbins]

but i don't think tonight's debate is such a slame dunk for clinton.

It really allowes Bernie to show his judgement.how he voted against both iraq wars while she was cheerleader and believed Bush and cheney in 2002.Bernie predicted iris.

the biggest problem for clinton that many don't see is she has learned nothing from iraq.She has continued to push for military involevent in middle east.Bernie voted against arming syrian rebels.Clinton is to right of obama on Syria and Iran.

Clinton will be on full neocon warhawk mode tonight.Bernie also should use it to bring it back to domestic affairs by saying how
do we pay for all these wars and military buildup.

He can create a sharp contrest with Clinton.many americans are weary of more war.The Clintons since they don't have to fight
in them and their daughter won't have no problem with war.Remember Bill Clinton in 2004 practuly defended Bush on Iraq.

And let's not forget in 2007 Clinton practicully was open to torture.

[PatrickforO]

1. Well, that's what I'm hoping.

We'll see.

[Robbins]

3. Thing is

we have to be prepared for MSM pundits to declare her winner by saying she sounded presidential and was seen as strong while not even focusing on what Bernie said.

[leftcoastmountains]

8. They've already decided.

They are declaring her to be the winner 2 hours before the
debates start.

[Robbins]

10. I don't watch Cable news anymore

but that doesn't surprise me at all.

[Doitnow]

30. Has anyone noticed that

Huffington Post has not been posting many Dem Presidential polls lately. I'm betting all this talk lately about Hillary gaining on Bernie is just that---talk. She may be going lower for all we know and we're being kept in the dark. They may be hoping the second debate will give her a bump and in the meantime making Bernie supporters lose confidence. Dirty pool.

Go, Bernie.

[840high]

2. I wish it wasn't on a Sat. night.

[Robbins]

4. that was by design by DWS

to limit the people who could see Bernie.

[840high]

16. Yes. Wish she would go away.

[SoapBox]

14. And the next is on a Saturday followed by a Sunday...

They couldn't have possibly picked days that are worse.

Thanks for the rigging DWS!

[passiveporcupine]

25. Saturday is usually followed by Sunday

But I think I know what you meant.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Bernie has the edge tonight. This country is sick to death of spending money on wars!

Let Hillary start her warmongering. It's the WRONG move. She'll be finished.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[dorkzilla]

23. I agree.

Hubby and I were just discussing that, and although he thinks the timing favors Hillary Hawk, I think if Bernie just contrasts his views with hers he’s going to nail this. People all over the world have battle fatigue. I don’t want anymore involvement in places we have no fucking business being in, creating misery and terrorists and orphans wherever we go.

[passiveporcupine]

26. My fear is fear itself

Too many people backed the Iraq war out of fear (they were too gullible and fell for the lies because they so badly needed something to fix 9/11). My fear is that out of fear too many people now want a war to protect us from ISIS.

They didn't understand then and they won't now. So Hillary coming across as strong on attacking terrorists (even if it means another war with another country) will appeal to them.

[dorkzilla]

32. You’re probably right but I hope not

I don’t think people - Democrats anyway for the most part - are as gullible as they were 12 years ago. But that may be because most of the people I am inclined to discuss politics with are all right here, so my perception is probably skewed somewhat.

[ChiciB1]

37. I Just Posted The Same Thing... Sickening Isn't I? n/t

[ChiciB1]

36. I'm Not Convinced They Are... And I Fear Too Many

will decided HILLARY has experience even if it was ALL WRONG! The "fix" has been in from day one and all that "we the people" can do is either RISE UP in unison or do what so many have done in the past. FALL ON OUR SWORD and go down in defeat. I wish I had more faith in the American people to really SEE WHAT'S GOING ON!

Unfortunately it's never been enough when I've said I TOLD YOU SO!!

[merrily]

6. That's not unexpected. If the first debate threw him off his game, he won't

be good. Otherwise, he should be great.

Remember Obama's first debate against Romney in 2012? Only heaven knows what he had on his shoulders at that time, but he was way off his game. The Saturday Night Live spoof of it may be online somewhere. He came back like gangbusters for the second one. I'd been holding my breath in between debates and was thrilled to exhale.

Either way, it's out of our hands.

[Robbins]

9. I actully thought bernie did pretty good in first debate

I was very happy with his performance of course the MSM soon got to work destroying it.

as for the first obama/Romney debate i was amazed how many let romney lie through his teeth trying to sound moderate.often ignoring what he said during the campagin.CNN even tried to claim romney won second debate too even though noone bought that.

[merrily]

12. Sorry. I should have said if the media reviews from the first debate threw Sanders off his game,

he may not be good. Nice catch, excellent point, thank you.

No, Obama definitely won every Obama Romney debate except maybe the first. As to the first, Romney didn't really win either. No one won the first one.

[leftcoastmountains]

7. You are all arguing as thinkers.

Rarely do people think.

[Robbins]

13. some of us still think

although if i didn't have so many clinton supporters on ignore list i suspect they are beating the war drums.

[rhett o rick]

11. k & r. Thanks for posting. nm

[Doctor_J]

15. I dunno. massacres are good for hawks.

The republicans will make hay out of yesterday, and so will Mrs Clinton. Just the way it is

[dreamnightwind]

17. Agreed

Hopefully Bernie will prove us wrong. I don't think the rethink necessary to get us out of this mess will be permitted in the frame of debate tonight, it will all be setup as what kind of military actions do we support?

[Pharaoh]

18. I agree

this Paris thing will totally deflect from talking about the economic equality issues which are key to this campaign. But I have faith in Bernie!

[MisterP]

33. Sanders is well-known for opposing Iraq, while Clinton still pats herself on the back for Libya

and says we need to go further in Syria

the poll numbers "consolidated" for a week after the last debates, rather than going up or down, but Sanders will still stick out after the debate for being the only big voice in a sea of "let's just nuke 'em harder": his approach is precisely NOT to respond short-term to this or that bloody attack, but to pull back to every major aspect of the problem, to start off with, like, Gerald Ford in Afghanistan 1973

(that's also another important detail, that his recruitment of Dem voters continues after big events)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. Hillary open to torture?

[Fawke Em]

20. I agree with you.

In fact, the expectation that her sabre-rattling will win the night gives Bernie a chance to show her up.

All Bernie has to say is, "I voted against the Iraqi War. Sec. Clinton voted for it. And, as a result, the ongoing war has destabilized the region and brought us ISIS/ISIL and we see the devastation involved in that decision."

And, then it's done.

[dorkzilla]

35. Ding ding ding...we have a winner!

That’s exactly what he needs to do and hopefully he will.

TIME FOR THE DEBATE!

[Jack Rabbit]

21. I agree

Even if Mrs. Clinton were the only candidate on stage, if she lets Dick Cheney's voice come out of her head then she's still only second best.

[zentrum]

22. But Americans are blood thirsty.

They respond well to Neocon saber rattling after attacks. She'll want to out-Republican the Republicans on this and aggression is what Americans are conditioned for. What they expect.

[Fawke Em]

38. Not so much anymore.

Maybe the GOP voters do, but I'm not concerned with them tonight.

[zentrum]

39. Ok. Hope you're right.

[ejbr]

24. Apparently

Dem voters found Clintons answers - "I told them to cut it out" and "it takes more than $600k to bribe me" - as reasonable assurance that she's got bank shenanigans on lock down. Or the last recession wasn't that bad. Either way, I can't see Bernie swaying the masses who either want a female no matter what, don't mind this potential compromise of the presidency, or believe she's someone more likable a la Dubya, making this race a farce.

[zwyziec]

27. The country needs HRC here and now....

Bernie, god bless him, just can't measure up.

[Robbins]

28. you do realize this is bernie group

i strongly disagree with the country needing clinton.

[Crystalite]

29. No, I don't think we need more of the same war-minded behaviors here and now.

We need to be contemplative about how our actions have helped to create, not prevent, global terrorism.

The country needs something else, someone else, here and now.

Hillary, god bless her, just can't measure up.

[CoffeeCat]

31. She's a neocon warmonger

...and Hillary is exactly what we don't need while we're facing so much volatility in the Middle East.

Robert Kagan, one of the grandaddies of the neocon brigade--and a founder of PNAC--said that he had no problem with Hillary Clinton's foreign policy stances.

These neocons, if allowed, will have us at war within days of gaining power.

Obama and Kerry held the line on these sociopaths. Clinton sure as hell won't.

Do you want more war in the Middle East? More of our soldiers dying for greed and to enrich defense contractors who are in bed with our politicians?

Because that's what you'll get with Hillary.

Bernie is the only candidate who has the courage to stand up to these horrifying people!

[Stardust]

40. Jeb! was a PNACer. But you probably knew that. I wish more people knew it and all that it implies.

[ChiciB1]

34. I'm Sure Bernie Has Truth On His Side, BUT What Really

worries me is that TOO MANY PEOPLE will think Hillary has more experience! Too many WON'T look at HER experience and her involvement while this was going on has been wrong. BUSH et al should have been prosecuted for WAR CRIMES! How much clearer can it be than where we are today??

WHO SAID NO?? WHO SAID YES?? Too bad our very own Democratic Party won't listen to those of us who have said NO from the get go! Who has more blood on their hands?

Even today people seem yo want MORE WAR, and even think this is ALWAYS THE ANSWER! We stuck a stick in so many mounds of fire ants in the MIDDLE EAST and THIS is what we got!

BLOOD & OIL! All adds up to GREED! I'm so fed up with what we're doing to a once Great Nation. Will nobody lift a finger to STOP IT?? Who's The Fiddler Now??