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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:28 PM Dec 2015

Clinton just slimed Bernie Sanders with a discredited Murdoch attack on single-payer health care

Clinton's attack on Sanders' health plan gets its numbers from a Wall Street Journal story disowned by a key source
by ELIZA A. WEBB

While debating Bernie Sanders last night in New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton made an egregiously dishonest claim.

During the candidates’ discussion on college education, Clinton stated that Senator Sanders’ proposals would cost trillions of dollars, saying, “Free college, a single payer system for health, and it’s been estimated we’re looking at 18 to $20 trillion, about a 40 percent [dent] in the federal budget.”

This is flat wrong.

The $18 trillion price tag comes from an article published in the Wall Street Journal. Authored by Laura Meckler, the piece attributes the vast majority— $15 trillion— of this exorbitant amount to Bernie Sanders’ plan to expand Medicare and guarantee care for all sick or injured Americans.

Meckler writes that, “… a similar proposal [to expand Medicaid] in Congress… would require $15 trillion in federal spending over 10 years on top of existing federal health spending, according to an analysis of the plan by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.”

Only problem?

Gerald Friedman himself disagrees.

more

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/hillary_clinton_just_slimed_bernie_sanders_with_a_discredited_rupert_murdoch_attack_on_single_payer_health_care/

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Clinton just slimed Bernie Sanders with a discredited Murdoch attack on single-payer health care (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2015 OP
Can't stand this nasty woman. 840high Dec 2015 #1
Quite frankly, some of her supporters are worse than she is. If that's even possible. draa Dec 2015 #2
Very possible hootinholler Dec 2015 #10
Do you mean like this which somehow survived a jury? uppityperson Dec 2015 #14
Well in my defense it is much more imaginative than this hootinholler Dec 2015 #16
You had a chance and chose to use the "he started it" defense? uppityperson Dec 2015 #18
Yeah I had a chance to sit there and get hippie punched again hootinholler Dec 2015 #23
I don't care who you support, but being nasty isn't necessary uppityperson Dec 2015 #37
pardon me DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #20
William769's hillaryclintonsupporters.com hootinholler Dec 2015 #25
+1. I'd like to know also. nt nc4bo Dec 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author dorkzilla Dec 2015 #33
WOW, just WOW! cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #41
And I almost got a hide. DU is something right now. uppityperson Dec 2015 #44
You deserved a hide. malokvale77 Dec 2015 #52
Calling someone on a nasty post makes "us women look bad"? uppityperson Dec 2015 #61
YUP... malokvale77 Dec 2015 #63
I will continue to call out and alert on and serve on juries for nasty posts. I find it odd that you uppityperson Dec 2015 #68
The one thing she CAN do with precision and grace and that's lie her ass off. nc4bo Dec 2015 #5
Does she really think 840high Dec 2015 #8
I know. Amazing. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #11
Probably. But I also think GOP/GOP-lite is paving the way for her to win (for obvious reasons) nc4bo Dec 2015 #13
She's the most competent Republican out there. Phlem Dec 2015 #28
Bill was the best Republican president we ever had...so there's that. haikugal Dec 2015 #66
Dams it! You put me in my place! Phlem Dec 2015 #71
Back at ya! haikugal Dec 2015 #73
Um, apparently it's working quite well on some here in DU. Phlem Dec 2015 #26
Apparently she does MissDeeds Dec 2015 #31
Why Worry About The Voting Public... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #43
Yes, er no. pangaia Dec 2015 #35
Well, its been working for 30+ yrs, why change the formula? 7962 Dec 2015 #38
Ditto - big time. MissDeeds Dec 2015 #30
Why Is This Citizen Not Surprised cantbeserious Dec 2015 #3
She is being slammed pretty good on FB...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2015 #4
Facebook.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #46
Why are they questioning the word RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #6
OFF with your head!! haikugal Dec 2015 #67
She is a slimy slug. azmom Dec 2015 #7
Makes me flashback to how nasty and desperate she got in '08... AzDar Dec 2015 #9
Deja Vu.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #48
She knew better. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #12
She is counting on the American people not knowing. Hey jwirr Dec 2015 #15
The Australian fascist will do great if Mrs Clinton wins the white house Doctor_J Dec 2015 #17
They have quite the relationship I hear. nt nc4bo Dec 2015 #34
Funny thing is, Hillarycare was single payer. GETPLANING Dec 2015 #19
She will LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL her way to the White House. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #21
"It's only ONE DOLLAR AND SIXTY ONE CENTS A WEEK HILLARY." nt retrowire Dec 2015 #22
Hillary can afford regime change but can't afford Bernie's plan to help Americans? tecelote Dec 2015 #47
THIS 4 LYFE. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #50
Her dishonesty continues. Vattel Dec 2015 #24
Just another routine day-in-the-life Hillary lie ... that's all. Jarqui Dec 2015 #29
I didn't get to watch last night. She actually said That? She knows damn well that that's not true. BlueJazz Dec 2015 #32
Why is it ok to spend trillions on the bankers, but not for the rest of us? midnight Dec 2015 #36
Doncha hate people with government sponsored heath care.... AlbertCat Dec 2015 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Dec 2015 #40
But Ya Gotta Watch.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Dec 2015 #56
Understand... LovingA2andMI Dec 2015 #58
She's comfortable with Murdoch's. They donated to her campaign. Son's wife and Clinton Foundation. nc4bo Dec 2015 #42
Yet some here still insist she's a progressive. Scuba Dec 2015 #49
She's slightly more progressive than most Goldwater supporters jfern Dec 2015 #54
Hillary is a progressive in the same way Bristol Palin is a virgin. Scuba Dec 2015 #55
Rofl! Good one. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #78
Slime and sleaze are standard practices by Clinton and her fan base. Scuba Dec 2015 #45
I don't vote for lying right-wingers jfern Dec 2015 #53
Is it possibe,since all of this BS happen for Bernie Sanders to change his INdemo Dec 2015 #59
Results : LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #69
I was Juror #3. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #70
They're heeeerreeeee. nt nc4bo Dec 2015 #72
"Since when do Democrats attack one another on universal health care?" NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #57
And the Clintonites wonder why we SmittynMo Dec 2015 #65
No, I'm pretty sure they know why. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #74
Slime is what she does. nt truebluegreen Dec 2015 #60
I notice the usual crew is too afraid to post here to defend... Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #62
The comment made me furious last night. Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #64
Fuck her... malokvale77 Dec 2015 #75
She's a corporate trustee. AllyCat Dec 2015 #76
K&R Duval Dec 2015 #77
Any port in a storm, eh? leftupnorth Dec 2015 #79

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
14. Do you mean like this which somehow survived a jury?
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:12 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=30492

On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.

You aren't worthy to even eat your favorite sandwich, not that you would eat a shit sandwich because I hear you hate bread.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
18. You had a chance and chose to use the "he started it" defense?
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:33 PM
Dec 2015

Someone posted something mean on another site, so you choose to post really nasty on DU at a duer.

Thank you for clarifying that you have no regrets about that post.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
23. Yeah I had a chance to sit there and get hippie punched again
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:41 PM
Dec 2015

Fuck that. At some point people fight back. You didn't read the rest of the post did you?

Something mean on another site, no it's not about it being mean, it's about organizing the hippie punching of Bernie supporters while attempting to gaslight us into submission.

Enough is fucking enough. I stand by the post and if I didn't have a cogent point in there somewhere, if it was as you claim a homophobic personal attack without merit, it would have been hidden 7-0.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
37. I don't care who you support, but being nasty isn't necessary
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

Notice that I haven't cussed at or insulted you but manage to get my disgust at a nasty post across? There are ways to fight back without sinking to that level.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #14)

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
44. And I almost got a hide. DU is something right now.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:32 PM
Dec 2015

On Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:37 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

DU you mean like this which somehow survived a jury?
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The obnoxious post that was referenced.. THAT should have been hidden.
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uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
61. Calling someone on a nasty post makes "us women look bad"?
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:03 PM
Dec 2015

Seriously? Saying being nasty isn't necessary and that there are ways to fight back without sinking to that level "makes us women look bad"?

That is " shit" that makes "us women look bad"?

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
63. YUP...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:23 PM
Dec 2015

There is nasty and there is stupid. And there is smart.

Pick where you want to go.

I've been around a long time and I don't see what you are doing as helpful.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
68. I will continue to call out and alert on and serve on juries for nasty posts. I find it odd that you
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

consider calling someone on their nastiness hideable yet say nothing about the nastiness. This is very odd to me. Very odd.

Saying what he wrote was bad is worse than what he wrote, according to you. Pointing out extreme rudeness is a bigger crime than the extreme rudeness itself.

Yup, still seems very odd to me.

I am very amused at being considered as representing "us women". Neato!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
5. The one thing she CAN do with precision and grace and that's lie her ass off.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:45 PM
Dec 2015

It's the Clinton way.

(or deceive as someone on another thread mentioned).

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
8. Does she really think
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:00 PM
Dec 2015

she can get away with constant lying? Does she think we are that stupid?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
13. Probably. But I also think GOP/GOP-lite is paving the way for her to win (for obvious reasons)
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

and doing everything within their power to keep the true People's Candidate from getting much exposure(also for obvious reasons).

The American People are in deep doo-doo and many don't even realize it - and then you have the ones that don't care, it's all good as long as they've got their nut.







LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
43. Why Worry About The Voting Public...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:31 PM
Dec 2015

When the Brought and Sold MSM does the job of fooling the masses at the bequest of Many Benjamin's -- #FoodForThought

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
38. Well, its been working for 30+ yrs, why change the formula?
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:12 PM
Dec 2015

Lies during the Arkansas period, the 92 campaign, all thru the 2 terms, etc etc.
Not to mention all the OTHER coverups that, when mentioned, gets you a hide

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
46. Facebook....
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
Dec 2015

A Place Where Folks Can Be Heard, and Others Can Watch What They Don't Like to Hear/Read. Sometimes FB can be a great place to hangout every one in a while. -- Independent Underground

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
6. Why are they questioning the word
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:52 PM
Dec 2015

of Her Highness Hill the First? After all, she is our first per-ordained queen? People better watch what they say, or they may be classified as enemy combatants, and be tortured and killed after the rot in Guantanamo.

(sarcasm intended)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. She is counting on the American people not knowing. Hey
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:24 PM
Dec 2015

America she was insulting you. We are not that dumb.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
17. The Australian fascist will do great if Mrs Clinton wins the white house
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

I'm unsurprised that she's using his rags in the campaign

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
21. She will LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL her way to the White House.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:38 PM
Dec 2015

She's so unethical. I don't have any respect for her. NONE.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
47. Hillary can afford regime change but can't afford Bernie's plan to help Americans?
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:34 PM
Dec 2015

We know where her priorities are.

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
29. Just another routine day-in-the-life Hillary lie ... that's all.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:49 PM
Dec 2015

If you want four more years of her lyin' and flip-floppin', go to her donate page ... if your wallet is thick enough to make a dent in the pile of Wall Street corporate dough they've got piled up there.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
32. I didn't get to watch last night. She actually said That? She knows damn well that that's not true.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:59 PM
Dec 2015

My opinion of her just dropped a point. I'm surprised...really. I thought she would stay straight.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
39. Doncha hate people with government sponsored heath care....
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:14 PM
Dec 2015

..... lecturing us that government sponsored health care simply won't work?

War mongering and now lying about the benefits of health care reform (after her plan failed)...

How GOP of her! Is she gonna bring up death panels next or just stick with the "we're broke!" lie.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
51. But Ya Gotta Watch....
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:37 PM
Dec 2015

Where one calls out the obvious..... if that makes sense. And other places, one can call out the obvious all day, every day. -- Independent Underground

Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #51)

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
58. Understand...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:54 PM
Dec 2015

But just to let you know, saying you will not blindly check the box for whomever is the Democratic Nominee and nothing else, got a Long-Term former Member of this site Banned for Life.

Manny being kicked is DU's loss, not Manny's

That's the way it rolls in certain places and just wanted to be sure you know.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
42. She's comfortable with Murdoch's. They donated to her campaign. Son's wife and Clinton Foundation.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:27 PM
Dec 2015

Newscorp donated to The Foundation:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/17/the-fox-news-connection-to-clinton-foundation-d/203674

The News Corp. Foundation, the charitable arm of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which at the time was the parent company of Fox News, donated between $500,001 to $1,000,000 to the foundation. James R. Murdoch, the co-chief operating officer of Fox News' current parent company, 21st Century Fox, and son of Rupert Murdoch, donated between $1,000,001 to $5,000,000.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/11/rupert-murdoch-hillary-clinton-and-politics-2016.html

From Australian Financial Review (not sure if this is considered a RW source or not on DU).

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/james-murdoch-edges-closer-to-hillary-clinton-20151201-gld21u

James Murdoch is joining the board of an influential Washington think tank founded by former senior advisers in the Obama administration, fuelling conjecture that he is hedging the family's media empire in preparation for a potential Hillary Clinton Democratic presidency.

The Center for a New American Security said on Tuesday that the 21st Century Fox chief executive would help provide "oversight and set CNAS' strategic direction" for the foreign policy organisation.


The appointment of James Murdoch will boost his profile in Washington and provide an entry into national security issues, building on his professional rehabilitation since moving to New York from London after a phone hacking scandal engulfed Murdoch's British tabloid operations in 2012.


James's wife Kathryn previously worked for the Clinton Climate Initiative and the couple have created the Quadrivium Foundation, to advocate for aligning economic and environmental health, according to her profile on the organisation's website.



Fleas, thick as thieves, everywhere.


INdemo

(6,994 posts)
59. Is it possibe,since all of this BS happen for Bernie Sanders to change his
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:54 PM
Dec 2015

mind and run as an Independent...He would gain millions of followers and then tell DWS could go________________

At this point he could do that and be a real challenge to both parties

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
69. Results :
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:33 PM
Dec 2015

On Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is it possibe,since all of this BS happen for Bernie Sanders to change his
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=87703

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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
64. The comment made me furious last night.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:25 PM
Dec 2015

And everyone ignored what Bernie said about a tax increase to pay for it, BUT that no one would have to pay premiums for insurance or copays and deductibles that are unaffordable, saving companies and individuals money. No one was listening....but I sure heard it, and it makes total sense. I cannot imagine the amount of money that we pay out of pocket as a nation.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
75. Fuck her...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:08 AM
Dec 2015

She's going down. Hopefully before the general. She's toxic waste.

We either rebuild with Bernie, or we have full on revolution.

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