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Related: About this forumWho's Spoiling Now? Polling Indicates That Democrats Underrate Sanders' Electability at Their Peril
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-hager/whos-spoiling-now-polling_b_8792692.htmlThis article looks at polling data from the point of view of an Independent plurality which favors Bernie Sanders by 36% over Clinton, making him in turn a likely winner against any Republican, while leaving Clinton only a toss-up chance in November. It is risky for a party that shares only 30% of the electorate to ignore the decisive role that Independents play in choosing Presidents. The Democratic Party's own shrinking base gives it features of a third party in need of coalition with the larger "party" of Independents that Bernie Sanders brings to the table.
Meanwhile, due to their partisan resistance to understanding President Obama's deepest flaws, Democrats fundamentally misunderstand what the rest of the country seeks in a 2016 candidate. Polls show misinformed Democrats failing to form a coalition for these reasons.
This article warns that Democratic voters flirt at their peril with using their control over primaries at the front end of a defective run-off process to deny victory in November to the nation's preferred choice, Sanders. Democrats thereby play a similar role today that they labeled "spoiler" in the past when they complained that a third party denied victory to the nation's preferred choice, thereby allowing the reviled minority candidate Bush II to take power and inflict permanent damage on the country.
To win in 2016, Democratic primary voters need to vote strategically, based upon reliable information, in favor of the alliance with Independents that Sanders offers them. This alliance would join voters across the line now separating those who accept systemic political corruption as a lesser evil than electing a Republican, on one side, and a growing majority that does not, on the other.
The polls' most optimistic message can be summarized in the mathematics of the Democratic primary. With 30 percent of the electorate expected to vote 2:1 for Clinton, Democrats provide Sanders half the votes he needs to win the primary. But since he leads Clinton by 36% among Independents, who are 43% of the electorate, he can gain another 14% if his Independent supporters will only deign to contaminate themselves by participating in the primary of the Democrats they otherwise disdain. This would deliver Sanders a 24-20% victory over Clinton in the primary. If he wins the primary, again with the support of Independents, Sanders is a slam dunk to win the general election against any Republican. This would change the Democratic Party as we know it to be, a network for corruption.
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Who's Spoiling Now? Polling Indicates That Democrats Underrate Sanders' Electability at Their Peril (Original Post)
eridani
Jan 2016
OP
The big unknown is turnout. Bernie has a history of bringing people to polls
thereismore
Jan 2016
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Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)1. Kick! nt
daleanime
(17,796 posts)2. K&R.....
[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie!
Bookmarking...thank you, eridani.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)5. A long, outstanding and deeply profound read, bookmarking.
Thanks for the thread, eridani.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)6. K&R nt
Yallow
(1,926 posts)7. I Thought Helping Wall Street Crooks Was Great For Our Party
And our country.
Where do you think all that $$ comes from.
Super duper pacs.
Dark money.
Secret money.
Corruption money.
Feel the Bern, or watch America crumble (more).
We elect Bernie, and no one will say "they are all the same" ever again.....
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)8. Kicked and recommended to the Max!
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)9. Been posted in primary yet?
I just really hope Clinton supporters see this and take it to heart. At least I hope they're not so much in the bubble they can realize the strength and security in the general election that independents can bring.
I am an independent and it's BERNIE that's bringing me into the party, not Hillary.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)10. The big unknown is turnout. Bernie has a history of bringing people to polls
who do not normally vote. His door-to-door campaign should not be underestimated.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)11. Clinton nomination = total Repuke control of everything
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)12. It's Science! :)
Can not resist.