Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders asks supporters to join protest against Scott Walker in Burlington
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Scott Walker made his name busting unions, cutting health care, and gutting funding for public education, the statement said.
Scott Walkers brand of divide-and-conquer politics has no place in Burlington the city that sparked out political revolution by election Bernie Sanders as mayor in 1981, it added. Can you join us in Burlington tomorrow to protest Scott Walkers event?
During his 2016 campaign for president, Sanders railed against Walkers positions on corporate spending in politics, unions, education and abortion.
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I think its going to be a fairly large crowd. My guess is that it will rival the number of people inside the event you know hes a pretty polarizing force, Howard said. I think its fair to say that every union in the Vermont labor movement is participating in some way.
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https://vtdigger.org/2019/05/29/bernie-sanders-asks-supporters-join-protest-scott-walker-burlington/
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)By Xander Landen
May 8 2019
Democrats have blasted Scott for agreeing to attend the fundraiser with the former governor, whose politics lean far to the right of the moderate Republican governor.
https://vtdigger.org/2019/05/08/scott-faces-criticism-for-appearing-with-scott-walker-at-gop-event/
Better late than never.
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)asked their supporters to protest along side the unions?
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rpannier
(24,333 posts)Be interested if there is any response
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)It's a shame that VT re-elected the Republican governor who is hosting Walker. The governor refused to consider a paid family leave proposal, vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, and contracted with for-profit prisons to send VT's incarcerated to a Mississippi hellhole to work off their sentences.
If only we had someone to do outreach in VT to do what it takes to put a Democrat in the state house.
Somebody with local influence would be ideal, but it takes very hard work mostly done with the TV cameras off. That takes true commitment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ideals and traditions to action? Before they just disappear? Apparently that governor has been posing as a moderate Repub but will be showing up to glad-hand Walker...
'I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat' ~ Bernie Sanders
We know. More Vermont liberals perhaps need to lose their complacency and start protecting what they thought they had. And take a good look at their state party leadership.
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)is no, I take it.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #8)
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)I dont know whether any other politician is promoting his or her presidential ambitions by inviting rally-goers to protests organized by others. Frankly, I doubt it, even though it will generate publicity.
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)I also believe it adds strength to the protests as their numbers swell.
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)Will BS's unionized campaign workers be marching?
I applaud their step in trying to put an end to the predatory culture that marked BS's previous campaign.
Unionizing to protect current workers from the discrimination, harassment, and sexual violence experienced by women who worked for him last time around may have been unprecedented, but it was necessary.
Thank goodness for whistle blowers, and thank goodness for unions that shield employees from workplace abuse!
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)and only one candidate encourages their supporters to protest along with the workers.
If every candidate did it, there would be no appropriation.
2. The problems of sexual harassment is not "unprecedented" nor exclusively tied to Bernie's 2016 campaign or even just Presidential campaigns period.
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Welcome to campaigning in the #MeToo era. In 2016, Donald Trumps presidential hopes were nearly derailed by a video in which he bragged about sexually assaulting womenand by accusations from more than 20 women that Trump had indeed engaged in sexual misconduct. Since then, dozens of politicians from both parties have faced allegations related to their own actions or their failure to adequately address misconduct by members of their staff.
A number of the Democrats seeking to take on Trump have dealt with controversies. A female aide in Gillibrands Senate office accused the senators team of ignoring her allegations about a senior staffers unwelcome advances. Sen. Kamala Harris weathered criticism after it was revealed that California had settled a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against a longtime staffer who worked for Harris in the state attorney generals office and the US Senate. Sanders, meanwhile, has been plagued by complaints that his 2016 campaign failed to adequately address staffers reports of workplace misconduct. And just last week, Lucy Flores accused former Vice President Joe Biden of inappropriately touching her shoulders, smelling her hair, and kissing the back of her head at a campaign event during Flores 2014 run for lieutenant governor of Nevada.
Stung by the negative headlines, and facing pressure from Democratic activists and womens groups, the 2020 campaigns say theyre taking unprecedented steps to establish safe working environments in the notoriously chaotic world of electoral politics. Mother Jones reached out to 12 Democratic campaigns to ask about the issue; five of them provided at least some details about their efforts to prevent misconduct. While the end result of these practices is yet to be seen, operatives say theyre optimistic that a new approach has emergedone that will help ensure the values spelled out in candidates platforms will also be reflected in their own organizations.
A presidential campaign is a veritable HR nightmare. The successful nominee will flip from a dozen-person startup to a billion-dollar corporation operating in all 50 states in less than a year, a timeline that outpaces even the most ambitious Silicon Valley ventures. That rapid growth is largely predicated on hiring a workforce so young that it collectively can barely drink, let alone rent a car. Issues that arise span from the mundanelike bailing out an organizer who gets too many speeding ticketsto the grave: During President Barack Obamas 2012 reelection bid, a staffer collapsed and died at the Chicago headquarters.
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/04/metoo-2020-biden-harris-gillibrand-sanders-booker/
This is a good read on the subject.
Kudos to the whistle blowers.
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)is indeed unprecedented and horrifying as well. It's denial to think otherwise.
Isolated incidences of sexual harassment in various workplaces is not the same thing as an organization fueled by a pervasive, predatory culture that enabled sexual discrimination, sexual harassment, and sexual violence. Claiming "I was too busy to notice" just makes it worse.
Insincerity is not a necessary condition for appropriation. (Only if statements are tricky for some.)
There are plenty of sincere privileged people sincere in their belief that they are sincerely entitled to take, take over, or encroach upon what is not theirs because their intentions are sincere, and "Hey, it's ME!"
Hopefully what was meant to be a union protest will not be overshadowed by unfortunate grandstanding that detracts from the original purpose. Actual union leaders and members should take the lead, rather than career politicians/management. It's about Them, not HIM.
to take (something) for one's own use, typically without the owner's or originator's permission.
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)to believe that sexual harassment was exclusive to Bernie's 2016 campaign.
The article I just supplied to you is a balanced argument against your narrow supposition and no campaign to date has went further to protect and reward its' workers than Bernie's.
Sexual harassment is an institutional malady and a much more common problem than you want to want to believe, or at least willing to admit.
As I stated if every candidate running for President were to ask their supporters to join the protest lines in support of the workers, none of them could appropriate anything whether real or symbolic.
If you have any evidence of a union or protesting workers having objection to Bernie's supporters swelling their numbers and strengthening their movement on the picket line please present it because on every occasion that I have seen, this not being the first, the protesters are quite happy about it.
Bernie is not taking anything that he hasn't already argued for over 30 years, his actions are merely matching his words.
Your argument is illogical.
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)and a pervasive predatory culture of this scale is unprecedented.
Two dozen whistle blowers finally went to the press to have the problem addressed in the fear that it would happen again in 2020. Campaign workers unionized to ensure legal protections.
Time will tell whether or not and the degree to which the moment and the message are co-opted in the pursuit of personal ambition.
As for my argument being illogical, study up on necessary and sufficient conditions, equivocation, and the fallacy of negative proof, and then get back to me. All three logical flaws appear in your two most recent responses.
A trifecta!
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)or do you have a problem just because Bernie is the one doing it?
When working-class Wisconsinites took to the streets in February of 2011, as part of what would become a historic mass mobilization against the anti-labor policies of Governor Scott Walker, they had with little support from national political figures. Republicans were with Walker and Democrats, shaken by the partys dismal showing in the 2010 midterm elections and the rise of the right-wing Tea Party movement, were even more cautious than usual.
But Bernie Sanders spoke up. On Wisconsin! declared the senator from Vermont, who immediately identified Walkers assault on public employees and their unions as part of the concerted attack on the middle class and working families of this country by the very wealthiest people in America.
These guys want to return us to the 1920s when working people had virtually no rights to organize or to earn a decent living, explained Sanders, who argued that There are a lot of folks out there who say, It doesnt impact me, Im not a union guy, Im not a teacher, Im not a civil servant. Let me tell you how it does matter to you. Wages are going down in this country for everybody. When you destroy unions there will be no standard at all, nobody left to negotiate decent jobs for the middle class.
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This year, as a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, he has supported critical strikes (such as the walkout by 1,700 members of United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America union locals at the sprawling Wabtec locomotive plant in Erie, Pennsylvania), appeared before mass rallies of workers as not as a candidate for president but as somebody who has spent the last 40 years of his life walking the picket lines for unionized workers (as he did in March with members of the University Professional and Technical Employees [CWA] and AFSCME on the University of CaliforniaLos Angeles campus) and welcomed unionization of his campaign staff (by United Food and Commercial Workers Local 400, in a first for a presidential contender).
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https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-labor-union-speech-2020/
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Its not uncommon for a presidential candidate to get out on a picket line to show support for workers. Julián Castro, another Democratic presidential hopeful, rallied with the California workers on Thursday. And when grocery store employees went on strike in New England, several candidates either visited pickets or gave speeches to the crowds.
But its far more novel to use a campaigns infrastructure in an effort to help workers in a dispute with their boss. Fervent Sanders supporters point to this type of maneuver when they claim they are trying to build a movement, not just a candidacy.
Its not unlike what another Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.), did earlier this week, when her campaign sent out email blasts to supporters and raised $160,000 for abortion rights after Alabama passed legislation aimed at effectively barring the practice.
The Sanders camps collaboration with California strikers was apparently weeks in the making. The candidate delivered a speech to some of the workers during an earlier one-day strike in March. The campaign told representatives from the union to keep in touch and let them know if they could help further.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign-strike-picket-lines_n_5cdecf96e4b09e057802f44c
The premise of your argument that protesting or striking workers would not welcome additional political support to their cause is illogical at best if not ridiculous.
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)The correlative sufficient condition statement would be:
If you'd rather do a syllogism, you can articulate the sufficient condition as
If you're a visual learner, you might want to use a Venn diagram.
No I do not see that sufficient condition in the text you quoted.
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Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Bernie is sincere as his long history and actions are a testament to.
You can't appropriate that which you already stand for.
Now if Trump were to try it, this would be appropriation because he obviously by his actions does not care about labor.
I suspect because of your enmity toward Bernie, you simply don't want to or can't see it and any positive action by him, you view through the most negative prism.
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lapucelle
(18,305 posts)The appropriation I originally referred to (and explicitly articulated) was of the event itself, not the issue.
I respect the work horse much more so than the show horse. Keep your head down, do the hard work, engage in quiet, consistent service whether or not anyone is watching. Win or lose, do it graciously.
That is the prism through which I evaluate candidates for high office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Walker is totally anti-labor and he's coming to Bernie's home state.
It would almost be malpractice for Bernie; to not support the protesters for which he has spent his entire political career supporting.
Bernie is doing the hard work and he has most definitely been a work horse for over 30 years, not just during election seasons but throughout his career.
It's just bringing more attention now because it is election season but Bernie has been consistently fighting the good fight no matter the year.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Better to pretend a sincere question than to research on our own only to find out the easily-found answers do not support our narrative.
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)The post I responded to said "better late than never" of course this isn't the first time that Bernie has asked his supporters to go on the picket line with protesting/striking workers but I didn't know if other candidates had done the same.
It was just a question.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Those phrases for Walker's current activities are from a Madison, WI article. Another journal called him WI's "ill will ambassador." Apparently he's going around describing Madison as now being "left of Stalingrad" and blaming evil Madison and a marijuana measure for WI voters kicking him out of office.
Any budding fascists in the VT Republican group who invited Walker to Burlington for their big fundraising dinner will have a real treat in him. And those who want more can join Walker on a cruise around the Hawaiian islands. Events will include a karaoke night. (Tonette and I met for the first time on karaoke night at Sazs (in Milwaukee) and we love it!) Maybe Bernie will show up there too.
https://www.thebozho.com/scott-walker-hawaii-cruise-vacation/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden