Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumClinton just slimed Bernie Sanders with a discredited Murdoch attack on single-payer health care
Clinton's attack on Sanders' health plan gets its numbers from a Wall Street Journal story disowned by a key source
by ELIZA A. WEBB
While debating Bernie Sanders last night in New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton made an egregiously dishonest claim.
During the candidates discussion on college education, Clinton stated that Senator Sanders proposals would cost trillions of dollars, saying, Free college, a single payer system for health, and its been estimated were looking at 18 to $20 trillion, about a 40 percent [dent] in the federal budget.
This is flat wrong.
The $18 trillion price tag comes from an article published in the Wall Street Journal. Authored by Laura Meckler, the piece attributes the vast majority $15 trillion of this exorbitant amount to Bernie Sanders plan to expand Medicare and guarantee care for all sick or injured Americans.
Meckler writes that,
a similar proposal [to expand Medicaid] in Congress
would require $15 trillion in federal spending over 10 years on top of existing federal health spending, according to an analysis of the plan by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
Only problem?
Gerald Friedman himself disagrees.
more
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/hillary_clinton_just_slimed_bernie_sanders_with_a_discredited_rupert_murdoch_attack_on_single_payer_health_care/
840high
(17,196 posts)draa
(975 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)And they don't like being called out either, LOL
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=30492On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.
You aren't worthy to even eat your favorite sandwich, not that you would eat a shit sandwich because I hear you hate bread.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Someone posted something mean on another site, so you choose to post really nasty on DU at a duer.
Thank you for clarifying that you have no regrets about that post.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Fuck that. At some point people fight back. You didn't read the rest of the post did you?
Something mean on another site, no it's not about it being mean, it's about organizing the hippie punching of Bernie supporters while attempting to gaslight us into submission.
Enough is fucking enough. I stand by the post and if I didn't have a cogent point in there somewhere, if it was as you claim a homophobic personal attack without merit, it would have been hidden 7-0.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Notice that I haven't cussed at or insulted you but manage to get my disgust at a nasty post across? There are ways to fight back without sinking to that level.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)but wehat site was this from?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)If you haven't seen it, this is an eye opening thread.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Response to uppityperson (Reply #14)
dorkzilla This message was self-deleted by its author.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)On Sun Dec 20, 2015, 08:37 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
DU you mean like this which somehow survived a jury?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=87581
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Stalking makes DU suck.
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Explanation: Makes no sense to me to alert on this one. It's a quote to point out an example to the person who'd preceded this post. The verbal attack is a quote from someone else's post, and I completely fail to see how this is "alert stalking".
The obnoxious post that was referenced.. THAT should have been hidden.
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malokvale77
(4,879 posts)You make us women look bad. We have enough problems without this shit.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Seriously? Saying being nasty isn't necessary and that there are ways to fight back without sinking to that level "makes us women look bad"?
That is " shit" that makes "us women look bad"?
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)There is nasty and there is stupid. And there is smart.
Pick where you want to go.
I've been around a long time and I don't see what you are doing as helpful.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)consider calling someone on their nastiness hideable yet say nothing about the nastiness. This is very odd to me. Very odd.
Saying what he wrote was bad is worse than what he wrote, according to you. Pointing out extreme rudeness is a bigger crime than the extreme rudeness itself.
Yup, still seems very odd to me.
I am very amused at being considered as representing "us women". Neato!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)It's the Clinton way.
(or deceive as someone on another thread mentioned).
840high
(17,196 posts)she can get away with constant lying? Does she think we are that stupid?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)and doing everything within their power to keep the true People's Candidate from getting much exposure(also for obvious reasons).
The American People are in deep doo-doo and many don't even realize it - and then you have the ones that don't care, it's all good as long as they've got their nut.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)and are 100% COrrect!!!
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:41 PM - Edit history (1)
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)which shows she has no regard for the intellect of the voting public.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)When the Brought and Sold MSM does the job of fooling the masses at the bequest of Many Benjamin's -- #FoodForThought
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But she knows enough people ARE that stupid.
7962
(11,841 posts)Lies during the Arkansas period, the 92 campaign, all thru the 2 terms, etc etc.
Not to mention all the OTHER coverups that, when mentioned, gets you a hide
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
monmouth4
(9,709 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)A Place Where Folks Can Be Heard, and Others Can Watch What They Don't Like to Hear/Read. Sometimes FB can be a great place to hangout every one in a while. -- Independent Underground
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)of Her Highness Hill the First? After all, she is our first per-ordained queen? People better watch what they say, or they may be classified as enemy combatants, and be tortured and killed after the rot in Guantanamo.
(sarcasm intended)
haikugal
(6,476 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)No Fucking THANKS...
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Of Sorts..... Then and again.....
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)America she was insulting you. We are not that dumb.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I'm unsurprised that she's using his rags in the campaign
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)GETPLANING
(846 posts)Someone needs to remind her of that inconvenient fact.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)She's so unethical. I don't have any respect for her. NONE.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
retrowire
(10,345 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)We know where her priorities are.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Jarqui
(10,129 posts)If you want four more years of her lyin' and flip-floppin', go to her donate page ... if your wallet is thick enough to make a dent in the pile of Wall Street corporate dough they've got piled up there.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)My opinion of her just dropped a point. I'm surprised...really. I thought she would stay straight.
midnight
(26,624 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... lecturing us that government sponsored health care simply won't work?
War mongering and now lying about the benefits of health care reform (after her plan failed)...
How GOP of her! Is she gonna bring up death panels next or just stick with the "we're broke!" lie.
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Where one calls out the obvious..... if that makes sense. And other places, one can call out the obvious all day, every day. -- Independent Underground
Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #51)
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LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)But just to let you know, saying you will not blindly check the box for whomever is the Democratic Nominee and nothing else, got a Long-Term former Member of this site Banned for Life.
Manny being kicked is DU's loss, not Manny's
That's the way it rolls in certain places and just wanted to be sure you know.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Newscorp donated to The Foundation:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/17/the-fox-news-connection-to-clinton-foundation-d/203674
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/11/rupert-murdoch-hillary-clinton-and-politics-2016.html
From Australian Financial Review (not sure if this is considered a RW source or not on DU).
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/james-murdoch-edges-closer-to-hillary-clinton-20151201-gld21u
The Center for a New American Security said on Tuesday that the 21st Century Fox chief executive would help provide "oversight and set CNAS' strategic direction" for the foreign policy organisation.
Fleas, thick as thieves, everywhere.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)mind and run as an Independent...He would gain millions of followers and then tell DWS could go________________
At this point he could do that and be a real challenge to both parties
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)On Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Is it possibe,since all of this BS happen for Bernie Sanders to change his
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CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)~ Hillary Clinton
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)don't support her.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Whether they would ever acknowledge it is another story.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Her Rethuglican tactics.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And everyone ignored what Bernie said about a tax increase to pay for it, BUT that no one would have to pay premiums for insurance or copays and deductibles that are unaffordable, saving companies and individuals money. No one was listening....but I sure heard it, and it makes total sense. I cannot imagine the amount of money that we pay out of pocket as a nation.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)She's going down. Hopefully before the general. She's toxic waste.
We either rebuild with Bernie, or we have full on revolution.
AllyCat
(16,211 posts)Just doing what they do.
leftupnorth
(886 posts)I can't say that I'm surprised.