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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:12 AM Nov 2015

In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush NOV 11

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both


In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41. The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points. The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election. It would be equally shocking if future polling shows that the Sanders lead over Bush remains at landslide margins.

For today, there are two issues these polls present. First, the national reporting of the presidential campaign completely fails to reflect Sanders's strength in a general election, especially against Trump, and against Bush as well. Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.

It is a fallacy argued by conservatives and, in my view, inaccurately parroted by the mainstream media, that Sanders and other liberals take positions that are far too "left." The polling shows, issue by issue, and increasingly in general election match-ups of Republicans running against Sanders, that it is the left, not the right, which has the upper hand with American voters.

Budowsky was an aide to former Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas) and former Chief Deputy Majority Whip Bill Alexander (D-Ark.). He holds an LL.M. degree in international financial law from the London School of Economics. Contact him at brentbbi@webtv.net.
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In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush NOV 11 (Original Post) Demeter Nov 2015 OP
K&R!!! Suggest that this LiberalElite Nov 2015 #1
Agreed Sherman A1 Nov 2015 #2
Not by me...feel free! Demeter Nov 2015 #3
I hear that! merrily Nov 2015 #11
I just posted it there and got the hell out FAST eom LiberalElite Nov 2015 #23
It will be interesting to see how the numbers change after the second debate. winter is coming Nov 2015 #4
So far not so much SmittynMo Nov 2015 #9
According to stories before the first debate, the room for that debate was being stacked merrily Nov 2015 #12
I don't doubt it at all SmittynMo Nov 2015 #17
I am pulling for Bernie Jarqui Nov 2015 #5
but, but he's unelectable? stupidicus Nov 2015 #6
This is all fine in theory SmittynMo Nov 2015 #7
I'll save the trolls some time Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #8
Bernie supporters must register as Democrats and participate in the caucuses Android3.14 Nov 2015 #10
Also, it's Volunteer O'Clock and Donation O'Clock. We can't wait until caucuses and primaries start merrily Nov 2015 #13
Yeah, but wait until they find out that he's a socialist. Dawgs Nov 2015 #14
He IS electable in the GE. Period. senz Nov 2015 #15
Last night, as I came out of rehearsal, the vehicle parked next to mine Bohunk68 Nov 2015 #16
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #18
Yet they keep enforcing the Hillary inevitability theme. madfloridian Nov 2015 #19
There's only one thing inevitable about Hillary Demeter Nov 2015 #22
When the media finally allows Sanders Duval Nov 2015 #20
The scale of the mistake we will be making if we don't nominate Bernie is indescribable. K&R. nt stillwaiting Nov 2015 #21
K&R. Sure can't argue with Budowsky's credentials. Knows what he is talking about. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #24
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. Not by me...feel free!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:19 AM
Nov 2015

I have better things to do with my time and energy than leap into snake pits.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. I hear that!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:41 AM
Nov 2015

Well, actually I read it, but you know what I mean.

For months, I stuck relatively closely to the Bernie Group.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. It will be interesting to see how the numbers change after the second debate.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

My guess is that Bernie's numbers will be stronger.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
9. So far not so much
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:26 AM
Nov 2015

I don't get it. And probably never will. He smoked her. And her answer on Wall street was nothing more than Clinton fluff. Everyone fell for it. I mean, how could she possibly get applause for her answer? It's quite sad to see what is going on.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. According to stories before the first debate, the room for that debate was being stacked
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:42 AM
Nov 2015

with Hillary supporters.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
17. I don't doubt it at all
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

The deck is stacked. It's quite obvious. And it's backed up by the corrupt SPAC politicians, and the corrupt media.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
5. I am pulling for Bernie
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:09 AM
Nov 2015

The poll shows Sanders +12 over Trump and +10 over Bush
The headline claims the above is a shock but CNN and NBC had recently shown Sanders +9 over Trump and he's been as high as +21
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

It also shows Clinton +15 over Trump and +8 over Bush

The headline and article are a little odd to me

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
7. This is all fine in theory
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

But we have to get past the oligarch on the democratic side.

I trust her about as far as I can throw my house.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
10. Bernie supporters must register as Democrats and participate in the caucuses
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:34 AM
Nov 2015

The only way we draw the line on this corporate puppet is if we all show up at our local caucuses to vote in the primary.
At that moment, we can expose the lie of her oddly overwhelming popularity.

Otherwise, the narrative the corporate media has been pushing becomes reality and The Swarm will dance on the grave of the Sander's Campaign and welcome this travesty of human governance.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. Also, it's Volunteer O'Clock and Donation O'Clock. We can't wait until caucuses and primaries start
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:44 AM
Nov 2015
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
14. Yeah, but wait until they find out that he's a socialist.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:52 AM
Nov 2015

I mean, it's as bad as being a nazi, right?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
15. He IS electable in the GE. Period.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

When it gets down to it, he'll be more electable than Hillary because a) his message appeals to working class Americans, and b) he doesn't have the baggage of his Democratic opponent.

If the DNC weren't in the bag for Clinton, they'd be smart to throw their wholehearted support to Bernie.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
16. Last night, as I came out of rehearsal, the vehicle parked next to mine
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:18 AM
Nov 2015

had a Bernie sticker on it. The driver was waiting for his son to come out from basketball practice. This was at the local middle school. I stopped and told him, "great sticker." He stated that he had seen my Bernie 2016 sticker on my rear window and parked next to me so people could see at least two Bernie supporters. We had a short conversation and the thing I took away was that if Hillary wins, he will not vote for the top of the ticket, but vote for the bottom of the ticket,leaving President blank. He was even thinking of Bernie as a write-in. He brought up Goldman-Sachs, the support for the Iraq War and the recent comment about Wall Street.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
22. There's only one thing inevitable about Hillary
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:05 PM
Nov 2015

She's going to lose. She will never be President.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
20. When the media finally allows Sanders
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

more time to be heard, his supporters will continue to grow in numbers. This is good news indeed.


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