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From twitter new NBC Iowa and NH numbers (Original Post) Robbins Dec 2015 OP
Bernie will win both Iowa and NH by at least 5 pts ... ThePhilosopher04 Dec 2015 #1
Nice polling numbers today. pa28 Dec 2015 #2
Bernie ahead in Iowa? Beautiful! Punkingal Dec 2015 #3
I believe that Bernie's ground game is starting to have a real impact. wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #4
The crazy thing is... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #15
Groovy! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #5
Link? Thanks. n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #6
+1 HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #12
I asked because I could not find any news of it in the usual places one finds such things. n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #14
Yeah I've been looking too and haven't come up with anything HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #17
The question becomes at what point an alert becomes appropriate. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #20
So far the only evidence I've seen that these numbers might be true HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #22
Yikes, ok checked and double checked. I take back my previous post. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #24
Agreed. I'm going to alert and point to this post if you don't mind. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #25
Probably for the best HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #27
GTFO HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Dec 2015 #8
was this why the DNC "left the data door open" awake Dec 2015 #9
yes Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #23
Everyone understands that is true CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #31
Following the exact trajectory of 2008. Exact. CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #10
Great post, Coffeecat! in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #18
Whoah! Hot Damn! Bernie Takes Lead in Iowa! Divernan Dec 2015 #11
FanFreakin'Tastic!!! in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #13
K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #16
I could only find this bit of positive news ejbr Dec 2015 #19
the trend is your friend! ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #26
Where is the source for this poll? drowefnp Dec 2015 #28
i got this from graphic from NBC this has been posted on both twitter and tumblr Robbins Dec 2015 #29
Can you link to it? HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #30
Sounds like you need to provide a link Android3.14 Dec 2015 #32
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #33
 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
1. Bernie will win both Iowa and NH by at least 5 pts ...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:01 PM
Dec 2015

Toto is about to pull the curtain back. Get ready.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
4. I believe that Bernie's ground game is starting to have a real impact.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:15 PM
Dec 2015

Look for his numbers to continue to move up.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. The crazy thing is...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

...his ground game hasn't even really gotten into full swing. It's just barely starting.

The best is yet to come, for sure. Early January will be when the full brunt of the ground game happens.

I think the HNC's unfair treatment of Bernie--blocking his access to the voter lists--really ticked off a lot of Iowans.

I also think his rallies have been convincing a lot of people. I posted Bernie's rally numbers vs Clinton's, and she barely gets 200-300 people at her events, and he's consistently getting around 1,500, sometimes more. One rally in Dubuque had 2,000.

What blows me away, is that the Sanders campaign has not reached full peak in Iowa. Iowans are paying attention, but they are not fully engaged yet. That happens after the holidays and during the last month before the Feb 1 caucus. So, look out! The best is yet to come. I predict that his crowd sizes explode.

We have to continue working hard. Really hard!!!! Take nothing for granted, but this looks so promising for Sanders. Giddy!!!

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
21. So far the only evidence I've seen that these numbers might be true
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015

Is that while the 41/40 split is reminiscent of another NBC Iowa poll taken in September, I don't see any similar NH numbers from them.

Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #20)

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
24. Yikes, ok checked and double checked. I take back my previous post.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:02 PM
Dec 2015

The numbers posted in the OP are identical to NBC polls taken in September in both Iowa and NH. Found them in the HuffPost Pollster. While it's possible they've been repeated, I think it's more likely the OP misread something and these numbers are actually from September.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
25. Agreed. I'm going to alert and point to this post if you don't mind.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:04 PM
Dec 2015

Hopefully I don't get a shutout 0-7 jury, that'd suck.

I just don't think it's productive to keep this thread around with certainly untrue information.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
7. GTFO
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

I read the Iowa numbers as Hillary 41, Bernie 40 and almost had a heart attack. Then I reread them and !!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all I can say. HOLY COW

Response to Robbins (Original post)

awake

(3,226 posts)
9. was this why the DNC "left the data door open"
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:49 PM
Dec 2015

so DWS could Shut off Bernie's data, not thinking that he would have the balls to sue?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
31. Everyone understands that is true
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:36 PM
Dec 2015

We all know who they players are here, and what they're all about.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
10. Following the exact trajectory of 2008. Exact.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:55 PM
Dec 2015

I have been saying this since the summer. The dynamics are exactly like they were in 2008. Hillary "the inevitable" running against and underdog.

I knew when I saw Bernie's large crowds throughout Iowa, in the summer, that he was going to follow Obama's Iowa trajectory and end up winning the Iowa caucuses.

I was mocked by Hillary supporters. They laughed at me and used this guy a lot --->

I was repeatedly told, "Sanders is not Obama!!!!" when I tried to point out the similarities in the candidate's trajectories. Furthermore, I know the Iowa electorate. Hillary made a horrible impression here in 2008. You can't plant questions in a town-hall and come away unscathed. You can't run only on inevitability and media favoritism in this state. It just does not work. You can't come in third in our caucuses in 2008, leave the state and talk smack about our caucus system.

I am not surprised by these numbers.

Look at Bernie's crowd numbers vs Hillary's in Iowa, during the first two weeks of December. I think her campaign is really struggling in Iowa.

Bernie
2000 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Dubuque, Iowa (12/12) Overflow crowd Source: Radio Iowa
1500 attendees--Sanders Town Meeting in Waterloo, Iowa (12/12) Standing-room only. Source: Waterloo Courier
1125 attendees--Sanders Town Hall in Mt. Vernon, Iowa (12/13)

Clinton
200 attendees--"Fighting for Us" Town Hall in Ft. Dodge, Iowa (12/4) Source: ABC News
350 attendees--"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Waterloo, Iowa (12/9) Source: Waterloo Courier
250 attendees_"Fighting For Us" Town Hall in Urbandale Iowa (12/9) Source: Radio Iowa

I don't think there is a lot of enthusiasm here for Hillary. At the end of the day, you have to be authentic in Iowa. She just doesn't come off that way. We all see the media blackout on Bernie and the favoritism toward Clinton. It didn't work though.

I also think that what the HNC did to Bernie (blocking him from his own data), and the Clinton attacks on Bernie, have soured Iowans. So has the media favoritism.

I look back at Obama's numbers--and the first time he numbers surpassed Hillary was November 14, 2007. ABC/Washington Post poll. Obama by 4. Six weeks before the Iowa caucuses, exactly where we are today.

This is such awesome news. I'm so excited. We still have a lot of work to do. So much work. Anything could happen, but this gives me hope. Sanders started out at .8 percent in Iowa and Hillary was at 60.

So proud of my fellow Iowans for really thinking this through and looking beyond "inevitability", the talking points and the corporate media.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
18. Great post, Coffeecat!
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:13 PM
Dec 2015

This country also loves the underdog....especially since our corrupt CORPORATE OWNED MSM has a Bernie Blackout. The 1% thinks the 99% is too stupid to notice what they're doing to try to stop Bernie.

They're going to pay for their corruption.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
13. FanFreakin'Tastic!!!
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

That's just going to continue going up. CORRUPT CORPORATE OWNED POLLSTERS can't hide the truth forever. We go into NH and Iowa with their CORRUPT polls showing HRH ahead at a RIDICULOUS 61% (what a crock) and Bernie wins in a landslide, they will be EXPOSED AS THE FRAUDS THEY ARE.

Yeah, the Truth has to drip out now. Bernie is just too far ahead.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Thanks for posting this, Robbins!

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
19. I could only find this bit of positive news
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

Tuesday, December 22, 2015

Clinton Loses Ground in Democratic Primary Race

Following Saturday night's debate, the race between the top two contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination is closer than ever, but Hillary Clinton is the heavy favorite among voters who are already certain of their vote in 2016.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey - taken on the two nights after the debate - finds that 46% of Likely Democratic Voters would vote for Clinton if the Democratic presidential primary were held in their state today. Thirty percent (30%) would opt for Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, while seven percent (7%) prefer former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley. Nine percent (9%) like some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/clinton_loses_ground_in_democratic_primary_race

drowefnp

(28 posts)
28. Where is the source for this poll?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:15 PM
Dec 2015

This poll does not appear to be a current, up-to-date poll. I cannot find it anywhere for today
Please post a source link. Otherwise please state the date for this poll which is certainly misleading if it is not a new poll.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
29. i got this from graphic from NBC this has been posted on both twitter and tumblr
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:38 PM
Dec 2015

I defently didn't make it up.

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