Bernie Sanders
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(24,324 posts)Nyan
(1,192 posts)Bernie: "By getting more votes."
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)*bows head*
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Gonna have to use that.
Bern against the machine!
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SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)I also believe that if he doesn't get the nom, we will lose about 1/3 of Dem voters for many cycles to come. With all the enthusiasm he gets if the establishment/corporate candidate wins, people will give up and figure what's the point.
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ErikJ
(6,335 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Or that they're an Oligarchy taking money out of the hands of the middle class and stuffing their own pockets with it?
Or are they the 1% who run the banks and Wall Street?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)like the unions lobbying for XL pipeline and auto-workers lobbying for big gas guzzlers.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Although they're fighting for jobs, not to line their pockets. There is a distinction. They would fight just as hard for environmentally friendly jobs if those were what the workers had.
They can't exactly fight against their members' jobs and leave people jobless can they?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)The AWU fought tooth and nail in the past to not raise miles per gallon legislation. Especially their bought off Dem senator in Michigan. Cant remember his name now. He died last yr I believe.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)which is one reason the Clintons decided to go with Wall St $ rather than others. Bill knew the unions were dying so had to find new $ source and Wall St was what the 3rd way thought was most benign source.
... you are suggesting those who plunder citizens hard earned savings, retirement plans, and who foreclosed on millions of peoples homes are a more benign choice? That is third way?
Happy people, secure in their homes filled with their own earned posessions are far more likely to creatively solve the problems caused by the greedy coal, oil, and gas bosses than people who have had everyting conned from them by crooked bankers, traders, hedge-funders who have paid off crooked politicians to keep the game rigged against the voting populace...
Of course that's just my opinion.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)And we need a PUBLIC state bank in each state like N. Dakota. Or maybe a national public bank. And the Fed should be nationalized.
If the biggest banks are too big to fail, then they need to be broken up to prevent another trillion $ public bailout like in the 2008 TARP.
And u'r right about a large middle class being comfortable enough with enough time to tinker in their garages which has been a huge source of innovation in America.
So Bernie is right about trying to break them up but it will be a tough one even for him.
DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)... bankers have done everything they can to keep the workers down and their monstrous, predatory institutions need to be broken up. Criminal bankers should go to jail, not be appointed positions in the fed.
People like Hillary, who support these folks as they get wealthier by tacking fee after fee on low-balance($) customers then come tell me how hard they are fighting for me, really make me sick.
So Hillary makes about $4000./minute if her "speeches" are an hour at $250K. Yeah, I guess I can see why she thinks people unfortunate enough not to have bank accounts should have to pony up almost an hour's pay at minimum wage just to have the priviledge of getting paid for a day's work... or to have to work over half a day to cover one accidental overdraft fee of $35. per... The eggregious examples go on from there. Yeah, she's fighting for the little guy!
It's time to put campaign finance in the hands of the public and to impose regulations on broadcasters to limit what they charge for political advertising, thereby decreasing the funding needs of campaigns so they can get back to solving our problems.
Those two steps would be significant as a first move in taking the power back from the media and the banks who profit as a result of a rigged system while us citizens simply struggle to stay alive...
airplaneman
(1,240 posts)I never realized how bad it was until I discovered Ellen Brown a proponent for public banks.
I knew about banks gouging customers but I was unaware that private banks have taken over the supply of the money of this entire country and use that advantage for themselves mainly.
If you have not already check her do it here:
http://ellenbrown.com/
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airplaneman
(1,240 posts)Are you aware of Ellen Brown a proponent of public banks.
Check her out here if you have not.
http://ellenbrown.com/
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Wow. What a ringing endorsement.
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smokey nj
(43,853 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I assume he aligns with the good ones.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)you know, the working class. their money represents the working class. super pac money from the banks and corporations represent the greed that is taking down this country - it is blood money, actually.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)a universal ban on superpacs in elections, I'd be happy.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)yes the unions would probably be prohibited too.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Wake up, people!
azmom
(5,208 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)People need to know that certain politicians are bought.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, SHRED.
antigop
(12,778 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)So similar to FDR.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)Senator Sanders claims that Super PACs buy elections, that he will make Citizens United a litmus test for his Supreme Court nominees, and yet he says that he will take a knife into an advertising gunfight.
Either advertising works, or it doesn't. Which is it?
Seven of the richest ad campaigns in history-- combined --totaled 93.6 million in television and other advertising dollars, and that's from heavy hitters like Honda, Pepsi and Chrysler. Republicans are said to be pouring $2 billion plus into the 2016 election.
At this point, though, even the Koch brothers seem to be backing off their initial proposed budget of $889 million dollars for 2016. I believe this is because they can sense that Secretary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite. That is especially true if her running mate turns out to be Secretary Julian Castro. Such a combination would be the kind of dream ticket that could beat any possible Republican configuration, including Zombie Reagan and Baby Jesus.
If, on the other hand, Senator Sanders somehow wins the nomination, then the Koch brothers and the rest of the GOP sharks will smell blood and spend as much as a billion dollars on TV, radio and internet advertising just in Florida and Ohio. And according to Senator Sanders' own logic and rhetoric that would spell his doom. Because advertising works. Why else would anyone care about Citizens United?
That's why Secretary Clinton's plan of action, more nuanced and much smarter, is to use the weapon that the GOP created to beat them, then disarm it.