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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:52 PM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton Attacks Bernie Sanders’ Progressive Agenda

Jonathan Cohn
Senior National Correspondent


This is why Hillary Clinton makes so many progressives queasy.

The former secretary of state and front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination has launched a new attack on her chief rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The subject is taxes and Sanders' apparent willingness to raise them, even on the middle class, to pay for his ambitious domestic agenda.

Sanders has proposed a variety of new programs designed to help Americans pay for everything from child care to college tuition. Most famously, Sanders is also a longtime proponent of “single-payer” health insurance -- in other words, expanding Medicare so everybody, not just the elderly, could enroll in it.

While Sanders has supported the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, he has described the legislation as merely a first step toward guaranteeing that every American has health insurance. He has said that creating a single-payer system, similar to the schemes that now operate in countries such as France and Taiwan, would achieve that goal.

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Hillary Clinton Attacks Bernie Sanders’ Progressive Agenda (Original Post) n2doc Nov 2015 OP
But she's pretty and smart and that's all that really matters. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #1
and polished,like an apple wendylaroux Nov 2015 #3
Less; you can at least eat an apple Scootaloo Nov 2015 #9
true,true wendylaroux Nov 2015 #10
Granted, you can eat the rich, too, but it's a little more prep work Scootaloo Nov 2015 #11
a lot more prep work! wendylaroux Nov 2015 #12
Any Sanders Middle Class tax hike, would be a mere pittance 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #2
I also wonder how today's rates on the middle class compare n2doc Nov 2015 #5
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #6
I really hope Bernie touches on this point, when he explains Democratic Socialism tomorrow 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #8
there'll BE a middle class MisterP Nov 2015 #14
Yes. Maybe more to the point. Thanks 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #15
Huge +1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #16
She sounds more like Mitt Romney everyday...... Capt.Rocky300 Nov 2015 #4
Bernie has apparently responded to this attack and is calling her out on flip-flopping on universal n8dogg83 Nov 2015 #7
It's time for the Clinton supporters to admit that they do not want a liberal/progressive president Doctor_J Nov 2015 #13
Dang! AzDar Nov 2015 #17
Hillary is coming off as a fucking republican. azmom Nov 2015 #18
You will be paying less. The health care tax would be far less than current premiums-- eridani Nov 2015 #20
Hillary Is Already Triangulating Against single payer advocates eridani Nov 2015 #19
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. Any Sanders Middle Class tax hike, would be a mere pittance
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

compared to what the Middle Class is NOW paying for their health care, their college educations, etc.
not to mention their pension funds and Social Security that the 3rd Way is salivating to steal, once
their Wall Street Queen is coronated.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. I also wonder how today's rates on the middle class compare
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

with those experienced under President Clinton? Seems to me I remember Obama kept the Bush cuts for the middle class intact. Frankly I would be fine going back to 1999 era rates if we got something like universal Heath Care!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. I really hope Bernie touches on this point, when he explains Democratic Socialism tomorrow
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

about how his campaign theme "when we stand up together, we win" .. about how being
"in it together" with the social welfare in mind is good for everyone, except the vultures
and vampires on Wall St.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
4. She sounds more like Mitt Romney everyday......
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

and we know where it got him in the general. I'm totally disgusted with the Granholm tweet. A complete distortion of Bernie's proposals. Wonder what Hillary promised her.

n8dogg83

(248 posts)
7. Bernie has apparently responded to this attack and is calling her out on flip-flopping on universal
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:17 PM
Nov 2015

Health care and her indebtedness to the pharmaceutical industry:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/toughest-attack-yet-bernie-sanders-accuses-hillary-clinton-healthcare-flip-flop.html

Excerpt:

During the CBS Democratic debate on Saturday, November 14, 2015, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tried to use the tragedy of 9/11 as a political excuse for her coziness with Wall Street interests, including the millions she has received in Wall Street campaign funding over her career. That defense of the Clinton campaign’s corporate fundraising has been widely assailed in the media and on social media. In an attempt to divert the public’s gaze from Wall Street coziness, the Clinton campaign has launched a false attack on universal health care – something she has previously supported. The Clinton campaign received more contributions from the pharmaceutical industry than any other – Republican or Democrat – through the first six months of the campaign. So, what is this false attack really all about: either Secretary Hillary Clinton is repudiating years of advocating for universal health or she’s playing politics with the health of America’s families.

….

It’s hard to understand how someone who claims to have been a supporter of universal health insurance for years is suddenly moving to the right and attacking universal health care. Or, maybe it’s not:






The Clinton campaign received far more money from the drug and medical device industries than any other presidential candidate in either party during the first six months of the campaign, according to figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. She accepted $164,315 during that period.

At the same time, she has accepted significant contributions from individual donors. She received contributions, for example, from two executives at Jazz Pharmaceuticals, which raised the price of a drug used to treat sleep disorders by more than 800 percent, from roughly $2 to $19 a pill.



Glad he is fighting back. I have a feeling that having SuperPacs is going to be a liability for the candidates this election.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. It's time for the Clinton supporters to admit that they do not want a liberal/progressive president
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:13 PM
Nov 2015

Stop with the polls and Bernie-hating and lies and just admit they prefer a conservative establishment president.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
18. Hillary is coming off as a fucking republican.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:22 PM
Nov 2015

She won't raise taxes because she doesn't offer anything substantial. I would rather pay a little bit more to have a healthier more educated populace. What we have now, is not working for the majority of people. We need real and substantial change.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
20. You will be paying less. The health care tax would be far less than current premiums--
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:20 AM
Nov 2015

--with no deductibles. That would include eliminating deductibles from Medicare. We'd have to argue about copays when hashing out the details.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. Hillary Is Already Triangulating Against single payer advocates
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:17 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/hillary_clinton_triangulates_against_bernie_sanders.html

A standard Democratic presidential nominee representing the center-left of the party might call a single-payer system politically impractical in order to argue against it. “If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system,” Sen. Barack Obama said during his 2008 presidential campaign, for example. He then explained why he wouldn’t pursue such a model: “People don’t have time to wait. They need relief now. So my attitude is let’s build up the system we got. Let’s make it more efficient. We may be over time—as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered—decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.” In the end that approach resulted in the Affordable Care Act, compromise legislation that greatly expanded coverage without really overhauling the country’s private health insurance model. But Obama didn’t really disown the idea of single-payer, which many progressives still prefer to the current system.

Clinton, however, is going much further by appropriating one of the right’s central talking points against government-funded universal health insurance: Think of the taxes! She’s not just saying that a single-payer system is a political nonstarter with conservatives. She’s reciting the actual conservative talking point that would make a single-payer system a political nonstarter.

There are fairly obvious policy counterpoints to that argument. She is well-aware of them and chooses to ignore them, because they would either blunt or negate her convenient political attack. Sure, under Sanders’ plan, the combination of the income and payroll taxes would add up to 8.9 percent (assuming employers pass on the full 6.7 percent payroll tax) on most earners. But people would not be paying for health insurance anymore, and a universal, public system would save money by eliminating all of the actuarial costs and profit expectations associated with the private insurance system.

If Clinton wanted to say that she wouldn’t push for a single-payer system because it’s a political dead-ender right now, or because she’s spotted another legitimate policy flaw with the idea, that would be more acceptable. What she’s doing, instead, is essentially red-baiting about Bernie Sanders’ Wacky Taxes in her dismissal of a policy that, on paper, draws plenty of support among Democratic voters. That’s not good for the single-payer health care movement, which is hoping that some blue states will be able to use ACA waivers to experiment with single-payer in their states but so far are running into trouble thanks to the exact talking point Clinton’s deploying. And it’s not good for American liberalism in general, which is supposed to defend the belief that government funded by taxes can solve problems and improve people’s livelihoods.


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